@Health There is a lot of evidence that HCQ doesn’t work. There is no evidence that HCQ+Zinc works. Baruch Hashem doctors have found regimes and treatments, including the drug Remdesivir, that there are mountains of data towards their effectiveness. So much so that the US has one of the lowest rates of death for people with COVID-19 in the world.

But do you know what’s more effective? Not getting it in the first place! Dying is only the worst thing that can happen to a person, but there are still other bad things that can happen. Many individuals with COVID-19 still experience horrific symptoms, some that last for months or are even permanent.

Even though US doctors have become experts at staving off people from dying of COVID-19, the US still has one of the worst death rates in the world because so many people have got the virus. And hospitals are still full of not-dead people too sick to breath on their own.

@Health

I haven’t seen any Medical Evidence that HCQ + Zinc doesn’t work for Covid19, when started within a Few Days.

I haven’t seen any evidence that rubbing raw beets between your toes doesn’t work for Covid19 when started within a Few Days.

I use OpenDNS and it allows VPN (Baruch Hashem, otherwise I would have been out of work for the last six months!). You may be able to get an exception if you call the company. Also, some filters allow a lot of customization.

When I was Color War General we used “Birchas HaBayis” by MBC. The song “Yisroel” by Suki & Ding ft. Dov Levine was originally a Camp Rayim Alma Ater song.

The makor has little to do with the minhag. The Shaarei Teshuva mentions (I think Misha Berura chelek gimmel) that the Ari Z”L’s son went to the kever RASHBI on Lab B’Omer to give his son his first haircut.

Somehow that turned into “No haircuts until three then a big party”.

@syag-lchochma Baruch Hashem you are right. But my gut tells me that someone who ignores a positive test result is the same type of person who will walk around town without a mask on and maybe visit Bubbie and Zaydie.

The reason that things are what they are now and not like they were in March, is precisely because people are being careful.

Conversely, there are also a lot of false-negatives. You may be exposing and killing people left and right for NO REASON!.

Look, I believe in institutional racism because studies and evidence support its existence. If you don’t believe in it, may I suggest an experiment? Invent a black name, like, I dunno, Lamar Washington. Build up a fake resume that involves going to a historically black college and living in a black community. Make up a similar resume with the exact same specialties but a white name and background. Send them around and see what the results are.

@catchyourself I meant people <i>disagreeing</i> with you, sorry. First off, ignore @Joseph. She’s a troll who gets her jollies by saying extreme things than calling everyone who disagrees with her a koifer.

With that out of the way, what I’m trying to say is that I’m just irritated and offended by those people who claim that racism isn’t a problem and black Americans can just pull themselves up by their bootstraps or something. On the other hand, if there’s an issue in a frum community, these same people will often be the first to blame it on anti-Semitism. Du ken nischt getantzen en tzvei chasunas. Either racism and anti-Semitism exist in the US and are problems, or they don’t.

What’s with NY not wearing masks anymore anyway? Did not enough people die the first time around we have to go for round 2?

No

I am always surprised at how little frum people know about abortion in halacha and haskafa. Everyone kind of gravitates towards the right-wing Xtian approach of widespread banning and arresting people for murder. If there’s one thing I don’t like about Ben Shapiro and his media network, it’s their unwavering dogmatic positions on abortion.

In reality, it’s actually a very complex issue and not as clear-cut as the media likes to portray it. I’m certainly not qualified to speak on it, but I suggest you read up on some teshuvos and speak to your Rov. Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT”L, for one, stated that it’s similar to murder, but we should not oppose government efforts to legalize it because it needs to be available for women that truly need it.

For context, last year, there were two extreme abortion measures up for review, one in New York and one in Alabama. Both got a ton of press. The NY law referred to it as a choice and would have allowed women to choose even during labor. The AL law referred to it as murder and it would be considered a crime even when the fetus was little more than a bundle of cells. The Agudah protested both and used almost identical language in each.

@ubiquitin I think this is one of the threads where our “Ignore @Joseph” rule should go into effect.

@rightwriter What you are doing right now is what is called in debate and philosophy as “Moving the Goalposts”. You were backed up against a wall with your claims about Bill Gates when myself and many other posters repeatedly addressed and debunked. So you ignore the debunking, pretend it never happened, and move on to discussing Plandemic.

Take three to ten steps back and address our comments about how predictions about pandemics are nothing new, and how epidemiologists have been warning us about this for decades because it was likely to happen and did. Then you can move on to another topic.

This is stupid. This thread is full of people of average intelligence who recognize the danger of COVID-19 fighting with people who wouldn’t change their opinion if the Riboino Shel Oilom literally told them otherwise that are currently creating a danger for all of us trying to stay healthy. Just drop it and ignore the tinfoil hat trolls.

@rightwriter I’m still not sure why you haven’t responded to the myriad of comments addressing your claims that Gates and Fauci had some knowledge of COVID-19 before it happened.

To address your comment, China messed up. They do things like this all the time, there’s a danger in China, they pretend that the danger isn’t a big deal, people speak out against Beijing for minimizing the danger, those people disappear. Only in this case the danger ended up being towards the whole world and they were not able to cover up in time. Journalists and doctors were killed or jailed, but the virus was so disastrous that people heard anyway. Had they not covered it up, people would have known immediately that China made a Big Mistake. Instead, it took a couple of weeks.

Almost all these viruses come out of China over the years whether lab created or not, and they never reacted in the manner that they have with this one which indicates something.

What does it indicate exactly? You’re not a medical professional, virologist, or epidemiologist and neither am I. So neither of us can say what it indicates, we can only report what the experts are saying. And right now the experts are saying it’s a natural virus.

@rightwriter

Now all you’re saying is “I have no evidence that my theory is correct, but I will still stand by it because, uh, because!” Not only are you quietly agreeing with me, but you’re also stating that you are admittedly wrong but will still continue to be wrong.

Im not understanding your moshul since noone is denying/disputing the cause of illness (for the most part).

The moshol is in regards to the virus’s origin. Why bother looking into artificial origins when the region of COVID-19’s origin is ripe with virus carrying exotic animals that are hunted in unsafe fashions which caused several previous pandemics of very similar diseases?

And again “bioweapon conspiracy”, not such a conspiracy since countries do work on bioweapons .

(This is something that was actually written online on an anti-Semitic website) Israeli works on nuclear weapons. Therefore the 2011 Fukushima Daiichi Disaster was because Israel nuked it. That’s the same logic you are using. There’s no causation. Heck, there isn’t even correlation.

more likely it slipped out of a lab or was injected into animals and then sold to markets.

See, here you go again. “More likely”. You are sounding very much like you’ve convinced yourself of a specific narrative and are spinning a yarn based on the assumption that your narrative is true. The more likely scenario is that exotic animals were handled in an unsafe manner causing the virus to jump to humans. You know, like what happened multiple times before on smaller scales.

Im not asking anyone to take my opinions without evidence.

You aren’t actually stating opinions. “China is a bad country” that’s an opinion, “China created coronavirus” that’s a fact. A fact without evidence, hence it’s just a waste of electrons.

it likely is based on the nature of this virus and China’s attempts at hiding it from the world and misleading everyone with intentional misinformation.

China dropped the ball on handling the initial outbreak. They tried to cover it up and are covering up their incompetence. Hanlon’s Razor: Never attribute to malice what could be attributed to incompetence.

You are all forgetting the original header here, “Event 201”, led by Bill Gates and crew who have been speaking for years about depopulation, depopulation through vaccines, prepared this event 1month before it broke out in China

We aren’t forgetting it, @ubiquitin has been mentioning it on every thread. The Gates Foundation has been working with diseases, pandemics, parasites, vaccinations, and malnutrition for decades. They hold events like this all the time. The “coincidence” is just research. The most likely vector for a pandemic was from China so they focused study on that.

Fauci’s warning in 2017 about a pandemic in Trump’s term

This has been addressed multiple times already. Pandemics happen every couple of years. The NIH warning about a pandemic is just doing their job. GW Bush has been talking about it for even longer.

Judging by your dogwhistles (hatred against Fauci and Birx, neutral attitude towards Trump) you have an ultra-right wing agenda (which, you should know, is based on stuff written and publicized by actual Nazis. Seriously, trace back some of your sources, guaranteed it won’t take long before some discuss “the Jews” or Israel) and aren’t willing to even consider that you may be unknowingly peddling false information by various internet provocateurs.

@rightwriter Now you’re just trolling. You’re asking everyone to take your opinions on faith without evidence. The things you mention aren’t even coincidences, you’re just cherry picking facts that fit your narrative while ignoring everything else.

I heard a good moshul about the COVID-19 bioweapon conspiracy: If you find a dead body in a car that had crashed into a pole, would you check to see if they died of a lightning strike? In other words, there’s a very solid very reasonable origin theory for COVID-19 that virtually every scientist accepts. Why invent conspiracies that contradict it?

@rightwriter : Funny, you call yourself “not a conspiracy theorist” and your post has the air of someone “just asking questions” but as soon as someone points out factual errors in your comments, you double down on these beliefs that you claim you’re unsure about.

Pompeo claimed he had “enormous evidence” which he failed to provide. He very quickly backtracked and repeated that US intelligence has no evidence it was man made. So yes, I stand by my statement. Why aren’t you willing to repeat the line I gave you? Just one comment, saying this: “At the time I wrote my original comment, not one lab nor organization of note has found evidence that COVID-19 is man made”. It would be a good baseline to continue this discussion. If you cannot concede that point, we will have no choice but to conclude that you are merely trolling and not interested in anything that disagrees with your per-concieved notions based on utter narischkeit.

My wife certainly prefers it!

So @ubiquitin, since we are literally the only two people commenting on this thread, how are things by you?

The problem with “Just asking question” illustrated with examples
from actual social media threads I found online (and one or two I made up based on stuff I’ve heard)

• Does anyone else think the Holocaust was an inside job?
• Why do we still follow the rulings of chauvinist Rabbis who knew nothing about women’s anatomy?
• How do Orthodox Jews make a living if they don’t work?
• Was the Holocaust and other anti semantic events bloated to create pity?
• Do Jews dominate in American media?
• Why is there one historical event that can get you jail time if you question its authenticity?
• Why does the Talmud say that non Jews are cattle?
• Why are Orthodox Jewish women so oppressed?
• Where did the mystical number 6 million come from?
• Is Coronavirus any worse than the seasonal flu?

As an aside, no one has yet to produce this fantastical psak by Rav Moshe Feinstein via Rav Moshe Sherer. I would assume it would be more well known as it directly contradicts Rav Moshe’s famous letter to a doctor (אגרות משה חלק ט) that his children published where he clearly states that he doesn’t have the expertise but his son-in-law does.

I can’t speak for everyone, but we are personally finding it frustrating with even three devices. Speaking to the school and teachers is pointless, as the schools are struggling too and are having a lot of difficulty adapting to the new situation.

Although kosher phones are important blah blah blah, they are also rather overpriced and may be out of range for many people (except in Israel where they are dirt cheap). If a kosher phone isn’t an option because of cost, drugstores and supermarkets sell really cheap phones with just voice and text and a pay-as-you-go plan that usually end up costing bupkis, certainly less than you would otherwise spend on a kosher phone.

@commonsaychel My mistake! He’s often referred to as “Rabbi Doctor” and Rav Moshe ZT”L deferred to him on this shayloh, so I always assumed he was an MD.

Yesterday, April 21st 2020, marks the day when the conversation on the malaria drug peters out. There have already been several studies showing that it’s no more effective than a placebo. Fox News and other conservative media have started mentioning its ineffectiveness and stopped touting it as a cure-all. I’m willing to bet that Trump will no longer mention it unprompted.

That’s a silly way of looking at things.

This is like last year when a group of Rabbonim incorrectly stated in public that measles wasn’t a danger and schools must allow unvaccinated children in. A large group of doctors respectfully corrected their mistakes in order to reverse that machla. They weren’t disparaging da’as Torah nor being mevatel kavod haTorah then and this doctor isn’t doing it now.