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I am not unconvinced that most of the posters on CR are not robots to begin with.
We should listen to Rav Yaakov Horowitz and all the other Rabbonim trying to educate the frum oilom on the very real dangers of abuse. There’s literally nothing more to add.
Forget mandates, VAERS, transmission rates, death rates, co-morbidity, Democrats, Republicans, and all the other buzzwords being thrown at us. There’s a simple solution to all of this: as your doctor.
Most of you have a primary care doctor. One that you’re had since before COVID that you go to when you’re sick. Or even a pediatrician when your kids are sick. Or even a specialist who you go to for some specific thing. Ask him or her if you should get yourself, and/or your kids, vaccinated. That’s all!
When was the last time you paid cash for anything besides a babysitter?
Zoom use during lockdown varied wildly. Some Rosh Yeshivos embraced it. Some discouraged it. Some switched “sides” in the middle. Many places worked really hard to make sure there was some form of video conferencing available to talmidim/talmidos that didn’t require a household internet connection.
You can get email services through a kosher provider without full internet access that allow people to send you audio and video. So there’s no excuse for a Yeshiva to shut down teachers sending videos specifically “because internet” while still relying on email for everything else.
Some Yeshiva systems did amazing, some… not so much. One place I’m familiar with set up an awful phone conferencing system after a few weeks with zero guidance or help to Rebbeim and teachers on the best way to use it then said “good enough” and that’s what they used for the months of lockdown (and the following year when lots of kids and teachers were out for days or even weeks). The administration cared more about avoiding the Internet by all means necessary than they did about having a functional distance chinuch system in place. Like teachers were emailing videos out, but the hanhallah shut them down. To their credit, they did listen to parent complaints (which there were a LOT of) and did change things a little here and a little there to make things more tolerable.
Yes but also no.
In a perfect world, everyone would only be speaking Lashon HaKodesh, getting all their education from frum teachers in Yeshivos and Bais Yaakovs, and working with only frum people. But despite our best efforts, we cannot be completely secluded from outside influences. Even these Jewish magazines that decry goyishe “culture” so much are heavily based on similar secular publications.
So while I absolutely applaud anyone who chooses not to have non-Jewish literature in the house, I will not approve of people who criticize those that do.
Just because most of the real world isn’t screaming about their mental illnesses (both real and “self-diagnosed”) 24/7 like Twitter doesn’t mean that “Orthodox aren’t open about their diagnosis”.
Last I checked most of those looters broke and stole less than $900 which, in Los Angeles, is not a crime.
Two points:
A. We need Congress to stop holding by that 1980s fear of nuclear power and build more nuclear power plants. They are cleaner to run and produce far more electricity than coal or oil. But since the big anti-nuclear campaigns of the last century (most of which are unfounded) caused the US to all but stop building and improving on them.
B. What’s the worst that can happen? Electric cars become cheaper? I would absolutely buy an electric car, presuming it can fit my needs and is a comparable price to a non-electric one. How often are you driving more than 300 miles a day anyway? Just a decade ago people were saying the same about hybrids and now look! Almost every car on the market (including vans) is a hybrid!
@commonsaychel No I don’t know what @syag-lchochma means and since neither of you posted any examples at all I’m further confused by this whole conversation. What sort of nonchalant take on frumkeit do these certain posters have? And what sort of approach towards masks do they have that makes it a matter of pure faith?
Health “Your posts are getting more and more incoherent”
Also Health “Preload to Communism” “Marshal Law Rule”
Anyhoo where was I? Oh yeah! Raitzing on and trolling by getting in the mud and wrestling a chazer!
You DemocRATS are all the Same!
“He wanted to demand an investigation”. Yes by Protesting that the Man from Delaware Is In the White House!
The End of Democracy Happened When People Like You Liberals Made Sure that the President who was Mandated by HEaven to be Precedent Wouldn’t Be Prezident!
You WANTED Biden To Rule!
You People Dont Like Trump!
@always_ask_questions I’m pretty sure that if the US would have had a 90-95% vaccination rate, masks would only provide a tiny bit more of protection. But people are refusing to vaccinate, so we need mask mandates to increase that protection. But the people who don’t vaccinate don’t mask nor test nor socially distant either, so we’re back to square nothing.
If you don’t want to engage, that’s fine don’t engage. But you are engaging and you still haven’t answered the question!
For the record, I think masks on planes is kind of dumb too. But I’m not going to protest if I take a flight and they make me wear one. It’s really not that nearly as big of a deal as your making it out to be (fake new of an old man not being able to breathe on Yom Kippur nonwithstanding).
@Health What a typical democRAT thing to say!
Biden didn’t stage a PROTEST. TRUMP did! Did you think that he would let your party of LIARS take over the White House?!
Who was at the protest?
watch the whole 4 hour video by the guy who did the thing on that website
It wasn’t BIDEN protesting and it wasn’t a RIOT that’s the lie that they are trying to make stick!
Protest!
your comunism will never win in Hashem’s UNITED STATES!
@syag-lchochma Because I thought we would have a civil conversation for once, but you went right back to the snark. Are you going to answer the question?
Dumb politicians causing damage is just how Hashem is hiding the punishment.
More Lib lies! I never meant that and you know it!
Perhaps you can explain why horn guy was seen at many Trump rallies waving pro-Trump flags BEFORE January 6th?
You should check out the uncut video of the full seven hours from the Trump speech to the Capital break-in. That proves how right I am and how much the liberals like you are lying and making stuff up.
@syag-lchochma There’s the Syag I know and love! Well, I’m glad at least this time you aren’t responding with all-caps “LIAR LIAR” when I didn’t directly quote your question word for word, I guess we’ve all matured. Let’s pretend I have a bad memory. Can you copy and paste the answer you gave to the following question “What examples are there of the very same people who question and dismiss away many aspects of judaism are willing to accept all covid facts with blind faith?”
I’m agreeing with @always_ask_questions over here. Masking is a very basic measure that has been proven to be extremely effective against COVID, even in the absence of a vaccine. So are vaccinations. The current opposition to vaccines and masking is nothing short of childish. The current dangerous claim is that single girls who get vaccinated won’t have children. In a year when that’s proved to be more nonsense you and the others will move on to another, equally ridiculous, lie.
And on a similar note, although many of these people that seem to be cheering on COVID claim that many doctors are against vaccinations, at no point have I heard of any of these people asking their local physician that they always go to if they should get vaccinated and wear a mask. It’s always some random guy on the Internet with a PhD in paleontology or something.
@syag-lchochma You never answered the question. What have people said that makes them skeptical of Yiddishkeit while taking COVID by faith alone?
@orangecountychapper That’s true, it’s all about what passengers want, what shareholders want, and whether they could be liable if someone gets sick on a plane.Well, he’s half right…
(If anyone is thinking I’m serious, I’m just raitzing Health on using his own lashoinois.
@syag-lchochma The last time we engaged, I brought up a (seemingly exaggerated if not completely made up) story that someone posted and all you could do is scream in all caps that I’m a liar over and over again because (let me see here…) I said “was choking” when the original post was “couldn’t breathe”.
So by all means stop. Because if that’s what you consider “discussing”, I would hate to see what you consider arguing.
Anyhoo, enough about myself. You said that there are people who take COVID on faith while denying Yiddishkeit. I wanted to know specifics. That’s all.
If I recall correctly, much of the early COVID pandemic response was based on the last major outbreak of SARS in 2004 which originated from Wuhan and spread to American via air travelers. The “six feet” rule was based on the fact that all the passengers who were infected on the plane were within six feet of someone with SARS.
@ujm It’s a simple fact. If you support slavery as it was (and still is) practiced in almost every culture except Yiddishkeit, you are against the Torah.
Conspiracy theory I believe?
Jeffery Epstein was either murdered, or pressured into committing suicide and it was covered up by several high ranking government officials.
What a load of Lib!
Do you think Trump was just going to let Biden waltz into the White House on January Sixth?
Antifa is an invention of Communists. There are Communists (Soviets) and Fascists (Nazis). Those opposed to the Nazis are the Antifa. It’s Stalin and Hitler but I choose Hashem.
“the Demoncrat Leadership was very Scared ” Because you conned them with your Liberal Lies!
” I didn’t fall & a few Cons also didn’t fall.” So you admit that your just another lying liberal con artist!
@syag-lchochma Nobody appreciates snark. You made a very controversial and antagonistic statement. What do you have to back it up other than “read your old comments”? What forms of Yiddishkeit did people ignore while believing something COVID related on blind faith alone?
More Liberal lies from the king of Liberal lies (you)!
Antifa running the protest was a false flag fake news by Bernie Sanders supporting Liberals like you just outed yourself to be! It was organized and run by a majority of Trump supporters, the videos back it up!
The guy with the horns isn’t even named Angeli, his name is Jacob Chansley!
When will you stop and wake up?!
@charliehall Hear hear.
@syag-lchochma Can you give some examples of people dismissing aspects of Judaism while accepting COVID facts on blind faith?@Gadolhatorah I was making the bad life decision of frequenting conspiracy sites when the whole Pizzagate zach was starting to brew. It was completely insane. There was a leak of emails from Clinton’s campaign manager, John Podesta. A bunch of nutsos (most of whom were also openly anti-Semitic) sifted through them and dug up the most random things as “proof” that there’s a child kidnapping ring centered around a DC pizza shop. The proof was things like an email saying “Hey did you leave a handkerchief with a pizza and map design over at my place?” or real smoking gun that said “I had fun playing dominoes at your house, maybe next time we’ll serve pasta instead of a cheese board”. They then did the whole crazy person thing of putting a bunch of pictures on a board and connecting them with read lines. The emails referenced a certain DC restaurant, so they went into its Instagram and found such damning things like a picture of a walk in freezer, a little girl playing with masking tape, and conflicting statements as to (gasp!) whether the store had a basement.
I’m not even exaggerating, you can look it up yourself (because there’s no way YWN would approve a link to those sites). That’s literally the “proof” needed for a guy to walk in to a pizza shop and hold the staff at gunpoint. I couldn’t even make this stuff up if I tried.
Then they got bored of harassing random restaurateurs and moved on to Q Anon which is a whole nother ball game…
@commonsaychel See what I mean? What’s with all the hate? You hated masks before the vaccine, now with the vaccine you hate them just as much if not more! Do I “love my mask”? No. I found it uncomfortable. But I wore it because I cared about the people around me. But I didn’t hate it like you do for whatever reason you decide today. (government overreach? lack of oxygen? my body my choice?)
The reason we were able to go to shul and school at all in 2020 without the constant fear of getting sick is because of masks. The reason we don’t have to be makpid on masks so much any more is because of vaccines. The reason COVID isn’t as dangerous as it was a year and a half ago is because of the combination of vaccines and people using seichel to be careful about COVID (quarantines, testing, masks, etc. etc. etc.). Then you have your crowd who just wants to throw it all out and pretend that COVID just magically went away all on its own.
But since neither masks nor vaccines are even close to 100% effective, in some places (especially with a lot of people in close proximity for a long period of time) it’s preferable to take every precaution. And if someone is asking me to take extra COVID precautions on their property (i.e. an airplane) I see no reason to hate on it. For that matter, if anyone is asking for people to be extra cautious, there’s no reason to be so against it.
@Health Your Liberal agenda is leaking. It’s the Liberals, like yourself, who want us to all believe that anti-Semitism isn’t a thing and never existed. That anyone who ever hated Jews was just “anti-Zionist” or some sort of mishegas. Go read some real history, and by that I mean the thing you Libs all hate, the Torah. That Eisav Soneh Yaakov!
@smerel @Always_Ask_Questions Nu nu, so some of the Founding Father’s were ohavei Yisroel. Doesn’t change the fact that their vision of what the USA should be was that there should not be a single unchanging vision. So what they would or would not think of the US today is irrelevant. @ujm seems even more detached from reality than usual.
PETA stands for being against cruelty to animals, which is something I like. But in this day and age, almost every civilized person is against pointless cruelty to animals. So PETA has to take things a step further. They are against farming, eating meat, pets, and treat animals like they are on equal footing to humans. All of those things are against the Torah.
That the Jews run all of politics from secret back room meetings and control all the money in the world. Nu? Where’s my chelek?
@always_ask_questions The reason we don’t have to cancel Bar Mitzvahs nor skip another game is because of the success of vaccines. Before vaccines, we were able to almost be back to normal with regular masking and social distancing policies. So masks and vaccines are a small price to pay for returning to normal.
You’re logical fallacy is that you’re equating all the anti-COVID measures as equal. So being locked down and having shuls and schools closed to you is as bad as keeping a piece of paper on your face. Fakhert. We kept masks on so that our shuls and schools can be open with only a small fear of spreading COVID. Now Hashem gave us an even better weapon to fight it, the vaccines. Which allows us to open shuls where wearing masks isn’t necessary.
The fact that so many people are still vehemently opposed to even the smallest things that could prevent COVID shows that perhaps we haven’t learned the lesson Hashem is trying to teach us.
@HaLeivi The plan was always to head to the Capital. He even mentioned it a few times in the speech at the White House to the assembled crowd. Pretty much everyone expected a “large scale trespass”, but I’m not sure if anyone expected several people (including police officers) to die from it.
I’m not sure whether it’s right or wrong to still mandate masking on planes if there are already vaccine and PCR test mandates.
But I’m always flabbergasted at the sheer adversity so many people have to wearing masks. Just keep the piece of paper on your face for a few hours, it’s not difficult, a 5 year old can do it. Like this is the hill you chose to literally die on?
The issue with Trump’s incitement, as I see it, was that he stood in front of the rioters knowing that they will march on the Capitol and start a fight. He stood there and encouraged them to “go fight”, even if he meekly said “peacefully” once or twice.
Bernie never told a crowd ready to riot that they need to “take care of those Republicans” or whatever.
@Health Do you think that the concept of slavery as it existed in the US 200 years ago resembles our concept of Eved C’na’ani?
And I would be absolutely shocked if the Founding Fathers weren’t all anti-Semites as most goyim of their time were.
My point is, can we stop treating the image of the USA as the Founding Fathers envisioned it as some sort of gospel that can be no wrong? Especially since they explicitly added in provisions to drastically change things if need be.
@Health Yeah, George Washington is probably rolling in his grave at the total lack of slaves and the fact that Jews can be part of the government.
I get annoyed when I read articles about people making a fuss about their city only putting up goyishe decorations and not menorahs. It’s a chillul Hashem, in my opinion. No one looks at a man in a yarmulka standing up at a public meeting in the city hall of a place with 0.0001% Jews complaining about their decorations and thinks anything good.
@Gadolhadorah It’s just one simin. Kind of like if you see a beheima without split hooves you would know for certain it’s not kosher.
The Uncle Moishy machlokes was resolved by compromise. Mr. Tanenbaum can continue to perform and put out albums under the name “Uncle Moishy” and Suki & Ding can continue to produce albums and shows under the name “The New Uncle Moishy”.
If SCOTUS decides to overturn RvW, we had better daven for an extremely socialist government to support all those thousands of new babies so that they don’t get killed by their mothers, nor grow up to be violent criminals.
If you want a real head scratcher, take this one out for a spin (it was an issue some 20 years ago). The Rama says that to see if a bird is not kosher, put it on a wire. If it puts two “toes” on one side and two on the other, it’s not kosher. Apparently, modern chickens are bred to be so fat that they stick two toes behind them for extra balance.
@philosopher Tens of thousands of scientists and doctors are saying that it’s far better to take the vaccine than to risk getting COVID. A couple are saying it’s not. For some reason you’re listening to the minority of the minority.
There are a great many scientists and doctors who have come out against the so-called covid-19 vaccines, against the wearing of masks
No. There aren’t.
That’s quite literally a Modest Proposal.
I think only women should be posting here as men shouldn’t have a say as to what is and what isn’t tzniyus as long as it’s within Shulchan Aruch bounds.