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“Would you describe R’ Herschel Shachter as Modern Orthodox? ” Yes, I would. He, BTW is a member of the RZA. He, along with R’ Willig would be considered (if the MO had ones like the Yeshivish) the MO Pope. Here is where you are getting things wrong, you see a Rav, who is respected and doesn’t “compromise” (whatever that means) and by default that means he must not be MO. Your mention of kiddush with single boys and girls is funny, because I don’t remember who said it, but one of the YU Roshei Yeshiva said that all weddings, even separate, should have a mixed table for the singles to meet.
It is one thing to discuss and debate, but when you state
“when we say “Modern Orthodox” we do not mean “Contemporary Orthodox”. Rather, we are referring to a branch of “Orthodoxy” that compromises on Halacha.”
and
“And Modern Orthodoxy compromises on Halacha.”
it just shows what agenda you have and how biased you are against people that don’t follow your thinking. If anything, one can arguable state that it is the yeshivish people who compromise on halacha.
“when we say “Modern Orthodox” we do not mean “Contemporary Orthodox”. Rather, we are referring to a branch of “Orthodoxy” that compromises on Halacha.”
So R’ Shachter, R’ Willig, etc. compromise on halacha? You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Why, WHY WHY, can’t you just realize that there are different ways, and not everybody follows your way.
intellegent, with all due respect to R’ Miller, his views on Zionism are not sole view allowed.
As an interesting point, why is it that on YWN, you find a disporportionate number of his followers than in the real world?
intellegent, that’s not how you cite a source.
If that were the case, the Zohar supposedly says lots of things. I have a spam folder full of emails that supposedly come from the zohar or someother holy man/book.
brooklyn19, yes, I am aware that the reform movement was before WWII. That doesn’t change one thing I wrote.
yros, source please.
That’s a load of hogwash. The Arabs have been killing the Jews for centuries. Quit reading Miller and Artscroll history of Zionism. The Arabs have been killing us long before Zionism.
Why is this a “very big day?”
brooklyn19, you are incorrect that all Jews were ultra before the haskalah. One of the unfortunate results of the Holocaust is that the major surviving “minhag” of Europe is based on Hungarian practices. Most Jews before the war were in no way shape or form Ultra.
R’ Moshe and Cholov Yisrael was not a b’dieved. It was a l’chatchila. Get over it.
I salute you! (Joseph, firstly I would imagine hakoras hatov to him, and to your country allows it. Secondly, he’s in the Air Force, not the Army or Marines. His pikuach nefesh would be hurting his nails on a nail clipper while cutting his nails sitting at his desk waiting for an orderly to bring him coffee. 🙂 )
Canon Powershot A570IS. It’s good enough for the basic user, and powerful enough if you want to play around with things. It’s not as skinny as their other model which is popular, but you pay more for a thinner (and less feature packed camera) camera.
“That is also true. The reason is because that is the Mesorah which we have recieved from R’ Shach, The Chazon Ish, The Chofetz Chaim, Rabbeinu Yitzchok Elchanan, R’ Akiva Eiger, The Noda B’yehuda, The Vilna Goan etc. etc.”
1) Why does the mesorah only start a few hundred years ago?
2) All/many/most of those you mention had a job. Is that now not part of the Yeshivish mesorah?
3) I would not include the Vilna Gaon. He was FOR secular learning.
4) One can very arguably make the statement that the Torah True Jews in the time of the Mikdash would be considered MO today. In addition, one can arguable state that the Rambam (and most likely most other Rishonim) would be considered MO.
5) The ones who changed mesorah can arguable be defined as Yeshivish and not the other way around.
It’s irrelevant if the “gedolim” approved of it or not. Their past actions of signing things without doing due diligence and then not being held responsible for their actions has caused most people to ignore their statements. If I were them, I would not ban this one. It will not go over well at all. Last I heard they still did not make restitution as they PROMISED in their letter. This time, I would not be surprised if legal action was taken against those that sign. I know I would.
intellegent,
Why does being yeshivish make someone more frum than someone MO? They are different hashkafos. We don’t have to go through the game of counting things in Shulchan Aruch that each side ignores. Being frum has nothing to do with Yeshivish or MO. You can be a frum MO and you can be a Yeshivishe apikores.
If it was good enough for the Vilna Gaon, it should be good enough for us. He wrote that there is no Torah knowledge without general knowledge because you can’t understand the Torah without knowing general knowledge. He had his talmid translate Euclid into Hebrew. He wrote that if you are deficient in general knowledge, you WILL be deficient in Torah as well.
Pointless in that if that is all a person has, then what is the point. Nothing is going to happen. (I’m not sure if he wrote that, but he did basically say that that is not what bitachon is.)
Jewish men have been wearing rings for centuries. Mordechai quickly comes to mind.
Rings weren’t just for decoration, they served a purpose as well.
1) Bitachon without hishtadlus is pointless. The Chazon Ish wrote that.
2) Men have been wearing rings for centuries.
3) IIRC, if a woman always wears her ring, she does not need to take it off to wash, but of course it would have to be removed for mikvah.
Keep in mind that the Shach writes that in order to be machmir, you need a heter.
To paraphrase, “Who the heck are you to decide that the halacha is too lenient and you’re better and you need to be machmir.” The halacha is the halacha, why the need to be machmir.
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Shindy,
True. It is the most wonderful time of the year.
That’s because we’re all kofrim. Woe onto us for not understanding such a holy and divine minhag that came down from Sinai to Moses. Nobody drove cars in the midbar and nobody drove cars during the times of the Rishonim, but woe unto us that the generations have sunk so low that we are now driving cars.
mariner, for the record “in nyc alone you have brooklyn, hunter, baruch, john jay, queens, and lehman…” I don’t think any of those colleges are community colleges, the one doubt I have is Lehman.
People need to learn responsibility. All these constant takanahs are taking away personal choice.
Furthermore, if the rabbonim were serious about this, they would follow it as well.
The World Agudah movement voted in favor of the Peel Commission’s plan to partition Palestine. To say that THE gedolim were against the state is not true. There were many who were in favor, and that was even before the war. After the war, is a whole other ball game.
Many people have a problem with this tznius asifas because that is all they are hearing. It is as if tznius is the only problem the yeshivishe velt faces today, and if the women would just burka-up everything would be hunky-dory.
Perhaps it’s time to focus on the men for a change.
Matisyohu28,
1) Are you a college graduate?
2) Odds are she’s going to a local NYC college. That’s probably the best thing for an OTD kid to do. At least she’ll have something to focus on.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.