Hey I didn’t google it! I was there! 😛 LOL

Jothat: yes, verification may be voluntary, but as you said, if they don’t get verified, they won’t be taken (as) seriously. Typically consequences lessen the voluntary aspect … Just saying

mazal tov to my cousin on his passing the bar exam!

hey! no eating people! it’s not nice! (sorry that was bad, i know)

AMES!!! what a nice surprise having you back! so far that is two old timers back from when i first joined! please stay?

thank you coffee addict. you are right but i wonder what made you think that?

Emunas itecha: not a problem 🙂 I am still learning how to express myself properly

i think i wasn’t clear …

what i was trying to say was that now that such pain had to have been gone through, why have them re-live it? wouldn’t you say that once is enough?

72? you are still here? cool!

Mod 42: I would like to disagree with you on your point. Those people who believe he is moshiach are not mekabel that he passed away. As such, if he has not passed away yet then he could still be moshiach without him being held in greater esteem than his predecessors.

having a successor or not has to do with being stuck with the title. not 100% sure as to why they were thinking he was moshiach from that far back. i would have to re-look up my sources.

Second youngest. Being that (supposedly) bunches of people (both lurkers and posters) know me from before already, it isn’t like I am hiding anything from anyone. Besides I am a big boy and can take care of myself already.

The term nassi was used to refer to the baal shem tov, the magid, and the alter rebbe. I believe it was because the alter rebbe was referred to as nassi that the later rebbes got the title also. It has nothing to do with moshiach.

Toi and jothar: I am sorry that I don’t sit in the cr 24/7 and as such can’t respond immediately to tainos and what not. I will bli neder respond tonight after I finish work.

Or that the mods are all american …

Why not speak to some hatzoloh members and see if they have any ideas?

😀 ish zuber 😀

1 In essence yes but in reality no. If people would seriously put out a concentrated effort it could be taken care of. People would rather just say ach they are crazy and get away with doing nothing. You still will have those people that seriously mentally snapped when the rebbe passed away.

2 Oh that. It wasn’t to kick anyone out, it was to decide who was in charge or rather if there was an official person who had a say over 770. It was renewed and the gaboim/rabonim won. Why they won’t/don’t kick the tzfati out I don’t know. Very likely because they don’t want to cause more problems than they already have.

To address the point brought up about the rebbe saying about himself that he was moshiach, show me in a sicha or maamer where he says that and not what a mishechist says as they tend to like twisting things to fit to their ideology. That goes for the definitions of non yechiniks too.

Toi: look at the sichos from hey teves and then try saying what you did. Typical? Maybe but all the rebbes in lubavitch vehemently opposed out and out fighting and machlokes. This goes back as far as the first lubavitcher rebbe, the baal hatanya, and I believe it was the Groh ZYA. Chabad.org in my opinion runs with the theory of everybody is a lubavitcher yechinik they just don’t know it yet. It is not run or filtered by the rabonim. Therefore I would not use them as an information source for these things. See? Don’t argue and jump without knowing all areas. You are dead scared what could be legit and who is a bunch of crazies? Even according to the rambam who says that it is possible for moshiach to be someone in the generation who passed, it is a shver tzad and I believe a daas yochid. If you are referring to the yechiniks then I agree they are primarily just a bunch of crazies though there are those that may say yechi but don’t go spouting nonsense all day but instead are actually quite informative in legitimate matters and know what they are talking about.

Itche: 1. It is very possible there where those in his time who felt the frierdikker rebbe was moshiach but it was with a proper and soundly based mind. When he passed, these people realized (albeit with great disappointment (who wouldn’t be?) That he wasn’t moshiach and moved on. 2. Since when was there even a court case? I never heard of it but even say there was (which it is possible knowing some of the er fierce activists), the tzfatim aren’t an organized group that you can say they aren’t allowed in 770 as there is no leader of the tzfatim who tells them what to do (they obviously don’t follow the rabbanim). Either way I don’t see how something like this can be brought to beis din much less a secular court. On what legal grounds are you kicking the tzfatim out (not that I would mind though I would much rather they be willing to actually listen properly to logic instead of blindly following an ideology. Though it isn’t really my place to bash them as I don’t know enough to hold my own against the truly knowledgeable ones and chazal say dah mah shetashuv l’apikores not to actually say it as it is more for your own good to know that you could refute them)

PBA: mass pike? were you in boston?

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gefen: it was there … now the posts are out of order so i guess they got fixed (yc’s last post is after mine which it shouldn’t be) LOL

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oh. k. no harm received 🙂 i am just like that, getting foncused about whether there was supposed to be a response 🙂

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A birth! Mazal tov! Whatrutalkingabt: may you be zoche to be megadel her to torah, chupah, and maasim tovim!

Gumball: I didn’t forget you, I posted on your thread 🙂

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Jothar: if you knew anything about chassidus in general you wouldn’t have said what you did about the living with the rebbe column.

Toi: how many lubavitchers do you know to qualify your statement? The majority of lubavitchers I know are non yechi. The rebbe ZY”A was very against outward fighting and preferred settling things peacefully. What those lubavitchers against the wackjobs do, is to work even harder to show what is a proper lubavitcher. Is it fair that the non wackjobs have to work so hard? No but the rebbe never liked it and were he alive today still wouldn’t like it. Therefore, the lubavitchers continue to follow the rebbe’s will even after death. Actually, yechi started when the rebbe first fell ill so if the rebbe were alive and well today the problem wouldn’t exist.

Itche: yes you have real lubavitch gezhe in the CR though as stated in my first post I do not like flaunting my yichus or anything like it. IF they are questions to benefit the rabim and not just questions to prove which side of an argument that people shouldn’t be a part of is right, then go ahead and ask.

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very intriguing how matters seemed to get discussed here as if people know what they are talking about rather than just spouting worthless cliches. this will hopefully be the first and last time i will be pulling yichus in the CR (or anywhere for that matter). my father is an eighth generation lubavitcher and my paternal ancestors were very big in lubavitch (my father’s father was asked to be the rosh hayeshivah of 770 both by the sixth and seventh lubavitcher rebbe, his father was the chief rabbi of switzerland during the war and served in more than one place as dayan in europe itself, need i go on?). to set the record straight, there are those lubavitchers from tzfat that are “normal” (non yechi) too. one can not make a generalization about the lubavitchers without being (very) wrong. if people would actually research lubavitch and what it really was, they wouldn’t be saying a lot of what they do. granted, some chassidim are misguided but that is not the fault of lubavitch. people have got to make that distinction and stop blaming the chassidus rather than the person’s choice. as to those groups in lubavitch people have a problem with (elokistim, boreinuniks, real yechiniks) i would like to break it to you that they do NOT represent chabad in any form or fashion so stop saying lubavitchers are crazy etc, lubavithcers aren’t crazy, these people are misguided.

*end rant*

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Adorable: you don’t remember our discussion where you said I should send the regards? Of course I said his real name lol! I have known CA from when he was in the mesivta with my brother. No, rabbi willhelm did not ask where I saw him last.

😀 Zuberman! 😀

Oh and no it isn’t totally random as I have done work in many fields (as mentioned including music) so who knows?

😀 Zuberman! 😀