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Talking about names: How about one of the Great Baaley Mussar Reb Simcha Zissel! (The Alter of Kelm)

I would like to make a comment from the viewpoint of someone a little older Who no longer has sons in camp, but was in Camp, and was an ORIGINAL SEED!(1974)

When my chevra went to SEED we went to the exotic land of Winnipeg Canada. The main purpose of our being there was to expose the Jewish Community to Frum people, and to Torah. We all sat in the Bais Medrash all day, learning with anyone who wanted. We learned with Children, teen agers and adults. There were classes for women classes given by the “yoshvey Rosh” (Both are today Maggidey Shiur,one of whom is also a well known Rov) or by their wives. There was no running around, galavanting! (Other than a couple of trips taken by the chevra, together, with permission from the “hanhalla”) We went to another sity the next year, where the schedule was the same. There was a great purpose in what we did and we did accomplish. Please do not denigrate the SEED programs!

As far as Counsellors in Camp. I spent a summer in an Agudah camp. Reb Yaakov visited and spoke about the importane of camp, because of the frum atmosphere and it is a place where the chaverim are all frum. When a counsellor asked him afterwards if Camp is so important then maybe everyone should leave yeshiva to go to Camp. Reb Yaakov answered him that every boy, in every yeshiva must discuss this with his rosh Yeshivah. Each boy and each case needs their own Psak.

Generalities do not work. Yes camp is very important, Yes The best boys should be counsellors, but that is only WITH the guidance of his rebbe!