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JosephParticipant
He is explaining why their wives wore tichels, but their daughters, with their blessings, wore shaitels.
Neither the quote I cited nor other parts of his comment(s) seem to demonstrate that such blessings were given. They seem to assume that such blessings were given merely based on the claim (even if we assume accurately) that the daughters wore wigs-only.
Their daughter-in-laws would be a better example than their daughters, since the daughters likely would’ve switched to their new husband’s minhag. (Even regarding DILs, we should really see something more than an assumption it was done with the father’s blessing.)
JosephParticipantThe Chofetz Chaim dressed very simply, like an average Yid. Even his hat was a common one.
That said, there are different derechs in this regard. You wouldn’t expect, or likely accept, if the King dressed like an average Dave.
JosephParticipantWolf: Everyone knows the real experts are in the CR.
November 19, 2017 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm in reply to: Proper etiquette for bochor speaking to girl’s parents #1405841JosephParticipantiac: Thanks for clarifying. Your thought is that the bochor should make the brochos loud enough for the parents to respond Amein, but not very loud. Correct?
JosephParticipantYou guys won’t be the first transatlantic couple.
JosephParticipant“How is he dismissing the way they conducted themselves?”
My understanding of his comment (correct me if I’m mistaken) is that since Rav SZ and Rav Elyashiv were from the long ago Yishuv haYashan Perushim of Yerushlayim where all women went covered as per the no longer relevant minhag and tekanahs from those long ago times. And way back then that was still the overall custom that we have long since discarded.
My objection is the assumption that the minhagim Yisroel from the Yishuv haYashan Perushim of Yerushlayim, who were not that long ago and whom everyone reading this lived in the times of people from the Yishuv (like Rav Elyashiv), are irrelevant and no longer binding practice on those from those communities and communities with similar minhagim.
JosephParticipantLB: If you didn’t know that Elizabeth was married, who’d you think is Charles’ father?
JosephParticipantDiana will never become the Queen that Camilla will become. This is poetic justice given Diana’s sin. The vain Diana wanted nothing more than to become a Queen. Even after Charles divorced her she was still kvetching to the media that she still wanted to become Queen.
Now Camilla is, of course, no better than Diana and deserves the queenhood no more than Diana. She committed the same sin and they are two peas in a pod. But the reason to take pleasure in the fact that Camilla will become Queen where Diana will never get that title she desperately wanted, is the comparative public perception and reaction to these two trollops. While the public scorned Camilla, they worshipped Diana. And what they get is a crushed Diana and a Queen Camilla.
November 19, 2017 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm in reply to: Does “Chasidish” refer to both Satmar and Lubavitch? #1405792JosephParticipantI’ve heard left us used for many tzaddikim but never heard a reluctance to use zt’l.
November 19, 2017 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm in reply to: Proper etiquette for bochor speaking to girl’s parents #1405785JosephParticipantIsn’t it proper, anytime not just while dating, to say your brochos loud so that others can say Amein?
JosephParticipant“It’s worthy to note, that both Rav SZ and Rav Elyashiv were from the Yishuv haYashan Perushim of Yerushlayim where all women went covered as per minhag and tekanah. I am sure that was still the overall custom at the times they got married.”
Why is that reason to write off and dismiss how RYSE and RSZA conducted themselves?
JosephParticipantWolf: We disagree about the likelihood of Camilla officially and publicly using her title of Queen.
JosephParticipantShopping, change a few slight details and you’ll be fine sharing them.
JosephParticipantYou and oyyoyyoy.
JosephParticipantiac: Succession is set by law, and the law is jointly set to be the same by the legislatures of all Commonwealth nations. They’d all have to jointly legislate any change to make any adjustments. And the reigning monarch has no say in who succeeds him/her.
November 19, 2017 8:51 am at 8:51 am in reply to: Does “Chasidish” refer to both Satmar and Lubavitch? #1405559JosephParticipantThe four Chasiduses started by the Talmidei HaMaggid were Lubavitch, Stolin, Berditchiv and Cherenobyl.
JosephParticipantIt would not surprise me in the the least (in fact I anticipate as such) that King Charles will officially refer to his wife as Queen Camilla once he is King, despite the PR titles that were said will be used for Camilla not long after the untimely but deserved early death of the adulteress Diana occurred and emotions were still raw in the United Kingdom. The wedding announcement was a mere 8 years after Diana met her demise in a crush of metal. By time Charles ascends it’ll be more like 30 years thereafter.
Indeed, the rumblings from Buckingham Palace over the past five years has made clear that Prince Charles is making known that this will be the case.
JosephParticipantCTL, absolutely incorrect.
Camilla WILL be Queen (unless she or Charles passes away before Queen Elizabeth). As wife of the future King, by law of both the UK and all Commonwealth nations, she is currently the Princess of Wales and will be Queen upon Charles’ ascending to the throne. Period. Whether she tells the newspapers to call her Queen or Princess of Wales or Duchess of Cornwall or HRH The Princess Consort or any of whatever the MANY titles both she and Charles have, is an irrelevant personal preference of either hers or the newspapers.
But no matter what you or others (even she!) likes or dislikes, Princess Camilla is now Camilla, Princess of Wales and will be Queen Camilla once there is a King Charles.
As far as the divorce issue, don’t forget that their zeida King Henry specifically broke the Church of England away from Roman Catholicism so that he could remain King and get divorced. So they surely have ample precedent. (And like adulteress Diana, two of his wives were beheaded for adultery, which he – like Charles – was also guilty of.)
JosephParticipantCharles, Prince of Wales, will become the next King. At that time, Camilla, currently the Princess of Wales and Prince Charles’ wife, will become Queen Camilla.
November 18, 2017 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm in reply to: Proper etiquette for bochor speaking to girl’s parents #1405467JosephParticipantThe consensus is that whether to eat or not is a matter of personal preference and either way is perfectly fine.
That having been established, the follow-up is thus:
If the bochor plans to eat or drink something, should he make the Bracha Rishona and Bracha Achrona very loud so that the father and mother can say Amen to both?
JosephParticipantSandels.
JosephParticipantThe title of King is higher than the title Queen. Thus if the Queen is the sovereign her husband isn’t entitled King (as that would imply he is of a higher position than her), but if the King is the sovereign, his wife is entitled Queen.
JosephParticipantInteresting discussion:
November 17, 2017 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm in reply to: Does “Chasidish” refer to both Satmar and Lubavitch? #1405320JosephParticipantNCB: The Geszhe Lubavitchers (old timer families originally from the alte heim) speak Yiddish at home and in Yeshiva, wear different levush and eliminate most of the secular curriculum in school.
JosephParticipantIf the school tells the rebbe working in their Yeshiva that the discount for his children is because he’s an employee, then it might be taxable under the new law. If they tell him it is because of his low income they’re discounting the tuition, it is not taxable under the new law just as when they give a low income accountant (working elsewhere) a tuition discount it isn’t taxable.
It’s all a matter of structuring it correctly to legally avoid taxes.
JosephParticipantThe proposed law doesn’t treat rebbeim who get a tuition discount any differently than poor accountants who get a tuition discount.
JosephParticipantThe yeshiva can give anyone, including rebbeim no less than working parents, a “needs based” charitable discount. It would be no different in taxation-status between a low income accountant parent or a rebbi parent.
JosephParticipantMost heimishe Yeshivas and Beis Yaakovs don’t have a fixed set amount as tuition. It is whatever tuition was negotiated with the parents. And the one’s that do have an “official” price, most parents pay less, even working parents.
November 17, 2017 10:40 am at 10:40 am in reply to: Yeshiva Boys Are Allowed To Wear Colored Shirts! #1405230JosephParticipantPrivate prep schools require uniforms too. Does anyone know why?
JosephParticipantIllegal aliens smuggle over the border.
JosephParticipantZD; So why doesn’t the hotline rabbi tell the caller he cannot answer and he must consult his local rabbi.
November 17, 2017 9:22 am at 9:22 am in reply to: Yeshiva Boys Are Allowed To Wear Colored Shirts! #1405193JosephParticipant“So, how many yeshivos have a white shirt only policy?”
From mesivta and up, the vast majority (of Chareidi) yeshivos do. How many don’t?
November 16, 2017 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm in reply to: Yeshiva Boys Are Allowed To Wear Colored Shirts! #1405022JosephParticipantiac, was that the school where you said the bochurim approached the Menahel? Perhaps the Brooklyn branch seeks a higher standard, being the frum capital of America.
November 16, 2017 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm in reply to: Yeshiva Boys Are Allowed To Wear Colored Shirts! #1404927JosephParticipantIn much of the Torah world a white shirt is as much the uniform of a Ben Torah and servant/soldier of Hashem as a black hat and jacket is. Just as every branch of the military has a uniform, every branch of Hashem’s army does. In some branches that requires a white shirt.
JosephParticipantSide C: We think every Yankel and Mara should be able to pick and choose whether they want to go with Side A or Side B. To each their own preference which they find personally preferable.
November 16, 2017 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm in reply to: Yeshiva Boys Are Allowed To Wear Colored Shirts! #1404796JosephParticipantYeshiva Chofetz Chaim allows it.
JosephParticipantfunnybone, I’m glad to hear that you discuss with your Rov your family issues concerning chinuch, Yeshiva/Beis Yaakov, Shalom Bayis, moving, tzedaka, machlokes’, etc. You say that if you disagree with his advice you tell him so. If after telling him your disagreement, he considers your point and advises you that he still believes you should do his initial advice despite your disagreement with it, what do you do?
JosephParticipantZD, how do you have “inside information”?
JosephParticipantI’m happy your shalom bayis is perfect but but how can a father not have chinuch questions or know all the answers as to what’s best in such an important and complicated area?
JosephParticipantYou feel chinuch habonim, shalom bayis and machlokes are outside the purview of one’s Rov??
JosephParticipantDo you ask your Rov what Yeshiva and Beis Yaakov to send your little (or not so little) children? Whether to take a vacation? How to handle disobedient children. Shalom Bayis questions. Where/whether to move. How much tzedaka to give. Who to give it to. How to resolve a misunderstanding/dispute with your neighbor.
Do you accept a Rov’s decision or advice as the final word?
JosephParticipantIf his Rav holds Chalav Stam is categorically assur and he’s a member of that kehila, then Chalav Stam is categorically assur for him. Full stop.
JosephParticipantubiq: You figure a range of between 4 and 24 times a year, excluding taharas hamishpacha shailos. What would you say are a handful of the typical shailos that are being asked between every two weeks to three months?
lot112: Mazal Tov and asach nachas! Aside from shidduch related shailos, how often would you guess your family consults your Rov?
JosephParticipantSome people are able to use humor in expressing profound responses to serious inquiries.
JosephParticipantHow often does an average frum family consult with their Rov for a shaila or other advice?
JosephParticipantflowers: 1) I was simply courteously doing what golfer requested I do by asking 2) You’re incorrect in any event.
November 15, 2017 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm in reply to: Proper etiquette for bochor speaking to girl’s parents #1404288JosephParticipantGamanit: Which “community” is that? The community of 16th Avenue doesn’t touch the food whereas the community of 18th Avenue does eat the food? How are you differentiating “communities”? How did you determine what the community practice is? Or are you simply stating your personal preference or what you’ve seen.
JosephParticipantDoes Queens have a community of Brisker types of Yidden or BMG types, Satmar or Lubavitch Yidden?
JosephParticipantubiq, your 5 and 6 sound like rabbi/psak-shopping.
November 15, 2017 1:42 am at 1:42 am in reply to: Proper etiquette for bochor speaking to girl’s parents #1403924JosephParticipantYou speak to the parents while sitting at their dining room table with food to eat. Similar to if you were meeting a client for business at a restaurant.
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