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Sechel, are you asking ChabdShlucha to shush up from speaking the truth because, even though it is the truth as she and many or most Lubavitchers believe, that truth is scaring non-Lubavitchers from Lubavitch?

GHadorah, Reform “Judaism” agrees with you.

“in a hypothetical scenario”

I’ve often wondered why Lubavitch generally doesn’t join other segments of the Torah community when joint inter-community efforts are made on behalf of Klal Yisroel. For example, while Agudas Yisroel has Chasidish, Litvish and Sefardic Gedolei HaTorah, Lubavitch never joined. Or, alternatively, they never joined the Eidah HaChareidus. Or join other Gedolim on the Moetzes. Even ad hoc coalitions by various frum communities to jointly work towards an important goal for Yidden, whether to fight drafting girls in Israel or various communal issues or political necessities in America, Lubavitch is generally not part of even though they often include a mix of other Chasidic and Litvish rabbonim and/or askonim.

ChabadShlucha, Sechel HaYashar:

For those Lubavitchers who believe that the Rebbe is Moshiach (which we’re told are the majority of Lubavitchers), how do they envision the Rebbe coming out as Moshiach?

Will the Rebbe wake up in his Ohel and climb out of the kever, with just his own techiyas hameisim before the regular techiyas hameisim of all Yidden, and announce that he’s Moshiach?

ChabadShlucha:

So in summary…

1) You’re estimating an overwhelming majority of Lubavitchers believe the Rebbe is Moshiach (regardless of what terms you use to call anyone.)

2) Even non-meshichists believe the Rebbe is Moshiach, but the only difference they have with meshichists is that the non-meshichists don’t think non-Lubavitchers should be told to the truth that the Rebbe is Moshiach whereas the meshichists want to make sure even non-Lubavitchers are told this fact.

3) Some (but not all) non-meshichists don’t believe the Rebbe is Moshiach.

4) Nowadays there is little real ideological differences of view between meshichists and non meshichists. It’s mostly a difference in tactics of spreading the message.

Follow-up question:

What’s the deal with “Yechi…”? Who says it, who doesn’t, and what do Lubavitchers think of the Yechi issue.

ChabadShlucha:

As a self-described “avowed non-mesichist” who nevertheless you say you believe that the Lubavitcher Rebbe is Moshiach and you believe that “zt’l” should not be said when mentioning the Rebbe (for the reason that the earlier explained), how do you see yourself being different than the meshichists who you avowedly are not one of? And do you find it objectionable for others to refer to the “Rebbe zt’l” or is that only something you choose not to utter?

If so, are you trying to say that the only real difference between non-mesichists such as yourself and meshichists is which side of the 770 property dispute you believe is right — as both sides believe the Rebbe is Moshiach?

Is saying “Yechi” a dispute between the meshichists and non-meshichists?

ChabadShlucha:

One hundred and sixty nine posts later, you still have not answered what is the disagreement between the Lubavitcher “meshichists” and the Lubavitcher non-meshichists. (And what percentage of Lubavitchers are meshichists and what percent non-meshichists, in your best guess.)

ZD: The Lubavitcher Rebbe zt’l had a more positive influence on the non-frum than Satmar world while the Satmar Rebbe zt’l had a more positive influence on the frum world than Lubavitch. The Satmar Rebbe is the reason you see Yidden in America unashamedly walking in public clearly dressed Jewish. He rebuilt European Chasidus in America.

The following is only (somewhat) meant for humor.

Is a Shlucha to a Shliach the same as a Rabba is to a Rabbi?

ChabadShlucha: When do you plan on answering the questions in the very first post (the OP) of this thread?

It is derived from an anti-rabbinical agenda.

TLIK, who do you think is more qualified than one’s Rov to guide you in taking a job, moving, or college/career issues? Do you think a Rov, talmid chochom and tzaddik have no input on these issues?

Do you see getting married as a good financial decision?

Welcome back benignuman, it’s been some time.

When you speak to your Rov about the chinuch of your children, you tell your Rov about your children, what you think is the best path forward, and ask him, as a talmid chochom experienced dealing with many families and children, what additional insight he has based on his Torah knowledge and hashkafa – and whether the decision you would like to make based on the reasons you explained to him is something he agrees with, recommends a different approach or thinks that only the parent can decide in this particular instance.

Regarding other “non-halachic life questions”, other than things like what to eat for breakfast, what in life isn’t based on Halacha? Whether to take a job surely involves halachic issues, as does how to handle a misunderstanding with your neighbor. There are few serious issues that wouldn’t benefit from your Rov’s input.