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The hospitals certainly became very busy but in New York they never ran out of space and rejected patients like they did in Italy and Spain.
Chaim: Pray tell, how is Oak Park or Southfield unsafe?
Health: The ended up allowing COVID patients on the ship, even though the original plan was not to. I believe Javits all along accepted COVID patients.
Chaim: Not only is that factually inaccurate, it isn’t what I asked you. I specifically asked you about food. Not about religious necessities. Can you address my above question regarding restaurants?
Syag, Side point, question —
If all that could be done is to “just stagger the infections”, as “new cases are expected and mostly unpreventable in the LONG term”, then how is it even possible to “prevent it from spreading to the high risk population”, as you stated “there was never a possibility of making it go away by staying home”?
Amil, the city public schools were utterly unprepared to implement remote learning.
As far as the Yeshivos are concerned, they do not use remote video learning for religious/philosophical reasons. Earlier or more preparation would not have changed that fact.
YY: There’s nothing “alleged” about it. You can pull up the statistics yourself. Or, to make it easier for you, I already posted them in comment #1861538 of this thread, located about the sixth to last comment on the first page of the thread.
Now, if you start questioning the reliability of any particular official COVID statistics, why are you being selective? Why haven’t you questioned the accuracy of the Israeli statistics or that it is allegedly better than another country’s? Unless you wish to push an agenda rather than facts.
Have you made any posts questioning the propaganda statistics pushes out about China’s COVID statistics by the Communist Party that’s many many magnitudes lower than the real Chinese death rate. Or do you prefer to believe any anti-American drivel the leftist media feeds to your web browser.
Perhaps you can now acknowledge that the US has more robust reporting of statistics than other countries, making other country’s lower numbers less reliable and thus incomparable to the US numbers. As well as that a dense city such as NYC is far far less comparable to Israel than, say, the State of Israel’s next door neighbor Palestine, which is a much better comparison to Israel based on density, population as well as (obviously) geography. NYC is not.
You also have a history of ignoring that on a PER CAPITA basis, which is much more realistic than comparing a country of 300 million+ (US) to a country with just a few million, that the United States has done VERY well compared to many countries. Much better than most of Europe, in fact. France, the UK, Russia, Spain, Italy, Belgium, etc as well as many non-European countries have done FAR worse than the United States. (Thank you President Trump.) Additionally, even within the US, of the top ten worst States, nine out of ten are run by Democrat governors. Coincidence? I think not. America has done well and would have done much better if not for the Democrat states.
Chaim, what’s “appreciate what kosher amenities they have a lot more” mean? What is there to appreciate about it?
Charlie: Your deceitful comment utterly fails to explain how the Palestinian areas in the West Bank and Gaza did much much better than the State of Israel in containing infections and minimizing deaths from the virus. Despite the Palestinians having over double the population density of the Israelis they did fared far better.
Should government agents seize children of parents who refuse to vaccinate and forcibly vaccinate them?
If they are rodfim, then you must advocate forcible vaccinations.
ubiq: It’s a realistic possibility they’ll never come up with a vaccine. Or that it’ll be multiple years before they do.
It did not mention any poster but the point was there. And we are pretty astute readers who know you better than that. Regardless, I had already reposted before this request to do so.
Mods, I posted a comment yesterday with statistics between Israel and the PA. Did it come through?
Yes, and then I deleted it. I have no objection to stating positive facts about those who pledge to destroy Yidden, but I had to stop at the injection of making them sound praiseworthy for the mere sake of putting down a pro israel yid. I’m a bit surprised you had to clarify that.
What’s the status of bungalow colonies?
I understand the vacation homes owned in the Catskills have no problem as the government cannot keep homeowners out of their homes; even if it is a secondary/vacation home. But the bungalows that are rented are different; will they be able to open?
Milhouse: I’m positing that virtually every state has housing laws that prohibit an owner, coop or condo from prohibiting a renter or owner from engaging in religious activity in their home while allowing comparable non-religious activity.
The scenario I described would be no different than if a landlord, coop or condo promulgated a rule or bylaw allowing all prayers except Jewish prayers. Or to permit wearing any religious symbol or clothing — except yarmulkas and tzitzis. Or, for that matter, to prohibit any resident from practicing any religious activity, of any religion, in the privacy of their home.
Isn’t that region scheduled to open on May 28?
The Catskill region is part of the regions of New York State that Gov. Cuomo is opening up. As such, it appears likely summer sleep away camps as well as day camps in the Catskills will be in operation in late June/early July.
Yated and Hamodia are the poskim of what’s mainstream.
Using the criteria promoted in this thread, let’s run the numbers —
West Bank & Gaza:
Coronavirus cases in Palestinian Authority: 376
Coronavirus deaths in Palestinian Authority: 2
Population of Palestinian Authority: 5.05 million
Population Density in Palestinian Authority: 817/kmIsrael:
Coronavirus cases in Israel: 16,607
Coronavirus deaths in Israel: 271
Population of Israel: 8.88 million
Population Density in Israel: 401/kmPerhaps the Palestinians can help the Israeli health officials in controlling the virus.
editedNo, that would violate the law against discrimination in housing.
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Actually, if its bylaws define it as a Christian community it probably could do that, since its free exercise and/or RFRA rights would trump the anti-discrimination laws. At least, that’s what Hobby Lobbywould suggest.Your two responses contradict each other. But, in any event, I’m not referring to coop/condo that self-defines as part of a specific religion. My question was more if they allow all religions with the exception of one specific religion, which their bylaws state in not permitted to be practiced.
As such, housing laws would make that illegal. And those same laws would make illegal banning 9 friends from coming to one’s residence for prayer while at the same time permitting those same 9 friends from coming to that same residence for playing board games, shmoozing and/or partying — IF they don’t pray together.
Milhouse, is it your belief that the board of a co-op or condo can enact a bylaw prohibiting residents from praying in their home? Can a co-op or condo permit Christian prayer but prohibit Jewish prayer? Could they only permit Christians to purchase a residence in the co-op or condo but prohibit Jews from joining?
Regarding your second point, I specifically pointed out that they cannot treat religion worse than they treat non-religious activities. As such, if they permit 9 friends to enter a residence to play poker, shmooze or have a party, they cannot prohibit 9 friends from entering a residence to pray.
The population density of Israel, at 401/km is less than half of that of the Palestinian areas, which are at 817/km. But with New York City’s population density at 10,715/km, which is more than 26 times (!!) Israel’s population density, it is far more incomparable to Israel. Israel is both geographically (Israel and Palestine are both in Eretz Yisroel) as well as population wise, far more comparable to Palestine than to NYC.
AJ: If someone would invite 9 friends over every Sunday to play Bingo on his dining room table and it is against no regulation, bylaw or law then there can be no regulation, bylaw or law prohibiting that same person from inviting those same 9 people over every Sunday to engage in Chriistian prayer in his living room.
If someone would invite 9 friends over three times a day to play Bingo, Solitare and the final daily visit eat a friendly dinner on his dining room table and it is against no regulation, bylaw or law then there can be no regulation, bylaw or law prohibiting that same person from inviting those same 9 people over three times a day to engage in Jewish prayer in his living room.
No regulation, law or private bylaw can treat a religious prayer in ones home worse than those same regulations, laws and/or bylaws would permit a social gathering, gathering of friends to eat, shmooze or play board games in the home. If one is the latter is permitted on a regularly recurring basis (or without any enforcement against such social activities), then so must the former be permitted.
Define “establishing an organized shul/church/mosque in your apartment”. If someone invites his friends over for lunch in his dining room and afterwards, or even instead of lunch, he and those friends pray in his dining room, he is doing a personal and religious protected activity. No different legally than if he had invited those same people to play Solitaire, Stratego or Bingo in his living room. If there’s no law or regulation prohibiting friends from gathering in the living room for a game of solitaire or for lunch then legally there can be no regulation or law against praying, instead, in the living room.
The country has produced tests as fast as humanely possible given the chemical shortages required for producing the tests.
The senile Biden needs to get out of his basement a little.
It isn’t just you.
AJ: I specifically mentioned in my comment I was speaking generally and not specifically regarding this case. That having been, I take issue with your comment nevertheless. If Century Village were to ban any practice of religion on their premises, say by saying no people may pray in their homes, that would certainly be a violation of the law. Saying no minyanim is saying no praying.
It’s time to return to our millennia time honored Jewish way of making shidduchim: The two fathers strike an agreement to marry his son to the other’s daughter, you make a l’chaim and schedule a date for the chasuna.
Abba: Without addressing any other point, it is illegal for a condo, coop or local zoning ordinance to outlaw, prevent, preclude or otherwise inhibit a religious gathering, as such would be a clear violation of the First Amendment.
Milhouse: The Gemara in Shevuos derives a number of halachas from the Possuk of Midvar Sheker Tirchak but all of them are exclusive to the courtroom. The be posuk is contextually surrounded by pesukim which are dealing with the workings of a court. The Rasbam, Rambam and Sefer HaChinuch rule this possuk is not as a distinct prohibition but rather applies only in a court.
Though the Yerei’im rules this posuk does apply as an individual Halacha even outside of a courtroom, however he says that the prohibition only applies when it is a lie that can lead to harming or causing damage to another. However, if there is no damage that can result from the lie then it is only a virtue, not a prohibition.
Those who are pointing out the correctness and justification (and it certainly sounds that the punishment may have been well justified and appropriate) of the shul stripping these members of their rights and kibbudim, would certainly also agree that if a Rov ruled that it is mandatory for everyone to wear a skirt that’s minimally 4 inches below the knee and isn’t tight, sheitel that isn’t too long, etc., that it would be entirely appropriate and he’d be fully justified to punish the women violating that as well as their husbands/fathers who permitted it by stripping them of any honors, rights and kibbudim.
Reb. N0M:. It was Mr. Hall that framed it to hold politics to the Light of Torah, not I. I merely responded to his framework.
Hall: Bearing false witness only refers to under court testimony. Furthermore, please advise where in the Torah or S”A there’s a halahcic prohibition against lying. Suppose you lied to another professor in your university when you told him that you ate cherrios for breakfast whereas you are aware that in fact you had rice crispies for breakfast. Please specifically identify which, if any, halachic prohibition you unambiguously violated.
Amil: Which hate crime was committed that didn’t fall under the rubric of free speech?
How was the charges against them finally resolved? Conviction/jail, dismissal?
How did your shotgun keep them in place long enough for the cops to come?
Amil: Arrested on what charge?
He rightfully took it public in order to share the life saving measures he’s using so the public could be aware of its availability.
Amil: What if you’re legally armed and they’re legally armed. And they outnumber you.
Whatever the merits or lack thereof there was to react the way they did, what certainly is inexcusable is their decision to release a public letter advising their punishment.
From the New Oxford Style Manual:
“Correctly, 12 a.m. is midnight and 12 p.m. is noon”
When the editors of the Oxford English Dictionary or the editors of the Merriam-Webster dictionary see a word has entered the lexicon with its common usage, they add said word to their dictionary.
They publish new editions of the dictionary every number of years, with new entries. In fact, they now even add words between editions.
huju:
Innocent people, who know they’re innocent, plead guilty all the time in the American “justice” system. It is a regular occurrence. Tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent Americans are in jail, convicted of things they didn’t do.
Smart lawyers advise to plead guilty to charges one is innocent of to avoid being convicted, as well over 90% of federal trials end in conviction. State trials are not much different. Indeed, only 2% of cases even go to trial, as so many plead rather than roll the dice.
Even if innocent.
huju: Spoken/conversational English is what eventually makes it into the official language and the dictionary.