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The Litvish (and Yekkes and Oberlanders) used to wear shtreimals, long rekels and have long peyos too. There’s nothing Chasidish about all that.
Most of the Litvish dropped all that when the Russian government forced them to stop in the mid to late 1800s. (The Chasidim defied the Russians and continued dressing the way Jews dressed before.) This was after the GRAs time and after the Talmidei HaGRA moved to Eretz Yisroel, so they too never followed the Russian goyim’s demand that they drop dressing so ostensibly Jewish. And thus the Litvaks in Eretz Yisroel who follow the original ways of the Talmidei HaGRA continue to wear shtreimals, etc.
“I trashed it.”
Mod, what was the objection? It was very pareve.
I disagree. The tone was off and the questions were already answered in his previous post.
“Shabsai Tzvi and Yaakov Frenk were rejected, not because they turned out not to be moshiach, but because they became resho’im, openly rejected observance of halacha and told their followers to commit serious aveiros, and eventually committed shmad.”
Milhouse: Many Gedolei Yisroel condemned and denounced Shabsai Tzvi long before he started committing public aveiros and was exposed as a fraud.
Mods, did my comment beginning with “cut to the chase” posted several hours ago not come through?
I trashed it.
Why do meshichists feel that the Rebbe is more likely to be Moshiach than the Baal Shem or the Chasam Sofer or Rashi?
Is it true that the Chabad Lubavitch of prewar Europe was much much different in many ways (much moreso than the prewar/postwar differences of other Chasidim and Litvish groups) than the Chabad Lubavitch of postwar America?
One is a statement of fact. And one is a statement of Halacha.
Many (perhaps even close to a majority) who today call themselves Litvish are actually from Chasidish/heimish families. They come from Hungary, Poland, Ukraine, Austria, Czechoslovakia, etc., where their grandfathers or great-grandfathers were Chasidim or Oberlander.
“On social matters of course halachah is very conservative.”
WB Charlie.
Having recognized that Halacha is “very conservative” on social matters, would you say that you are very conservative on social matters — in accordance with Halacha?
Does anyone know of any shadchanim that specializes in bnos talmidei chachomim? My talmid chochom grandson is approaching shemoneh esrei l’chuppah and we’re getting ready to start the process.
Amil: Complete hogwas and grossly inaccurate.
Do you believe there is no maximum amount the government should provide in welfare or that restrictions on who should qualify cannot be modified? If a previous government set welfare rates to pay $40,000/year for anyone making under $80,000 year, you believe a subsequent government cannot lower such standards? The amounts are hypothetical but the point is obviously everyone agrees some point is too much; and if it was set for too much for political reasons by a previous government, a later government would be morally right to adjust it lower.
Neville, yes, I support strong gun control and am more than fully in line with the Democrat position than Republican. I look everything issue-by-issue and don’t necessarily toe the party line. Nevertheless, especially on social issues, but even on most economic issues, those in America referred to as conservatives are far closer to a correct position — in the vast vast majority of issues — than those referred to as liberal.
Conservatives care far more for the poor , the downtrodden, the yosam and almanah whereas the liberals use them as a tool and prop for political gain while giving them no help and nothing of use or import.
No. Of course not.
By voting for them you’re certainly indirectly supporting their evil agenda vis-a-vis abortion, toeiva, anti-religion, etc.
Are we next going to have a question whether it is halachicly okay to give money to abortion or toeiva organizations?
OMG, my nevuah has proven itself much faster than even I expected!!
I’ll bet this’ll be another thread that Mr. Hadorah in his ongoing anger management issues will — out of the blue — again lash out against me on some kind of preconceived notion, even though I’ve said nothing here, to make up for my having successfully been refuting all his leftist — irreligious and political — narishkeitan.
How many idiots ever go to Vietnam, the Amazon jungle or Addis Abbaba?!
Even if it is difficult for one to drink, he should make the extra effort to fulfill the mitzvah to get shikkur.
Is anyone trying to argue that if c”v there was a significant existential danger to Klal Yisroel in E”Y, that leaving E”Y is a lack of bitochon?
And what about the issur of leaving E”Y even temporarily (vacation, visits overseas, weddings, etc.) That you have no qualms doing?
Who owns the company now? Can their seforim legally be reprinted?
“One is not allowed to change mesorah where it pertains to minhagim, however regarding hashkafa there is no such thing as following in your fathers mesorah.”
TheFakeMaven:
How do you propose that works? Suppose someone changes from Litvish to Satmar or, say, from Ashkenazi to Sephardi, how does the former Litvak now Satmar, or the former Ashkenazi now Sephardi, stick to his original mesorah insofar as Litvish minhagim (Shmini Atzeres in the succah, gebrochts, etc) or Ashkenazic minhagim (selichos, kitniyos, nusach Ashkenaz, etc.) but suddenly start following the “hashkafos” of Satmar or Sefardim, respectively.
Lernt: Bingo, that’s exactly it. That Yiddish keeps us different and separate from the goyim is the largest factor making the shprach heilig.
“People shouldn’t feel stuck in the derech they were born in. Every combination and direction of change happens today–chassidim who become Litvaks, Satmar who become dati leumi, people who combine Chabad-Breslov-Kook-Carlebach, Ashkenazim who follow a lot of Sephardic kabbalistic customs, you name it. Whatever your soul is attracted to, go for it, provided it’s kosher–and see what works in bring you closer to HKBH.”
This is a falsity. Halachicly one should not change from his father’s derech, minhagim, etc. That a requirement. Judaism isn’t a shmorgosboard menu of picking and choosing what you like best. Born a Litvak (love that gebrochts)? Tomorrow become Sephardic (kitniyos tastes good)! Didn’t work out? Change right over to being Yekke (three hours fleshings.) Not your cup of tea? No problemo, tomorrow you’ll be Satmar (here comes the mitzvah tantz.)
According to my copy of the Shulchan Aruch, 13 year olds are halachicly subject to the same chiyuvim as 19 year olds and 29 year olds.
If someone is a member of a kehila or Yeshiva where the Rov or Rosh Yeshiva holds al pi halacha that barring extenuating circumstances one is supposed to get completely shikkur, then he is obligated to get drunk on Purim.
Women are prohibited from drinking and getting shikkur on Purim according to l’chol hadeios.
No one’s saying those with the valid and sincere shitta that you can l’chatchilla nap should do otherwise; and no one should say those with the valid and sincere shitta that you should l’chatchilla get stone drunk should do otherwise.
You can pasken for your kehila. Those who are members of other kehilos who have their own rabbonim who pasken to get drunk should do so.
Which, coincidentally, is the traditionally most widely practiced shitta.
Imagine if there were ads encouraging folks to eat Cholov Stam.
No one’s telling anyone not to eat Cholov Stam. But if someone people are makpid on Cholov Yisroel why would you try to entice them to change?
Or to be more neutral, if some people don’t wear Tefilin on chol hamoed, why would anyone put out advertisements encouraging them to change and start wearing Tefilin on chol hamoed?
Allow people to follow their shittas and their rabbonim’s and Roshei Yeshiva’s shittas without trying to get them to change.
And make no mistake about it, there are many Gedolim and Rabbonim and Poskim and Roshei Yeshivos who are on the record as holding that the ikkur mitzvah regarding ad dlo yoda on Purim is to l’chatchilla actually get completely shikur. In the very basic sense of getting very drunk. It is a 100% valid and adhered to shitta that many of us can testify our Roshei Yeshivos and Rabbonim insisted on for Purim. Anyone who denies this is either ignorant or untruthful.
And Rep. Omar was not removed from ANY committees, unlike what the Republicans did to King. Omar wasn’t punished in any way for her blatant antisemitism because the Democrats are antisemites.
writer: You’re foolishly parroting over and over the same unintelligent points that Israel is always safer than elsewhere, no matter what, simply because you assert so.
Mr. Rebbetzin: Steven I. Weiss proved six years ago that your citation about Rav Shach as well as about yesh al ma lismoch are forgeries of Prof. Michael Broyde.
Nightly.
“There’s a concept of Shechichai Hazaika. If it’s a place that is considered dangerous then you can’t go in there and expect an open miracle. You don’t need an open miracle to live in Jerusalem. You likely would need an open miracle to spend a couple days in Ramallah.”
Interjection: Once you admit that living in parts of Eretz Yisroel, such as in southern Lebanon, Ramallah or Jordan, are not safe, there’s no hashkafic reason to refrain from admitting that Australia and America is safer than Tel Aviv and Haifa.
Rav Pam was a member of the Moetzes. And my point was just an example. Of course the Moetzes aren’t the only Gedolim. But coincidentally the members of the Moetzes were all greater rabbonim and talmidei chachomim than the rabbis you mentioned.
The attribution to the Chazon Ish is false.
Anyone with a girl who goes to the movies Friday nights and is looking for a Lakewood bochor to marry should contact the MO shadchan “Mr. Rebbetzin”, as he specializes in such shidduchim.
Jews in all English speaking countries, whether America, Canada, England and Australia, should have their askonim work with the government and legislators to make available refugee status for Israeli Jews to be welcomed to move to their country in case they need to escape from Israel.
Whether escaping an Arab threat or a threat by the Israeli government targeting Torah Jews.
The Brisker Rov suggested in may be necessary for Bnei Torah to move out of Israel if the threat from the Israeli government against the Bnei HaYeshiva gets worse.
“external enemies attacking” is the most basic example of antisemitism. Whether it is Hamas doing a suicide attack or the Klu Klux Klan breaking a shuls windows.
And Hamas kills more Jews in Israel than antisemites outside of Israel kills Jews.
If you want to discuss government sponsored attacks on Jews, that’s never happened in America and there’s no reason to think it is more likely today or tomorrow than it was yesterday or ten or twenty years ago. In Israel, there is reason to suspect the government coming against Torah Jews.
Nothing NK does harms anyone.
Other than the sensibilities of those who have a weakness in supporting Zionism.