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Yseribus: Chaim Berlin stopped allowing bochorim to go to college, as universities degenerated.

It was Rav Aharon who convinced Rav Hutner not to open a Jewish college.

Outsider: You simply still don’t get it. Witness your reference to “orientation”, as if that’s some normal difference. (And that’s but one example.)

“As a side point, those who will go OTD in college were likely already halfway there and looking for a way out.”

That’s no reason to give them the final push to go OTD, by permitting or not hugely discouraging secular college.

The question you should be asking is why anyone would be crazy enough to socialize with the crazies in our crazy world.

Your failing to recognize the change your association with the crazies has changed you for the worse is a bad answer. The change in you was slow but sure and you unfortunately didn’t even realize you’ve changed.

The mere fact you can normalize reference to toeivaniks is itself a symptom of the above. And your lack of cognizance of the results of socializing with the opposite gender is further demonstration of your inability to see yourself and the changes it has wrought upon you.

Kinderlach, If I “only” related to you the well know discussions on this issue by Rav Chaim Segal and Rav Shach or Rav Aharon and Rav Svei, I could understand you’d be upset that your deeply felt boich feelings insisting on teaching goyishe subjects to yiddishe kinder would be disturbed. But moreso I provided you additional actual maare mekomos from the Rama, Rav Shimon Schwab, Rav Boruch Ber and Rav Elchonon. For that you have no retort. But farshtaitzich that it still tut zich vai. And when I also mentioned what Rav Aharon Leib said six years ago (which was reported at the time on this site and can still be found with a search of the main page here), you felt utterly incompetent to argue against these great leaders of Klal Yisroel from past and present.

I suppose that why y’all ignored Yseribus’ instructions to you.

And AJ, you have the right to hope they decline accepting entitlement benefits. But they have the right to disregard your hope. Unless you want to fight the NAACP and get your local state legislature to repeal or limit them.

Is this an advertisement for Pesach hotels?

Rav Chaim Segal ZT’L, the Menahel of the High School at Yeshiva Chaim Berlin was once told by Rav Shach ZT’L that if possible, he should not be teaching English studies. In Eretz Yisroel, almost all Chareidi Yeshivos do not have English at that age. Rav Aharon Kotler ZT’L made some kind of commitment not to allow English studies on the HS level in Lakewood. The exact details, and if this was actually a Takanah or merely a preference, is not clear and depends who you ask. In any case, Rabbi Elya Svei, Rosh Yeshiva of Philadelphia and a student of Rav Aharon’s, was asked why he allows English in Philly if Rav Aharon was against it. What difference can there be between the town of Lakewood NJ and Philadelphia PA? Reb Elya answered that he has no choice, and that currently, the Baalei Batim would not send their kids to the Yeshiva except under these circumstances.

Is any of this the ideal? No. It is not. Is it justified? The schools say it is, as they have no choice. But the point is not what the Jews do, its what Judaism wants. Everyone agrees that it would be a higher level, a preferable situation if we would indeed not learn English even at the HS level, at least not beyond what is necessary to survive. Nobody claims it is an ideal.

Yes.

This is nothing new whatsoever. This has been happening for at least 30+ years in Lakewood.

More bochorim are now in such mesivtas? Population growth.

CTL, do I owe you an apology?

White nationalism is the same as black identification, just for another racial group.

Luna:

1. Please elucidate us how King is allegedly anti-Semitic.

2. King has been disowned by Republicans, unlike Omar by the Democrats

“-Historical Democrat concerned about antisemitism/anti-Israel messages from some Democrat in leadership positions”

A very valid concern. This will get even worse than it already is.

“-Still concerned even though Democrat was somewhat reprimanded by Democrats after comments were made.”

Very valid concern. Will get worse.

“-Never ever imagined voting Republican”

The vast majority of frum Americans vote Republican. Join the program.

“-Aren’t some Republican leaders are antisemitic/anti-Israel too?”

No. Republicans kick out and denounce antisemites who run as Republicans (i.e. Duke.) Democrats coddle and embrace their antisemites. Witness not only the recent examples we all just saw but historical examples with Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and many others.

“-Want to approach this election weighing each side – rather than simply aligning with a party”

Good idea. But sometimes one party is so bad that the opposition is the only real choice.

“-Still need to find out who the Democratic candidate it too”

Virtually all the Democrat candidates in the presidential primary are horrible. Additionally, even if a not-so-horrible candidate wins, he must cater to the Democrat masses demanding terrible policies.

The CBO, IRS and other official sources ran the figures and put on the record that the tax code changes made with the Trump Tax Reform act resulted in a large majority of the middle class across the United States seeing a reduction in their federal annual taxes. This is looking at the net results of all the changes from the tax changes, not just the property taxes issue alone. IOW, even those who may have seen higher taxes as a result of the property no longer being fully deductible, most of them had an even larger decrease on the rest of their taxes to more than make up for the property increase.

And of the minority that didn’t see a decrease, they mostly had about the same overall tax liability as before the changes.

There were very very few middle class who saw an overall increase in their tax liability after the change. Those that had such an increase were mostly the wealthier people living in states with high property taxes. And even most of the wealthier folks also had an overall decrease in Federal tax liability.

You’re wealthy. You support higher taxes on the wealthy. You should be happy to be paying higher taxes.

The vast majority of the American middle class saw a reduction after the Trump tax cuts compared to before. That is overall, even if property taxation in isolation rose for some.

P.S. A lawyer AND an accountant? You really ARE everything!

Resignation not accepted
After all, you cannot be bested
We expect you every year
Disappoint us, don’t you dear
We will speak to the Mrs.
To make sure you brief absence can be handled
Once you do reappear
Our spirits will be lifted high

2scents: The data you cited does seem to mean that everyone should be vaccinated. That being said, it is difficult to reconcile all that with the data cited by mentsch1, which does leave room to accept those in the minority who choose not to vaccinate.

P.S. This comment is submitted later than my other comment, though the mods might approve them in reverse order.

Getting admitted for the common cold, is rare.

And all indications from the CDC are that getting admitted for measles is also rare.

But for the current outbreak, there are no official numbers and I dont think that anyone will provide you with a list of last names of patients that have been transported or admitted.

I’m not asking for statistics from the current outbreak. I’m asking for statistics from previous outbreaks or incidents.

I can easily provide you general observations and studies that are available.

Not general observations (those can be debated endlessly) but rather studies, as you are offering, from previous cases demonstrating — specifically — the likelihood of measles resulting or not resulting in severe complications.

TIA

Talking about the Rebbe ZT”L’s kanois, there’s a regular sport on this site (usually on the main page but sometimes here too) that whenever a talmid chochom, rosh yeshiva or rov in Eretz Yisroel smashes a smartphone to demonstrate Yiddishe opposition to those devices (for the obvious reasons) we witness a whole slew of random posters make chozek of the talmid chochom, with the typical daas baalei batim commentary.

While some or many people know the Rebbe ZT’L, who we just witnessed had over 100,000 Yidden attend his levaya with grown men crying over the petira of a 95 year old demonstrating his universally acknowledged tzidkus recognized across the spectrum and his counsel sought throughout Klal Yisroel, was a big kanoi against smartphones, what fewer people remember is that for many decades before the advent of smartphones he was just as big a kanoi against televisions. And, yes, just as our repeated protagonists here who gives these internet commenteretti so many fits and balls when they smash smartphones, the Rebbe ZT’L would annually smash a television and burn it with the chometz.

Just in time for Pesach, rabbosai. You, too, can throw it in the fire. Do it l’zecher nishmas the Rebbe ZT”L.

What’s your data point/source that a significant or notable percent of measles carriers have severe complications?

Fellows, if you keep reminding Yseribus about government crime statistics in crime ridden Baltimore, he said above that he is liable to burst out using nivul peh. Nevertheless, the point about many many many frum former OOTers who chose to move to NY and NJ is true not just about Baltimore (though it may be much more prevalent from there) but really from most OOT communities, whose former members can be found in large numbers in NYC, Lakewood and Monsey.