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JosephParticipant
If the Marine Corps changes its uniform, if you’re a Marine you immediately change. If you tell your commander that if the old Marine uniform was good and worked until now there’s no harm in continuing to wear it, so you’ll be sticking to the old uniform, you’ll be court martialed.
JosephParticipantSyag, it’s a metzius that adultery is more prevalent than homosexuality. The only real difference between the two in contemporary times is that the former is widely acknowledged by virtually all as wrong whereas the latter was also so acknowledged until relatively very recently in history when through great political and media effort society was brainwashed into changing its views towards accepting its normalization. Something that has yet to occur with the former. (Give it some more time.)
Given that the former is far more prevalent, perhaps you can explain to us how that it is that you’re somehow able to “attest” that the latter is a “large group” when I think you’ll admit (correct me please if otherwise) that you don’t know of a “large group” of the former, despite that sin being far more prevalent than the latter.
You’re being unaware of any large group of adulterers isn’t because they don’t exist. It is because they don’t make themselves known to you. Which is far better than it they had made their sinful nature known to others. Yet the existence of the “regretful” homosexuals, you attest, are made known to you in a quantity consisting of being (even just from what you know and can attest to) a “large group”.
I acknowledge that you indicate that this “large group” of homosexuals that you attest to do admit that their sinful activities may not and should not be engaged in by themselves, despite their continually doing so, to their regret. But I do severely question how it came to be that they made their sin known to outsiders (such as yourself), whereas other sinners (such as adulterers, which as a much larger group would be better known had they made themselves known) tend to not do so; and appropriately not.
JosephParticipantSyag, do you know of any group of toeivaniks who are active in the sin that if asked will readily concede that their private activity is wrong and they shouldn’t be doing it?
I will assert that if such people exist, I’m not sure if one hand would be enough to count them or if you’d need fingers from your second hand to complete the count of them.
JosephParticipantThat’s false. The people who talk during davening do not claim interrupting davening is okay to do. The people who steal from the government do not claim stealing is okay to do. The people who cheat on exams do not claim cheating is okay to do.
They all know and will acknowledge if asked that cheating, stealing and interrupting is wrong.
The toeivaniks not only sin in private, they proudly parade about their sin. They create symbols like rainbows to advertise their sinning and promote it.
And if asked if that activity is wrongful and shouldn’t be done, virtually every one of them will tell you there’s nothing wrong with doing it.
JosephParticipantThat’s false. The people who talk during davening do not claim interrupting davening is okay to do. The people who steal from the government do not claim stealing is okay to do. The people who cheat on exams do not claim cheating is okay to do.
They all know and will acknowledge if asked that cheating, stealing and interrupting is wrong.
The toeivaniks not only sin in private, they proudly parade about their sin. They create symbols like rainbows to advertise their sinning and promote it.
And if asked if that activity is wrongful and shouldn’t be done, virtually every one of them will tell you there’s nothing wrong with doing it.
JosephParticipantDinkins was a historic disaster. Dinkins makes de Blasio look like a saint.
The old Italian and Irish families moved out of New York as the criminal elements were moving in. That vote is now long gone.
June 22, 2020 12:03 am at 12:03 am in reply to: If N.Y. doesn’t allow summer camps to open, what’s your plan? #1874983JosephParticipantAJ: Take a tour of Williamsburg and Boro Park. Stay at home moms are the norm. Non-stay at home stick out as a bit unusual. Even Lakewood and Flatbush have a very strong stay at home mom contingent, though I’m not sure which way the majority is in Lakewood and Flatbush. It’s pretty close.
JosephParticipantFor the same reason I don’t wear a yellow hat.
June 19, 2020 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm in reply to: If N.Y. doesn’t allow summer camps to open, what’s your plan? #1874554JosephParticipantCTL, after hearing about all those enhancements my daughter just did a little dance and immediately ordered a new wardrobe commensurate with her taller stature since last season and in sync with the anticipated summer weather at the CTL compound.
My wife and I would be more than delighted to come for a short stay at the compound. Given the amount of time since we’ve last been there and the current work at home situation resulting from the ongoing health concerns, it would be a most wonderful opportunity to accept.
JosephParticipantEffectively, the situation in America today, especially in the media and among the street mobs, is that any time a police officer is doing his duty in faithfully, fairly and properly upholding the law, if the officer is white and the criminal is black, any enforcement action the law enforcement officer is required to carry out against the criminal is deemed wrong and murderous.
Instead of handcuffing the criminals, the left-wing mobsters in BLM, the media, leaders of the rioters, looters and anarchists together with Democrat Party politicians are handcuffing the police officers. And then falsely accusing them and charging them for their own political benefits to appease the street mobs.
JosephParticipantThe two Atlanta officers not only didn’t do a single thing incorrectly, even remotely, their interaction at that incident from beginning till the end was a model response of how any police officer anywhere should handle such a situation.
Police academies across the country should use video of this incident to train future police officers to react similarly to how these two heroic Atlanta officers handled the situation.
June 19, 2020 12:06 pm at 12:06 pm in reply to: If N.Y. doesn’t allow summer camps to open, what’s your plan? #1874429JosephParticipantCTL:
With the camp shut down, my daughter is chalushing to come to the CTL compound. She’s literally marking the days on the calendar until school’s over. (Yeah, they are sneaking in to the school building against regulations for the girls to say goodbye to each other after not seeing one another for months.)
But I must forewarn you that my daughter is not very keen about keeping on her face mask. You’ll be busy all summer enforcing that — unless you have the pull to convince Gov. Ned Lamont to ease up on that requirement.
JosephParticipantThank you. That I’ll say for the sincere mussar, since it is sincere though misplaced.
But walking away isn’t an option.
JosephParticipantYou’re avoiding the point.
JosephParticipantSyag: Hating an open, blatant, public, willful, proud sinner isn’t an optional mitzvah. It is an obligatory mitzvah on all.
JosephParticipant“I have never witnessed any of my coworkers performing prohibited sexual acts, so your analogy is not valid.”
Wolf: You deem theft to be worse than sexual sins, so you’re saying you don’t view the analogy as valid as you’ll speak out against theft but you’ll refuse to speak out against sexual sins?
JosephParticipantSyag: The Torah tells us to hate a willful sinner who unabashedly sins in public and isn’t embarrassed by his sins but is rather proud and loud about his sins.
JosephParticipantWolf: If you witnessed a co-worker stealing company property or witnessed a neighbor beating other people’s children, would you then publicly declare yourself “unworthy enough to judge anyone else as to whether or not they are virtuous or not, so I make it a point not to hate anyone”?
June 19, 2020 9:56 am at 9:56 am in reply to: If N.Y. doesn’t allow summer camps to open, what’s your plan? #1874360JosephParticipantThe lawsuits will never get anywhere.
JosephParticipantIf the final number is in the ballpark of 240,000, it will be within Anthony Fauci’s March estimate. If it is below that range, the country did better than expected.
This isn’t the first epidemic in American history.
JosephParticipantI haven’t been following the entire conversation, but Snopes is more often false, incorrect and/or biased than Snopes being accurate.
JosephParticipantHopefully he’ll make it to the November ballot for the general election, so I can vote for him in one of those very rare occasions that I’d vote for a Democrat.
JosephParticipantHaimy:
Your OP is great, on the bottom and 100% correct.
Yasher Koach
JosephParticipantHopefully the entire Atlanta police department will go on strike so the demagogues can have their dream “defund the police” become reality with the closure of the police department and Atalanta, within days from now, becoming a declared lawless zone that’s sealed off from outsiders, to prevent outsiders being victimized by a lawless society.
JosephParticipantThe Atlanta police officers, both of them, are unsung heroes deserving of a medal. For 40 minutes these heroic officers calmly dealt with a drunken driver with a criminal record that had an outstanding warrant against him and sweetly got all of his information, determined what occurred and were diplomats.
When it became necessary to arrest him for drunken driving, as is required under the law and police policy to keep the roads safe in addition to the outstanding warrant against him, they calmly told him he drank too much and they’ll need to handcuff him now. The criminal then suddenly became violent, physically attacked the officers, grabbed one of their deadly weapon and fired it at them. When he ran away and fired the deadly weapon aimed at the officer a second time, the office correctly defended his life and shot him in self-defense, removing another criminal from society where he would continue to harm innocents, as he had in the past — including children.
The Atalanta DA and Mayor are thugs who blatantly and outright lied about what occurred and can easily be seen on multiple videos. The DA put an innocent police officer, who faithfully served his community and society with distinction, in prison under false pretenses in order to satisfy the street mob.
JosephParticipantAccording to the CDC, in the 2017-2018 flu season between 61,000 and 95,000 Americans died. In the 2014-2015 flu season between 51,000 and 64,000 Americans died.
Yet relatively very few people knew that many people died of the flu those years despite those numbers. And those years didn’t have a major epidemic.
June 18, 2020 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm in reply to: Outdoor Dining Proscrpition in Halacha – Phase 2 Reopening #1874247JosephParticipantA public sidewalk in the street with pedestrian and vehicular traffic with complete strangers constantly whizzing by the table.
June 18, 2020 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm in reply to: Outdoor Dining Proscrpition in Halacha – Phase 2 Reopening #1874210JosephParticipantEven completely aside from halachic concerns (and without dismissing what the Gemorah says about eating in the street), on a personal level I’d feel (and know many others who’d feel) extremely uncomfortable or foolish fressing on a sidewalk in the street.
June 18, 2020 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm in reply to: Outdoor Dining Proscrpition in Halacha – Phase 2 Reopening #1874198JosephParticipantReb Eliezer: What’s so shlect about eating inside with family that it’s an emergency to eat outside? It’s still safer to eat inside.
JosephParticipantjackk: Fauci’s high end of the number as of March was 240,000; not 200,000.
June 18, 2020 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm in reply to: Outdoor Dining Proscrpition in Halacha – Phase 2 Reopening #1874135JosephParticipantReb Eliezer: I’ve heard from Talmidei Chachomim, even before the whole coronovirus, that decent people (especially Bnei Yeshiva, talmidim, Bnei Torah and certainly without saying, Talmidei Chachomim) should not eat in an INDOOR restaurant if you can be seen eating by people outside in the street, through the restaurant window.
Your contention that Talmidei Chachomim would now eat in the street by an outdoor restaurant is something virtually never seen.
JosephParticipantAnthony Fauci, in *March*, predicted the death rate would be upwards of 240,000. The numbers we’re hearing now are below his estimate.
We’ve done very well, as a nation, to keep it below prediction.
Remember, the Spanish Flu killed something like 750,000 Americans. A bad flu season can kill over 100,000 Americans. The 1957 flu had a very large death rate.
Thank you President Trump, the RBS”O’s shliach.
JosephParticipantDinkins was a horrific mayor. Calling him a washroom attendant was too nice a description. He deserved a much worse name despite it being accurate that he was a former washroom attendant.
JosephParticipantWolf: I’m a shadchan.
JosephParticipantAvi, people may and do boycott businesses that employ open homosexuals.
JosephParticipantN0m: The First Amendment most certainly does cover religious services.
JosephParticipantN0m: I’m glad you agree that if an employee expresses deep racism and xenophobia off-hours, off premises, on his own time on social media and in public, the employee should not penalize him for doing things that don’t impede the employees ability to do his daily job.
JosephParticipantIsn’t a hotel quite inappropriate for an unmarried man and woman to be together at?
JosephParticipantCS: If an employer can fire an employee working a counter at an airline gate or serving meals in a restaurant for expressing very racists or xenophobic on social media during his personal time off premises because it will reflect badly on the cooperate image, then on the same token an employer can fire an employee working a counter at an airline gate or serving meals in a restaurant for posting pictures on social media of himself cross dressing, posing as the opposite general or worse immoral behaviors during his personal time off premises that will reflect badly on the corperate image, as the restaurant or business he works for caters to a very religious clientele who strongly object to such behaviors.
AJ: Completely false. Even if that were true (which it isn’t), it would be irrelevant to this conversation.
JosephParticipantWolf: How did you know they’re homosexuals? Do you also know which people you work with are adulterers? Why would you know the former but not the latter?
JosephParticipantcommonsaychel: If private companies shouldn’t be allowed to regulate their employees behavior outside of business hours, during their personal time off premises, by firing them for cross-dressing, posing as the opposite gender, and worse immoral behaviors, then I’m sure you also agree in order not to be hypocritical that private companies should be prohibited from firing employees who during their personal time off premises express very racist and xenophobic ideas in public, on social media, etc.
JosephParticipant“The problem is that protests are protected by the First Amendment.”
YY: Religious services are ALSO protected by the same First Amendment. If the mass protests are permitted, then mass religious services must be permitted.
And the many many DAILY mass protests across many cities are certainly, culmatively, MUCH more likely to cause many COVID infections than a single indoor rally.
JosephParticipantThere have been LARGE numbers of BLM protesters/rioters WITHOUT masks. Outdoor parks have been closed, outdoor wedding and funerals have been BANNED. OUTDOOR mass gatherings carry great risk of transmitting COVID.
JosephParticipantCharlie: Then explain why businesses and police departments and non-profits fire employees for racism (i.e. free speech) expressed off hours, off premises, on the employees personal time, if it becomes public in social media, mass media, etc.
JosephParticipantShnitzel: Actually, one CAN sue for those reasons. And demonstrate in court that the business is systemically discriminating. Even though difficult to prove, it is possible.
JosephParticipantCharlie: To be technical, it had been part of the City of Washington but not part of the District of Columbia.
JosephParticipantbesalel: 33% of black males have a felony conviction and 15% have served time in prison. Those are official statistics from 2010. Nationally from the total US population (all ethnicities/races, which includes the black figures), 8% have felony convictions and 3% have been in prison. Whites about 3% have felonies and less than 1% were in prison.
Which demonstrates an African-American is over ten times as likely to be a criminal than a white person.
JosephParticipantCharlie: You must’ve skipped Parshas Noach with Rashi to make that mistaken comment.
JosephParticipantbesalel: It is significantly higher than 10%. In 2010 the percentage of black males with a felony record was 33%. If you take age into account, say between 15 and 55, it is likely a majority.
JosephParticipantsifsei: The wishes of the incumbent Democrat congressmen holds much more sway in Albany during redistricting than the wishes of the frum community. And since none of the Democrat congressmen want much of the Orthodox Jewish electorate in their district, due to our conservatism and opposition to liberal Democrat positions, they each want as little of us as possible (to avoid giving any future opposition candidates a base to build upon), resulting in the Orthodox Jewish voter base being split into different Congressional districts.
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