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How is it “stolen”?
Female only (or preferred) is codewords for low paying job.
They are the Talmidei HaGRA that came to Eretz Yisroel not long after the Vilna Gaon was niftar.
Many other Litvaks in Eretz Yisroel (that aren’t official Yerushalmis) also officially speak Yiddish as their first language.
“I also guess that a minimum of 20-30,000 do not understand a Yiddish speech.”
This is way far fetched. At most 15% don’t comprehend any Yiddish.
“1. The number of Yiddish speakers in America drops significantly every year. 7.5 years later means a big drop.”
This is the opposite of reality. Chasidim with their much higher birth rate are an increasing majority of American Orthodox Jews. And hence the Yiddish speaking proportion of American Orthodox Jews is increasingly rising.
“Regarding marrying more than one wife. In my community the minhag is to put this restriction as a tnai in the ketuva: that he won’t marry another woman unless she is with him ten consecutive years and she didn’t have any zera shel kayama.”
User176: In your Sephardic community men who didn’t have children for 10 years marry a second wife?
Brisk doesn’t do Daf Yomi?
Look how many Jews there were in past historical periods that we have records of, either from Tanach, Chazal or other sources. Based on any natural growth rate from those past numbers, today there should at least be hundreds of millions of Jews. Yet we only count a few million today (even with the unreligious.)
It depends whether you practice Judaism or whether you practice Zionism.
It isn’t a real stira to the Rema to hold hands after the Chupa, since the shitta that the couple must hold hands for that walk is due to halachic reasons to complete the marriage kinyan.
rational: Are you Orthodox?
TLIK: Halevi, halevi we could return to the state of shtetl life.
Can you explain why so so many frum Yidden, Bnei Torah (a vast majority of Chareidi Yidden), choose to live IT rather than OOT despite housing costs IT being much higher than OOT and despite getting much less and much tighter and cramped space than OOT?
Clearly not for gashmiyus reasons.
Milhouse: Become Jewish after Moshiach arrives will be possible? If so every goy will suddenly sign up to Judaism after seeing the nisim from Moshiach.
You think housing costs IT are lower than OOT? Ah nechtinge tug.
Look, living IT costs much more in housing. And you get less space, no yard, cramped on top of your neighbors house literally a few feet away. OOT you have much more gashmiyus, etc.
Yet, nevertheless, despite the lesser gashmiyus plus the higher cost of housing, so so many Yidden choose to nevertheless live IT, give up the gashmiyus of nicer housing with more space etc. And even former OOTers, so very many of them, have chosen to give up the OOT gashmiyus and uproot their entire families to move IT for the great ruchniyos benefits in living in a full time Yiddishe environment surrounded by tens of thousands of ehrliche Yidden, Gedolei Yisroel, Bnei Torah, multitudes of yeshivos and butei medrashim, etc.
All over IT you can find many many former OOTers. Whereas the yeshivos are growing IT, unfortunately OOT the yeshivos are either stagnating or shrinking in most OOT communities. Because so many of their young families have moved out at marriage or later. Other than newish OOT communities that grow a bit in their initial years, it is rare to find a long established OOT community that is adding yeshivos year after year.
NP: Then you missed the boat. Giving up the humongous ruchniyos benefits of living IT to gain some ostensible gashmiyus benefits of OOT, is terribly foolish.
Lakewood and Monsey, btw, are full all intents and purposes a chelek of IT.
Mulhouse: You’re saying the in the prewar period a majority of Jews living in the entire northern and eastern Belarus were Lubavitcher Chasidim?
Milhouse,
“However, what makes you think there are a significant number of such people? How exactly would “female non-Jews erroneously got mistaken for Jews”?”
Of course there aren’t a significant number. But over 2,000+ years there are going to be some. Another example might be a Jewish family adopted and never properly converted yet she thought she’s Jewish. Or a Jewish baby switched at birth with a gentile baby. (One such scenario was discovered 100 years later, recently.) And had children and grandchildren etc. all thinking they’re Jewish and intermarrying real Jews.
What will happen to these Shomer Torah uMitzvos pseudo-Jews when Moshiach comes and all those generations now realize they’re goyim (who might have had children with actual Jews)?
Does Chabad and Satmar participate in the Daf Yomi system and in the Siyum HaShas?
midwesterner: There are many negativities there that you won’t find in NY.
MDG: Aside from the proof that you refer to, it is also a clear genealogical fact that within an endagomy society such as the Ashkenazim, virtually everyone today will descend from all our predecessors/ancestors from 1,000 years ago.
Torah is stronger than the weather. The weather is controlled by the Torah; the Torah is not controlled by the weather.
Syag, I’m sorry to see that you still haven’t been able to overcome your jealousy of those zoche to life IT. A solution to your dillema would be to move to the city that never sleeps. Because the Kol HaTorah is fired up 24/7.
TLIK: Your last comment is highly inaccurate. IT expulsions are far rarer than OOT. You may be confusing expulsions with initial rejections. Regarding the latter, IT that isn’t a big deal since there are another dozen plus mosdos to choose from. OOT you don’t have that option and you’re stuck out of luck if that happens.
OOT if the school rejects (or expels) a child, the child is pot out of luck since that might be the only game in town. So he’s gotta be shipped to another town, perhaps *gasp* NY, to dorm or travel excessively each day.
Today’s Chabad only has a tiny segment that survived from prewar Lubavitch. Depending on how you count them, most of them are or descend from relatively recent BTs. The old time chasidim (they have a special name for them) are only a small portion. They’re the fourth largest chasidus, with Satmar being the largest with over 200,000 chasidim worldwide. While Satmar chasidim are also mostly from joining after the war, those that joined Satmar were mostly of Hungarian (including Romania, Czechsolovakian/Carpathian, historical Hungarian lands) stock.
YRockstar: Yazdis? They are Kurdish and practice an offshoot of Islam.
ZD: Chasidim from Hungary (who obviously speak Yiddish) are a majority of Hungarian Jews overall today, given their vastly higher birthrate over the last 65 years.
Additionally, Hungarian Jewry had a much higher survival rate than Lithuanian Jewry, as the Nazis took over Lita much earlier in the war whereas they only took over Hungary less than a year before the war ended.
Can’t be since we know that Rashi and the Baalei Tosfos shtam ben acher ben from Dovid HaMeclech, hence Shevet Yehuda. We have the complete yichus brief from Dovid HaMelech through Rashi. And most Ashkenazim shtam from Rashi. Hence the Ashkenazim clearly and unambiguously shtam from and are Shevet Yehuda.
Ivrit is no different or more special than any other language that serves a particular country or region. Like Farsi, French, English or Arabic.
Milhouse, where do you believe the Ethiopians shtam from? What do you think will happen at Moshiach to the descendents of female non-Jews who erroneously got mistaken for Jews and are now mixed into Klal Yisroel thinking they’re Jewish (and may even be Shomer Torah)? And what do you think will happen to descendents of Jews who hundreds of years ago or more got mistaken for goyim and all their thousands of descendents think they’re goyim?
No Schottenstein.
fg33: No, because those who use English as a first language but Yiddish as a second language mostly go to English daf yomi. But they know Yiddish. Additionally, there is probably close to parity in English version Yiddish daf yomi. Don’t forget to count KJ, New Square, Williamsburg, Boro Park etc.
In what way can this law possibly be considered good or have any redeeming value?
The leftists opposed it because it hurts Muslims. If it hurt only Jews or Christians the leftists would be happy about it. But in this case it hurts Jews as well, as you acknowledged. In France they ban it even in public, not just in public jobs as Quebec now did.
Would you be happy if the government banned circumcision or religiously slaughtered meat, since after all that would hurt Muslims and leftists would support it as being child cruelty and animal cruelty? Just because the leftists oppose something doesn’t be definition make it good.
The French Quebecois are particularly nasty antisemites and have a history of Jew hatred.
fg33: Unquestionably a majority understand Yiddish. Either fluently or well enough to understand the speakers. That isn’t to say it is their first language. To many Yiddish is their first language. To many others it is their second language. But between them they represent a majority of the Chareidi world. And the Chareidi world is a super-majority of Orthodox Jews in America.
YO: You’re contradicting your own earlier comment. First you shared your bubbe maaisa about S and A specifically being from different shvatim. Now you’re saying you don’t believe your own theory that someone told you.
There are no school buses for yeshiva children in Baltimore and the entire frum population must arrange their day around carpooling, morning and evening. (Coincidentally, just about every Rav and Posek and Jewish leader in Baltimore was brought up in communities outside of Baltimore.)
OOT is very often a spiritual danger zone. IT you are far more likely to remain in a frum environment and bring up your family frum.
Milhouse, how do you account for the stories regarding the Sambatyon?
The Chasidim, to whom Yiddish is their first language, are now a majority of American Orthodox Jews.
CTR: As you were told above, a strong majority of the Yidden at the Siyum understand Yiddish.
Some claim Weiss is a T.C.
bp27 is absolutely correct. The majority do understand Yiddish, even if it is their second rather than first language.
English cannot accommodate Yiddish speakers who are not fluent in English. Of which there are many. Even if some here hate that fact.
Be happy it is in both Yiddish AND English. This way everyone is accommodated. You should be applauding.
Well said, Neville.
TLIK: That could only happen by transporting an equal quantity of Torah, chesed, poshute Yidden, Bnei Torah, Gedolei Yisroel, yeshivos, butei medrashim where you could walk and breath in as close as possible to an all-Jewish all-Torah all-Yidden environment.
In short, virtually impossible.
Virtually nothing could entice moving away from a large community of frum ehrliche Bnei Torah Yidden to a place with so much less of such.
Ivrit is the State of Israel’s official language but Loshon Kodesh (which is another language) hasn’t been the common spoken language of Klal Yisroel in thousands of years. It’s only been our written (not spoken) language since the end of Bayis Rishon.
” “50 percent of Sephardim do put on Tefillin”!!!!”
GHD: How’d they achieve a 50% rate? Is it the women or is it the children that brought it that high?
YO: You heard that from Avi Weiss at the Hebrew Institute of Riverdale?