Joseph

adocs: Because a guy and girl going out together isn’t something others should know (unless for tachlis), let alone see, since even though it is for tachlis of potential marriage and as such permitted, it isn’t for the world to know since it isn’t tznius outside of potential marriage.

It is the proper tzniusdik thing to take steps to avoid being seen with your date by acquaintances.

Why should we help the poor in Central America when our own poor in the United States needs that money (and more.)

I’m sorry for the misunderstanding. You looked famished so I switched the GPS from the park to the restaurant. I didn’t realize you’re anorexic until I saw your order at the eatery. Next time we’re going to the lobby and we’ll get soda.

Milhouse: What svoros? Is it a svara to say that if a Yid advocates overthrowing their national government (whether in Morocco, America, Iran or Germany) or advocates to lynch a local population or advocates to seize the property of the local goyin that he’s causing sakanas nefoshos?

Then why would you doubt that if Yidden advocated expelling the goyim in Eretz Yisroel, whether in the Zionist state or whether in the parts of Eretz Yisroel in Jordan and Lebanon, that he isn’t causing sakanas nefoshos in those areas by angering those goyim into attacking Yidden?

That’s exactly what the Zionists did pre and up through 1948. The Arabs killed and expelled the Yidden in Yerushalayim and in the Arab countries (Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, etc.)

“Says who? And on what basis?”

Because advocating that will put Yidden into sakanas nefoshos.

Milhouse: It is factually inaccurate that the Satmar Rebbe ever said or indicated that nochrim may not be anti-Zionist.

Definitely spend the money and same your neshoma.

KlugerYid is correct.

Ubiq, KY adequately answered the questions you posed. His point remains and is a strong argument that hasn’t (and can’t) be refuted.

Syag, lack of witnesses is a separate issue that doesn’t impact this point or discussion. We’re discussing the underlying punishment assuming the criteria for warning and witnesses has been met. That is a sufficient way in determining the severity of the crime. (If there are no witnesses to a murder, the murderer still committed one of the most severe crimes even though he might get away scot-free with murder. The underlying punishment for murder is the death penalty even if the murderer avoided it due to no witnesses.) In your example, had the victim been male it would be a capital offense, the most severe of all crimes.

We should be applauding the deportation of Israelis:

A. Yishuv Haaretz.

B. Free ticket home.

Where are all the Zionists (Avi K, takahmamash, etc.)?

CTL: Your Post # 1758052 proves you are NOT pro-immigrants. Rather you are simply anti-Trump. If Trump would propose allowing more immigrants, you’d find a pretext to opposed that too.

The Brisker R”Y said circumstances imposed by the Israeli government upon Bnei Torah living in Eretz Yisroel may compel us to move out to chutz l’aaretz to continue our Torah life.

DY: What is the halachic punishment for embarrassing someone?

WB Meno.

Phil: Your comment is ripe with incorrect characterizations and factual errors. But the main mistake of yours that needs to be corrected is your not being cognizant that the obligation to give tochacha is upon ever Jew in the world. Even those imperfect in whatever area.

Please read this thread to correct your knowledge:

The requirement for everyone to give Tochachah

Yeshivishrockstar: You clearly don’t understand what a troll is. You can’t agree with a troll since a troll, by definition, is posting insincere (and that’s the key) positions. Yet you state you agree with my position on women’s suffrage. Ubiq also tried that. He was sure no one, really no one, would agree with me on that “extreme” position. Yet even among the small number of currently active CR posters you aren’t the first or second person to voice agreement with me on just that “extreme” issue alone.

What you’re really trying to say is that I’m not such a tzaddik in accordance with the lifestyle of tzidkus that you feel I strongly advocate. Okay. I never claimed to be a tzaddik or to be perfect, in accordance with the ideal Torah positions I think and advocate we all should aim for. If I were a real tzaddik you are correct that I shouldn’t be on the internet altogether or at least as much. 100%. Nevertheless that doesn’t mean I should stop advocating the ideal Torah lifestyles just as your rebbeim who you said 100% agree with all my positions, non-ironically. I’m not ironic either, even if you feel I might be hypocritical sometimes. I truly believe it is the ideal Torah life. And I aim for it, even if I’m imperfect in succeeding.

To take a common example, can someone who is bittul zman not advocate that people not be bitul zman or at least do so less? Can someone who uses unreliable hechsherim not admit he is wrong, even if he has trouble stopping himself, and publicly advocate that people stick to reliable hechsherim? Can someone who embezzled not advocate that people be law abiding and not steal?

Ubiq: You’re grasping on straws here. I also once posted that I prefer chicken cooked rather than fried. I’m surprised you haven’t yet used that as another proof that the mainstream view among Rebbeim in Litvish yeshivos isn’t always like me, since there’s no consensus on how to consume a chicken. Or that since I posted in 2016 that I voted for Ted Cruz in the presidential primaries, surely you’ll use that as further proof since that wasn’t necessarily the mainstream view among Rebbeim in Litvish yeshivos on who to vote for.

What’s this harping of yours about women’s suffrage? That’s my political opinion, not necessarily halachic opinion. In any event nitpicking on this individual view or that individual view that I posted in no way, shape or form disputes what Yeshivishrockstar pointed out. (And note that Yeshivishrockstar admits to himself being more liberal on Jewish/religious issues, yet nevertheless makes this observation.) That there are many mainstream rebbeim, rabbonim and members of the hamon hoam who overall and generally agree with my entire worldview and hashkafos. Even if you can cite a small number of exceptions that don’t have a widespread consensus.

Yeshivishrockstar: Your suggestion would necessitate seriously reducing the time available for Limudei Kodesh, something very objectionable to many if not most parents.

Also, please check the thread “A Study in Trolls”; there’s a question there for you.

That depends whether he’s a minor child or an adult child.

Yeshivishrockstar: “It doesn’t help when you have Rebbeim in in Litvish yeshivos making snide comments about other groups and insinuating that “their” derech is the only way to serve Hashem. (Joseph may be a top-notch troll, but I have had Rebbeim who would have agreed with him on everything – only nonironically – and would feel that all those who disagree with them are not on the true derech. As an aside, all those Rebbeim who shared that attribute were all graduates of one specific yeshiva.)”

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If several of your Rebbeim agree with me about everything, what convinces you I’m trolling? (I’m not.)

2. Perhaps I too am from that “one specific yeshiva”. Or, perhaps, <gasp>, I’m one of your rebbeim.

This is no way acknowledges any correctness in any aspect of your comment.

Of course it is mesira. That’s like asking whether chazer is treif.

And there’s nothing wrong with an employer changing future terms of employment, in any event.

Grey matter: Thank you. That particular assertion was only rhetorical in response to N9N’s directly opposite assertion; in order to force him to defend his incorrect position.

N9N: Actually Ashkenazic is closer to the Second Beis HaMikdash practices. Sefardic pronounciation was selected by the anti-religious Ben-Yehuda for Ivrit. Israel is 51%/49% Ashkenazic/Sefardic according to the Israeli Bureau of Statistics and the Ashkenazic secular elite dominate Israeli culture and politics.

Also see my comment to YO.

YO: The opposite is happening. Sefardim have been Ashkenazisizing for decades already. In dress, in Yeshiva and in just about everything else.