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Mochel Loch, Mochel Loch, Mochel Loch.
Meno,
Have you ever heard of NYPD issuing a ticket for Jay walking? I heard of it once. The officer was reassigned as a punishment.
The Israeli police are well known to be violent thugs.
CA, it took you over four days to respond to me. So you have no taaina when it takes the mods six hours to approve posts.
Again, if the driver is sitting in his car while blocking the driveway while parked in front of it on the public street, he is fully within his legal rights to do so and does not need anyone’s permission. He has to be ready to move when asked. He’s on public property, not private property.
The same is true about a driver legally being permitted to block a fire hydrant if he’s in the driver’s seat ready to move it.
APY: Ehrlicher Yidden don’t have pets. Those who have pets takah wouldn’t appreciate an ehrlicher type of paper.
LOT112: Do you leave the FJJ where it was thrown without permission?
Yated started out long after Hamodia in Eretz Yisroel. Presumably the naysayers here would advocate that the Yated should never have started in the first place as it was a response to their machlokes with the original Hamodia.
CA, should the mods pay be docked 25% for every day they are slow in approving posts?
The same people who by shitta do not vote in Zionist elections (and they are halachicly required to continue practicing and upholding that shitta as per the psak of their rabbonim) also will refuse to enlist in the Zionist army and refuse to teach their children Israeli core education requirements.
Even if the Zionist pass a law requiring it. Does anyone imagine it won’t be ignored and disregarded? I think everyone knows, especially the secular Zionist and lawmakers, that it’ll be ignored.
“And if you want to be nice you can let him block it.”
Blocking a driveway (meaning physically the vehicle is on the public road/public property) while sitting in the driver’s seat and ready to move it (if the owner needs to pull in or out) is completely legal to do even without the owner’s permission or desire.
In your driveway itself or do you mean blocking your driveway while sitting in the car on the street in front of your property?
How/when did it disappear?
Is hand over heart chukas hagoyim?
manitou (…continued):
Anyway, the following is R. Teichtel’s explanation of why The Minchas Elozor was against “Yishuv HaAretz”. I promise I am not making this up:
First, he tries to establish that whether the redemption will come miraculously or slowly and naturally depends on whether Moshiach’s coming will be because we “deserve it” (“zachah”) – in which case it will be miraculous, or because Hashem sent it to us despite our not deserving it, in which case it will be natural. Then he says, quote:
“And with this we have an open response to the entire objection of our master and rebbi, the holy scholar, the Minchas Elozor ZT”L of Munkatch, regarding being involved with building the land. For I myself was one of his group, and I knew that his entire objection was base don the fact that the redemption is going to come miraculously, not naturally … But his honor remains intact, for he on his high level believed that the entire world is on the high level where they deserve Moshiach, like he was. But the truth is that this last generation, unfortunately, not deserving of Moshiach, and therefore the redemption will come couched in natural methods.” – Aim Habanim Semechah p.98
I promise I did not make that up. In other words, the Minchas Elozor mistakenly and naively thought the whole world was Tzadikim like he was, but in reality he didn’t understand that the world doesn’t really deserve Moshiach.
Now never mind how R. Teichtel decided he can judge the world and decide whether they deserve Moshiach or not; never mind that he has not one Halachic shred of evidence to back up this position of his; but to say that the Minchas Elozor naively looked at the whole world as much more righteous than they actually are, as deserving of redemption when in fact they don’t deserve it, is beyond ludicrous. It’s downright absurd, and for anyone who knows anything about the Minchas Elozor, totally dishonest. If there was one person in the past hundred years who we would say is not guilty of over rating the world, it could very well be the Minchas Elozor. If he’s not first on the list, he’s second.
And to attribute such an attitude to him of all people, is nothing less than the stuff of la la land. And that’s besides the arrogance of saying that he is more able to discern how deserving Klal Yisroel is of greeting Moshiach than the Minchas Elozor. This is a Halachic treatise? Nope. Sorry. It would have been one thing if they would have left it as a sermon or a drush, but because the Zionists don’t really have any serious Halachic backing, they took this sefer and made it something of an icon. It’s a big pity.
BTW, R. Teichtel’s sefer comes without any Haskomos (approbations) form anybody. But he did want Haskomos, so what he did was – I am not making this up either, I promise – he took Haskomos out of another sefer, and printed them in his sefer, saying that the Haskomos would certainly apply to his sefer too, since the two seforim generally say the same things. But none of the rabbis of his time – not a single one – wrote him a haskama.
Another note: Aim HaBanim Semechah speaks basically about building the land. The topic of creating a sovereign state – which was the major objection to Zionism – is almost completely ignored. Perhaps this is what the Lubavitcher Rebbe meant (told to the author’s son, quoted in the introduction, p. 21 ) when he told the son of author to “publicize that your father was a G-d fearing Jew who was far away from Zionism”. I would think this is because in his sefer he never argues in favor of a Jewish State, but rather in favor of building up the land.
manitou:
Aim HaBanim Semecha doesn’t contain anything new. It’s a collection of all the old Zionist arguments that have long been disproven. The truth is, his position stood no chance to begin with, because even though R. Teichtel was a talmid chacham, he was opposing the collective Torah knowledge of the greatest Torah giants, including but not limited to Rav Chaim Brisker, Rav Samson Raphael Hirsh, The Chofetz Chaim, the Rogachover Gaon, The Lubavitcher Rebbe (Rashab), the Belzer Rebbe (R. Yisachar Dov), the Chazon Ish, the Brisker Rav, Rav Chaim Ozer Grodzensky, all who were opposed to Zionism and the creation of a State. So he was really quite outgunned from the start. The most extensive work on this topic is of course the Satmar Rav’s Vayoel Moshe, which disproves just about every Zionist “proof” ever conceived.
Aim HaBanim Semecha is not even taken seriously outside of Zionist circles, because it is mostly emotional sermons and discourses (droshos), rather than a serious Halachic analysis. It’s an emotional outcry in response to the holocaust (he dates the introduction Parshas Tetzaveh 1943) and its clear that he was talking out of desperation for finding a safe haven for Jews, which many felt Eretz Yisroel would be. He confuses his personal feelings with Halachic methodology, Rebbishe vertlach with Halachic rulings, and so is not at all compelling.
Example: On page 147 he addresses a powerful statement in Ahavas Yonason by R. Yonason Eyebuschitz ZT”L that it is absolutely prohibited for Jews to take over Eretz Yisroel before Moshiach, even if all the nations want them to, which is kind of a problem for a religious Zionist like R. Teichtel. This is his response: “You should understand that the words of Rav Yonason only apply when there is no sign from heaven that we should all abandon the lands of Chutz Laaretz, meaning, when Jews can live peacefully outside of Eretz Yisroel … but not nowadays, when the words of the prophet came true, [that Jews will be hunted down by goyim]. So when the nations give us permission to return to our land, can there be any doubt that it is the will of Hashem that we return to Eretz Yisroel? I am certain, that if Rav Yonason Eyebushitz was living with us today and saw the terrible golus that we endure, he himself would say to us: ‘Brother Jews! The time has come for you to go to Eretz Yisroel, for this is the will of Hashem, for it is not coincidence what has happened to us in Golus, but rather it is the finger of G-d pointing to us to rise from golus…”
Ok. Now, of course, even in the days of Rav Yonason (about 250 years ago) Jews were persecuted, and all throughout Golus they were, too. Yet R. Teichtel decided that he knows how to quantify the measure of suffering that Jews are expected to tolerate in Golus, and what on the other hand is a “sign from Hashem” for them to return. He decided that he can read Hashem’s signs and that this, for sure, is what our suffering means. Where did he get this scale? Nowhere. He decided it on his own. He and only he decided that this “sign from Hashem” tells us that the Golus is over.
Well, he can read whatever he wants into “signs from Hashem,” but this “sign from Hashem” has no Rashi or Tosfos to tell us how to interpret it. Nor did Hashem tell him how to read history, nor does he have any sources that his is the proper reading. Since when do we pasken sheailos based on personal feelings? It’s a nice sermon, but Halachicly it means nothing. Yet to him, not only is it Halachicly binding on everyone, but it “there is no longer any room for doubt”.
And it gets much, much, worse. This attitude that “everyone has to interpret the world the way I do” often passes the line into the realm of the absurd. On page 98 he deals with the Minchas Elozor, who was a vehement opponent of Zionism. He was vehemently critical in general, actually, when it came to protecting the Torah. And nobody was beyond his scrutiny. Here are some quotes:
“ ’Whoever becomes an leader in this world becomes evil in the next world’ (Rambam, Tur). The world explains this to refer to the lay leaders, like presidents of congregations, which in many congregations this is true. But if we’re going to talk about our generation and our days, it can be referring to the Rabbonim as well, unfortunately …” – Divrei Torah III:47
“ ‘Whevener there are Reshaim in the world, there is suffering in the world. Who are Reshaim? The robbers.’ (Sanhedrin 113b). This is referring to the fake leaders who “rob” the truth form the people, because they act like Tzadikim and act for their own benefit. They prevent the redemption. Hashem should save us from them.” – ibid 58
“There are Rebbes (“admorim”) who are fakers, they make believe they are Tzadikim, are meyached yichudim, and dress like Rebbes or rabbis. This is all the doing of the Satan in order to bring the public (followers) to sin” – ibid V:82
“The reason why Jews in Germany can learn heresy and still remain religious is because they are like the people who are immune to poison because they are used to drinking it and so have so much of it in their system. So too the German Jews, they are soused to the poison of secularism since they are habituated in it from childhood little by little, that this does not hurt them. That is why they are immune to the bad influence of the Mizrachi and the Agudah as well.” – ibid IV:93
“’And you shall love your neighbor like yourself’ – this means, just like there are different parts of you that you care about more – for instance, you care more about heaving your head than your feet – so too we love the Tzadikim more than we do others. The lowest level is those who are like our fingernails, also part of us, but we clip them off and discard them. These people too are like fingernails that need to be separated from the rest of us, and this is for the benefit of Klall Yisroel.” – ibid II:39
5 World Trade Center
What’s news here? They’ve been against it since 1948. Just like Brisk.
The book you mentioned isn’t anything serious or halachic.
As no one addressed my above point regarding intermarriage versus nidda, it is fair to say that everyone agrees with it.
Rabbosai, Elul!
In the 12th year of this thread I once again humbly ask for all your forbearance and forgiveness for all slights real and perceived.
Which raises the question of how Yidden can rely on *any* hechsher on a non-Jewish food product considering that even inadvertently placing a kosher symbol on non-kosher food products can and do occur. Whether the symbol is OU, OK or other national hechsherim. And it surely does lead to Yidden r”l eating non-kosher.
Cuomo rigged the contest in favor of the plate design showing Cuomo Bridge. All the other designs were fairly similar to each other, with the bridge with his namesake the standout.
HaGaon HaRav Aharon Schechter shlita published a letter supporting Lehovin.
Milhouse: NYC tap water has less than a 10% likelihood of having an insect in a drink. Why then do the hechsherim still insist it be filtered?
“If it doesn’t affect the taste then it’s not a problem. if someone ordering vanilla got some chocolate in it, they’d complain. So the rinsing must be good enough to prevent that. Tell me why that should not be good enough for kashrus purposes.”
And I’m sure every now and then a Baskin Robbins customer does complain that it is a bit off flavor due to an inadvertent mix. And gets a new cone (free) to replace it.
You’re okay with a Jew every now and then getting a little treif flavor?
“Older single women are more likely to maintain a high spiritual level than older single men.”
What evidence do you have of this? I don’t believe it holds water.
“If it’s good enough for customers who don;t want any chocolate in their vanilla, why shouldn’t it be good enough for us?”
If a tiny amount of strawberry flavor remains in a customers request for vanilla flavor ice cream that the average customer won’t mind or notice, that’s sufficiently indicates that if a tiny amount of non-kosher ice cream remains in a Jewish customers request for a kosher flavor that it is okay to eat?
Sam: Can we use the Artscroll Gemora app for Android at the Siyum?
“Incidentally do you know of any discussions regarding which is worse intermarriage or marrying someone who won’t keep taharas hamishpacha.”
By intermarriage a kanoi can kill them; by nidda they are chyaiv misa bdei shamayim.
Lowering the age of marriage will lower the divorce rate not raise it. As singles get older and being unmarried start having unrealistic meshgasim about what they expect from marriage and a spouse, and are then disappointed when their fantasies are unrealized; whereas marrying younger and more innocent before developing those unhealthy expectations will enhance their marriage that they started earlier in their lives.
Look at the Chasidish and Eretz Yisroel divorce rate (where they marry younger) compared to the non-Chasidish/non Eretz Yisroel divorce rate (where the average age at marriage is a bit higher). The former have a lower rate of divorce.
I’m available in case no one else volunteers.
This crazy thing of family members wearing a gown being a standard required across frum society at wedding only developed in the last 15 years or so.
Before that you would very commonly find sisters and mothers of the bride and groom not wearing gowns.
Milhouse, is the assumption of “surely” sufficient?
(And do they even have a separate scoop for each of their 25 flavors?)
That isn’t a compatibility problem; it is a mathematical problem. There are simply more girls than boys, overall, in shidduchim.
They use the same scoop for the kosher flavors as they use for the non-kosher flavors.
bk613: “I would imagine all the Rabbonim who signed the various Kol Koreah encouraging boys to date at 21 are opposed to them dating at 18.”
That’s an assumption (or as you put it yourself, your “imagination”) and a wrong one at that. The current standard in the hamon hoam is 22-23. By encouraging 21 they’re seeking to encourage younger marriages in a manner that they feel the hamon hoam might listen. If they encourage an immediate jump from 23 to 18 they know they’ll be ignored.
But that doesn’t demonstrate they oppose 18. I note you’ve still failed to answer the simple question of naming *any* Litvish Gedolim that are on the record as opposing marriage at 18.
There are none.
But maybe you know better than Chazal.
Philosopher: The glut of extra Chasidishe boys can marry the glut of extra Litvishe girls. This trend is also happening somewhat and has picked up over the last decade or more.
Leiby and KlugerYid: Excellent comments.
Yossel P: And what’s the (non-)excuse for working boys or for anyone else not in yeshiva learning? Or for girls, for that matter.
bk613: I don’t know of a single Litvish godol in the world that ever said not to get married at 18. If you know of any please advise who.
In my Torah I see that Chazal wrote Shemona Esrei L’Chuppa.
Does anyone else have a different version? Or does anyone know better than Chazal and decided to disregard them?
Syag, as usual you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. You keep saying you don’t fully understand New York’s new law and that as such you don’t have an opinion on it. Yet you keep disputing my points about NY’s new law that you know little of its finer details.
huju: You continue to ignore the answers you were provided to the point you keep spouting. No. All it takes is one lawsuit to bankrupt a school. You don’t need “many”, just one.
Whether the allegations of what happened 60 years ago, or 40 or 20 years ago, are true or false. Even if the administration, faculty, parent body and student body has long changed five times over since that unprovable allegation of a decades ago event. Where even the alleged perpetrator may be long deceased. Yet the big bucks can’t come from a deceased or lower middle class elderly former teacher living on retirement, so instead they try to take away the school from the innocent children today attending it.
GIYF
smerel: Bingo! You surmised the situation very concisely, accurately and to the point.
Charlie is a member of Weiss’ HIR Temple in the Bronx.
Congratulations to B&W if they win! Hopefully the Chareidim will make a deal with B&W.
Charlie: As an Open Orthodox adherent of Mr. Avi Weiss you may believe what you just wrote has repealed Halacha and replaced it with non-Jewish laws. But we Torah Jews still believe in and keep the Torah and all its laws. To the exclusion of conflicting gentle laws, as our Torah directs us to.
Torah is stronger than any rain.