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It’s called South since Lakewood is South from Brooklyn (the original.)
ZD, you needn’t believe every piece of sheker about vacations, or anything else for that matter, just because some newspaper claimed it happened.
ZD, Rav Chaim also said it’s better to daven at home with a hat rather than davening in a Minyan without a hat. Do you follow the Godol HaDor on that too or only on things you pick and choose to follow?
GHD, we Yidden are used to being Moser Nefesh for the Torah HaKedosha and bearing with your kin throwing us in prison. For example when your predecessors threw the Maharam M’Rottenberg in prison, the Mitteler Rebbe in prison and so many other gedolei yisroel who were jailed throughout the centuries. Not to mention all those who hid from the Russian cantonist authorities, dodging the draft, resulting in many yiddishe kinder being imprisoned.
It’s an amazingly strong point from the Torah about how important a wife’s obligations to her husband is that it even is stronger than her obligations to her parents. So much so that the Torah overrides her obligations of Kibud Av V’Eim in order to put her husband first. This is even though Kibud Av V’Eim is not only a d’oraisa but it is one of the Aseres Hadibros. Nevertheless she is exempt from it.
Meno, what aspects make a chosson shmooze good (or not so good)?
Sukkot? Etrog? You’re Sephardic?
FPOTUS:
You won’t be the first Coffee Room regular to get published in Mishpacha or Ami:
Again, not just “priority” but rather she’s completely exempt from Kibud Av V’Eim unless her husband elects to release her from her exemption. Azoi zugt der Mechaber.
Consider the term divorce to be a four letter word that nobody is allowed to even mouth or say in your house and marriage.
And remember (in the back of your mind) that divorce is usually worse than a problematic marriage.
You mentioned that he allows you to call them on their birthdays and cash the checks they send. Did you install a phone and mailbox in har menuchos?
I believe we need laws providing special civil right protections for homo sapiens.
adocs: Aside from being wrong as S”A exactly says that they are “exempt”, your inane contention is as if someone told you that “You must eat kosher” and you responded “Under all circumstances? Without exception? I’m pointing out that your absolute statement as stated, was incorrect since you can eat treif for a pikuach nefesh situation.” When I told you “One must obey their mother”, that is the rule in Halacha.
Syag: Please also tell him that the Rambam (Hilchos Ishus 13:11) paskens that he should permit you to go out once or twice a month to visit your parents and/or friends, not just call them.
מקום שדרכן שלא תצא אשה לשוק בכפה שעל ראשה בלבד עד שיהיה עליה רדיד החופה את כל גופה כמו טלית נותן לה בכלל הכסות רדיד הפחות מכל הרדידין. ואם היה עשיר נותן לה לפי עשרו כדי שתצא בו לבית אביה או לבית האבל או לבית המשתה. לפי שכל אשה יש לה לצאת ולילך לבית אביה לבקרו ולבית האבל ולבית המשתה לגמול חסד לרעותיה או לקרובותיה כדי שיבואו הם לה. שאינה בבית הסוהר עד שלא תצא ולא תבוא. אבל גנאי הוא לאשה שתהיה יוצאה תמיד פעם בחוץ פעם ברחובות. ויש לבעל למנוע אשתו מזה ולא יניחנה לצאת אלא פעם אחת בחודש או כמה פעמים בחודש לפי הצורך. שאין יופי לאשה אלא לישב בזוית ביתה שכך כתוב כל כבודה בת מלך פנימה:
adocs: This is the text from the Shulchan Aruch:
Shulchan Aruch (Y.D. 240:17): Both men and women are equal in being required to honor and fear their parents. However, the woman does not have the ability to fulfill this Mitzvah because she is subservient to her husband. Therefore, she is exempt from the Mitzvah of honoring her father and mother while she is married. If she gets divorced or widowed she is obligated.
The Shach adds: It would seem that she is obligated if the husband is not makpid.
Syag: Your above sarcasm seem to be derisive of what the Halacha states.
So long as she isn’t instructing you to do something that is kneged halacha.
The one exception in halacha cited in Shulchan Aruch is a wife is required to obey her husband before her parents, hence on that basis a married woman is exempt from Kibud Av V’Eim unless her husband wants her to obey them.
Mishpacha and Ami.
Syag is simply in denial that Gedolei Yisroel initiated these protests. She has a habit of speaking falsehoods and putting words in other’s mouths. Falsely accusing others of anything from being a molester, child abuser, violent spouse or teacher is one of her hallmarks. She has a sordid history of making such accusations not only against people who are acquitted of them but even against those who were never charged. It is her modus operandi in pushing her agenda against frum Jews, who are inevitably her victims of false allegations, as anything alleged against gentiles she’s suddenly all skeptical about. Unfortunately this is part of the remnants of her being raised in an MO family where Chareidim are looked upon with disdain, suspicion and much worse. She never fully let go of these sad hashkafas.
In Israel polite protests that don’t inconvenience those who we want the message to be heard by are completely ineffective and a waste of time. The State of Israel isn’t like America and Europe when it comes to responding to the pain of protesters. Tht Zionists couldn’t care, and would laugh off, a protest against the draft by half a million Chareidim who got a protest permit to politely walk or stand on the sidewalk.
Might as well as stay home, accept the draft, leave Yeshiva and either enlist or go to jail.
interjection: The Ran in Nedarim clearly paskens that ever Jew has an absolute right to live in Eretz Yisroel and that the Halacha of Dina D’Malchusa Dina does not apply in Eretz Yisroel.
TLIK: Do you know what civil disobedience is?
DY: I haven’t said you did. You merely provided a literary assistance.
What point we’re you trying to make with that line?
That Syag was dismissive of the fact that Gedolim support the protests by writing them off as fanatics. (I had used the term too frum.)
Syag: Yes, it supported the point I made.
TLIK: As I explained at length a number of times in this thread, Civil Disobedience is acceptable under the circumstances.
bk613, that’s fair enough. You’d be entitled to criticize them and they might, on the same token, criticize you for not supporting their efforts.
The non-contextual videos of however many seconds long only shows the protesters reacting to the violence heaped upon them by the authorities — prior to any of them engaging in any altercation with anyone. The part where the uniformed officers started a fight with the peaceful protesters is omitted from the video you are presented by outlets that made editorial choices in what to inform you and what to omit.
Yes, that’s a much better word, thank you.
“that is one of those dumb “Rabbi, am I allowed to beat my wife on Shabbos?” questions”
No, that reply is a “Those guys are too frum for me, so it can’t be true” comment.
bk613, putting aside your mischaracterization of the protests, if you are presented with unassailable proof that Gedolim called for these protests, what will your reaction be? Will you denounce those Gedolim shlit”a?
Yekke — I’m still waiting to hear your question for me.
Winnie, if you acknowledge and accept they’re following the instructions of their Gedolim to not register, why aren’t you able to similarly acknowledge they are also following Gedolim’s instructions to protest?
Where should we grab a coffee from this time?
Typical communist religious-haters.
The 7 day week comes from us Jews.
The Chofetz Chaim had ruach hakodesh, to take one recent example.
One must obey their mother.
Better than horse and buggy.
It is muttar to ignore and disregard government laws set against Jewish practices.
Takes2, after expressing your apikorsus in the other thread where you disagreed with Hashem’s prescribed punishment in the Torah for the issue you brought up there, you’re now making false claims as to what occurred at the protest.
It relates to understanding the original meaning of the Amendment.
The only hypocrisy here are by those who condemn Peleg but refuse to condemn the civil disobedience by the Gush Katif and other Israeli settlers, Mr. Kahane and the JDL, etc. You, Phil, are not guilty of this hypocrisy as the others are. But it was worthwhile pointing out that they (not you) are condemning those they consider to be too frum for protesting while ignoring others who they philosophically are more in tune with. Hence my asking them to condemn Kahane, JDL, Kach, Avi Weiss, OO and the others who get themselves arrested for various endeavors they protest. From their expressed position they should have condemned those, but haven’t. From my consistent position, as expressed in my previous comment, I correctly and authentically speak in favor of Peleg for the aforementioned reasons.
Where you are wrong, Phil, is in falsely insinuating any form of violence by these Bnei Torah who are simply carrying out the instructions their Gedolei HaTorah advised them. They are peaceful protesters.
lowerourtuition11210: I respect your right to disagree.
My position is (and has been) very clear. Civil disobedience is only okay when a) the cause being fought for is just and represents a serious failing by the authorities and b) the alternatives have been proven ineffective. What this means is that most instances of civil disobedience is wrong because they fail at least one of the points. For example BLM (failing Point “A”), Kach and JDL (both failing Point “B”). On the other hand, it is my strong belief that Peleg meets both Points “A” and “B”. Therefore they are left with no alternative but to engage in civil disobedience.
It is also worth noting that civil disobedience is not uncommon for political and religious leaders as well as law abiding activists in the United States and other countries to engage in.
That all being said, even when civil disobedience is justified, initiating a physical altercation with authority figures (or others) is not. That having been said, and despite the non-contextual partial clips lasting however many seconds out of a much longer interaction, I’m aware of no evidence of any protester initiating a physical altercation (where the other party hadn’t first physically engaged in with that protester or any other protester.) To summarize, if a protester had initiated such engagement, that protester (to the exclusion of the others) committed a condemnable action.
Phil, do you condemn Meir Kahane for the thuggery that landed him in jail multiple times?
The English language has evolved from the time the Amendment was written through today.
seeker123: Thank you. (I generally ignore those kind of immaterial attacks. Especially, as I knew, he was making a greater dolt of himself with that error that highlighted his overall uncouthness.)
“Say there is a treifa that has a 10% prevalence in cows. The Halcah is thsi is a miut sheino matzi and we dont check. That means (statistically) if you eat meat from 10 different cows you ate meat that had a treifa.”
That point is statistically incorrect. (This comment is only about the statistics.)
That’s hogwash. Nothing of that sort was said, implied or is factual.
Are you opposed to folks like Meir Kahane and his thugs in Kach and the JDL? Mr. Kahane was arrested numerous times both in the US and Israel for his actions, and indeed was sentenced to imprisonment in both countries for many months each time, in both countries. So were many of his gangsters in the JDL and Kach. He broke the car window of the British Foreign Minister (in the US) and engaged in various other violent activities.
Are you willing to right now raise your voce right here in the CR and state you condemn them for their thuggery?
Repeal it and move on.
Tom, the absurdness of your declaring Talmidei Chachomim far greater than you, who have concluded it is not techeilus, that “their statements are based on false arguments and ignorance… they are spoken too quickly and without accuracy” based upon what ” is apparent to me from my research” is beyond description.