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CTL, obviously you must have lower-end kashrus standards if the restaurant he takes the girl to will inform him if it is acceptable to her. If he took her to a restaurant with a higher-end, more universally accepted, kashrus standards obviously it wouldn’t inform him if her kashrus standards are lower.
Wolf: If you were not an introvert (and felt more comfortable rebuking someone for talking in shul since you’re very scrupulous about that) would you feel comfortable rebuking someone for eating non-kosher, since you’re very scrupulous about that too?
On OOT unpaved roadways and sidewalks? I’d venture its more likely if it is even walkable rather than requiring a car, which can be avoided in town. (Besides, the falling itself being a sidepoint merely demonstrating the beautiful nature of in town life and the everyday common chesed that is found every moment, ongoing, 24/7 without notice and on the fly.)
But you needn’t be jealous. You, too, can move to the great metropolis of Jewish life and you’ll meet up with many of your former OOTers who moved here long ago.
There must be very very good reasons so many of Acheinu Bnei Yisroel chose to move to in town after stifling OOT.
Chasidish girls use the same Chasidish havara as boys. Yeshivish girls user the same havara as their brothers, for the most part.
i’m starting to get the picture that mik5 is one of those teens Joseph was able to influence.
Can’t believe I missed that for over a day.
Thanks for the compliment! Though I suspect he’s well over his teenage years and developed his proper hashkafos without my input.
My Swiss bank account is a numbered account with no name attached.
Lesozavodsk, Russia
Founded 1924
Damascus, Syria
Almost 3,000 years of a Jewish community
On this topic, has anyone else noticed a tendency in the NY area for agencies that supply these therapies to very very strongly push children to get these services – even when the child doesn’t necessarily need it?
What accounts for the oversupply of OT, and other similar therapists, in the NYC and Lakewood area, that not all can find positions? (As I understand it.)
Ibtin, Israel
Bedouin village
Regarding general online comments versus giving individual private rebuke… giving tochacha needs diplomacy – “V’ohavtoh l’raiachoh komochoh”, then – “v’lo sisoh olov chait”.
Macho’oh, on the other hand, works differently. That applies to something like Chillul Hashem (i.e. saying an aveira is not an aveira or someone publicly committing an aveira, etc.), where it is not done for the sake of the individual, but for the sake of Kovod Shomayim, where dealing coolly, or even appearing as such, only intensifies the Chillul Hashem as it demonstrates a lack of empathy for Hashem’s Kovod and Kovod HaTorah.
gavra – what makes it difficult to pass the actuarial exam, that most fail?
(I think most applicants taking the bar exam, and that means they already graduated from years of law school, also fail the bar.)
DY is my alter-ego…
It’s eating by a nephew considered to be mishing?
A better one would have a panel of judges, learned in law, judge the case, rather than a panel of laymen unlearned, potentially homeless or alcoholics jurors being paid $40/day wanting nothing more than to be done with it the sooner the better. And if a quick guilty verdict helps them not miss their favorite TV sitcom or finally get back to their $9/hour construction job instead of this involuntary $5/hour court service, render the verdict ASAP is what they’ll do, justice be darned.
Josh, the reality in the US of A is that the law mandates reasonable accommodation of their sincerely held religious beliefs, including precluding work on their day of rest.
The reality is also that both ConEd and the MTA employ a significant number of observant Jews in a broad array of positions that require 24/7 coverage, including bus drivers, train conductors and power plant operators, and permit them not only to take off every Shabbos but to leave early enough to prepare for Shabbos b’kavodik.
SL: I enumerated what the Halacha is on tochacha and provided the halachic source. Are you disagreeing what the Halacha is based on your halachic expertise, in which case kindly cite your source, or based on your gut feelings what the Halacha on tochacha is or should be?
As an aside, I was not referring to the ft forum. But what I can tell you with authority is that that particular forum has indeed saved many many people from continuing from a path of aveiras. And you needn’t rely on my authority to confirm this fact. Rabbi Yitzchok Adlerstein (a centrist/MO rabbi) wrote a full length glowing article in OU’s Jewish Action magazine extolling how many young people that forum saved from the brink of spiritual destruction. And he acknowledged it’s straight and hard approach to expressing the Halacha – and he acknowledged all this despite his noting he disagreed with its anti-Zionism, which he noted was a separate issue.
As far as myself, I’ve been thanked directly by multiple folks for online direction I’ve posted on various issues where people were on the wrong path.
SL: If even one person in the whole world reconsidered watching one movie, or refrained only one time from doing only one tiny sin, based on the generic comments – while everyone else reading it was angry at the rebuke, then not only was it halachicly correct but it is furthermore a total success that was well worth it.
And, indeed, I think it is fair to say that it is possible that someone, somewhere, someplace, at some time now or in the future reading this thread will reconsider their habit of watching sinful movies. Maybe just once. Maybe for a lifetime. Maybe this week. Maybe in a year from now. Maybe just once. Maybe permanently.
And since that is even a possibility of happening – once – even though it may never happen that someone reconsiders, since it is possible, that alone means that it is not only halachicly correct to give the rebuke but, rather, it is halachicly mandatory to give it.
Though, imho, I think it is likely to have a beneficial effect on at least someone, at least once.
I say so with the authority of having had more than one confirmed success in this arena.
Yes. I’ve told people who watched movies that it is an aveira and more than one stopped.
When is the deadline to apply?
Yes, all the people watching movies are sinners.
So working in a Consolidated Edison power plant or driving a Metropolitan Transportation Authority bus, Monday through Friday in New York, is chillul Shabbos?
Avi, I specifically specified an all-Jewishly owned corporation and specifically excluded a partially Jewish owned corporation. Your comment is pertinent to a mixed Jewish/Gentile owned corporation. An all Jewishly owned corporation is surely prohibited from the activities you cited.
CTL: Halacha doesn’t recognize the concept of a corporation as being a unique person different than its principal. If the corporation is fully owned by a Jew or Jews, it would have the same halachic obligation as a Jew or Jews would have. (It is a trickier question when it is only partially owned by Jews.)
Avi, 1) A plaintiff has the right to a jury trial even if the defendant wants a non-jury trial. 2) A non-jury trial isn’t any better halachicly than a jury trial. 3) The plaintiff can utilize the courts even if the defendant would rather an ADR. 4) Even if both litigants agreed to use the secular courts, it is still generally assur to do so and they must use a beis din.
Both litigants did not agree to be adjudicated by them. Once the plaintiff files the lawsuit, the defendent hasn’t a choice but to respond to the secular court.
flatbusher: Watching movies is an aveira whether someone thinks so or not.
CTL: The Secretary of State is responsible for implementing security policies that provide for the protection of all U.S. Government personnel on official duty abroad.
Absolutely.
What is your favorite tasting grape juice brand?
I’m so used to Kedem that anything else tastes unusual.
That’s at odds with numerous success cases of folks doing teshuva after my tochacha. In real life, no less. But in any event, as the Sefer HaChinuch says, if it doesn’t work privately then it is to be done publicly.
Giving tochacha is an obligation every Jew has to give to every Jewish brother when he’s sinning. Halachicly. Required. The only exception, according to halacha, is if you know with certainty it will not work and it will backfire. If there’s even a slight chance it might be helpful it is halachicly obligatory to reprimand. Privately and sweetly at first and publicly if the private admonition failed. That is Hashem’s rule.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/stop-minding-your-own-buisness
See Rambam Rotzaiach 1:1
Are you supporting my point? The Rambam specifies who he is referring to.
By default, halacha refers to situations between Jews unless otherwise specified.
Check the Halacha on rodef/nirdaf and you see it is referring to the Halacha between Yehudim. Which sources are you using when you earlier cited Halacha regarding rodef/nirdaf?
It sure beats a bunch of idiots yelling each other down in what’s supposed to be a dignified parliament.
Grape juice is a shelf item, which should costs less, while orange juice is a refrigerated item.
Sam, you’re correctly describing rodef/nirdaf as applicable between yehudim. Only. If an aino yehudi is planning to kill a yehudi he has a different status than a yehudi who is planning (but not actively running after) to kill another yehudi.
The sources you’re utilizing for rodef/nirdaf is specifically discussing between yehudim.
We’re moving to America, land of the free and home of the brave.
The whole jury system is absurd. A bunch of drunkards who know the law as well as they know the outer galaxies and a system that mandates inclusion of even the most incompetents of society is an unjust system.
The jurors just want to get home and away from their $40/day mandatory gig. And if issuing a verdict is getting in their way and causing them to miss their favorite TV sitcom, they’ll just render the quickest verdict rather than appropriately deliberate.
Simcha, I think the standards of shfichus damim and determining what is necessary or unnecessary lethal force differs between the two.
Sam: I didn’t say it was muttar. I said the standards to determine whether it is muttar or assur are different than if it is a yehudi.
akuperma: There’s several problems with what you espoused. First, dina d’malchusa does not override halacha, when halacha is different than secular law, when it pertains to matters between yehudim. Secondly, and even more important, Jews are generally prohibited from using secular courts and are obligated to rather use beis din. This prohibition is applicable even if both Jewish parties to the case agree to use secular court rather than beis din. And another Jew cannot be party to the process of other Jews violating this severe prohibition.
Also, how the “facts” are determined in a secular court differ with how the facts are ascertained in beis din. (i.e. admissible evidence, testimony, witnesses, etc.)
It is halachicly impermissible to sit on a jury case between two yehudim. And it is impracticable to sit on a case with even one yehudi party, unless you will be able to judge in accordance with halacha (which is highly improbable.) By a case between two yehudim you cannot participate as a judge/juror even if you will rule in accordance with halacha.
Queen: You weren’t born into a chasidish family?
Sam: If it is impermissible in both cases, the penalty for a Jew who did this is unarguably different.
You can teach/learn a trade without college.
Avi, the halachas apply to Jews dealing with Jews. Dealing with others have a different set of halachas.
No college.
Airplane pilot, baker, diamond merchant, mail carrier, insurance claims adjuster, salesman, mechanic, bus driver, factory supervisor, power plant operator, etc.