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Rav Dovid never said its muttar and Rav Dovid never said Rav Moshe said its muttar. Au contraire. Rav Moshe has been clear about this topic, as you see in the direct verbatim quotes from him above, and so is Rav Dovid in concurrence with Rav Moshe.
CTL: The successors (who are all gedolei yisroel in their own rights) to virtually the entire list I mentioned continue to reside in-town today. In fact they all currently live in NYC except for the successor of Rav Aharon Kotler, who lived in Boro Park, now lives in Lakewood.
It’s too bad Reb Moshe, Reb Yaakov, Rav Hutner, Rav Pam, Rav Berenbaum, Rav Kalmanovitz, Rav Henkin, the Satmar Rebbe, the Bluzhever Rebbe, the Bobover Rebbe, the Novominsker Rebbe, the Skulener Rebbe, the Mattersdorfer Rov, the Viener Rov, the Debrecener Rov, Reb Shraga Feivel, Rav Gedalia Schorr, Rav Heiman, Rav Aharon Kotler and countless other gedolei yisroel zt’l (and shlita) weren’t around in newbee’s time so he could wisely dissuade them from foolishly living in town instead of wisely moving out of town.
Shtetl has officially become an English word as well.
Stand; put; chair (different pronunciation). Unless you’re referring to a shteller, a position. Or you mean a tzu shtel…
newbee: It all depends on one’s personal perspective of what they’d rather seek as their goal: a higher level of spiritual comfort (rabbonim, rebbes , tzadikim, yeshivos, butei medrashim, minyanim, shiurim, tzedaka orgs, chesed orgs, etc.) or a higher level of physical comfort (bigger house, greener space, etc.)
And considering the tens of thousands upon tens of thousands of former OOTers who now – by choice – live in the NY area, we know what their answer is.
I come here to do kiruv work.
(Calling Syag…)
newbee: Boro Park (as defined by its frum boundaries) consists of miles of walking, often you will not see a car driving in sight on Shabbos. Whether you have to have it shipped or are otherwise restricted to more limited choices in the competitive marketplace, the net result is higher OOT costs for kosher, Judaica and Jewish clothing. Costco doesn’t sell the least expensive Glatt Kosher, Cholov Yisroel, kosher bakery goods, etc., assuming they carry a single brand of those at all. If one limits themselves to positions outside the city, where salaries on average are much higher than positions on Main Street, they’ll have lower commuting expenses alongside lower average compensation.
OOT also mostly lacks Hatzolah, Shomrim, Chaveirim, Bikur Cholim, multitudes of gemachs, medical and tzedaka orgs, multitudes of rabbonim, rebbes and tzadikim, multitudes of yeshivos and butei medrashim, minyanim, shiurim at all times, subjects and levels, etc.
akuperma, have any of your immediate or extended family’s recent weddings been made in the shul basement?
Simcha: The army has too many potential recruits without taking a single Ben Torah. The army will still have to reject people even if no one leaves the Yeshiva to go to the army.
newbee: There are neighborhoods in NYC/Monsey/Lakewood where you can usually walk in the streets on Shabbos for miles without seeing any cars driving.
And living OOT generally incurs higher expenses in commuting, tuition, kosher, Judaica, Jewish-specific clothing and lower salaries.
… and then the married kids live in Lakewood, Monsey or Brooklyn while the parents’ OOT community ages and is drained of Jewish growth.
Why are you procrastinating? We’re already settled in America!
CTRebbe – do you know any OOT yeshivas charging anywhere close to $4K tuition? In NY that can be found (as well as less for the underprivileged). Cholov Yisroel is going to be more expensive OOT as well as most kosher foods including glatt. In NY your can find wedding halls with discounted “takana” pricing. And how many Manhattan-type salaries can be found away from the metro area? Much harder and far fewer.
newbee – In every frum neighborhood in NY there are tens of thousands upon tens of thousands of former OOTers who moved to NY. (You have this in Lakewood as well.)
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-new-york-is-the-best
Moving out of NY raises your tuition and kosher food costs and likely travel and commuting expenses. And frequently may result in lower salaries, if you are distant to the metropolitan area. And, for many, living away from any family.
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VM: Not every, but some. There is a good argument for this one.
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VM: But from a tzibbur point-of-view, the leaders need to discourage its use based on what DY described.
Cholent.
Mammele: when they ban WhatsApp that means anything similar including Telegram. That should be pretty obvious.
ws: encryption makes no difference regarding the topic at hand – unless one engages in criminal conduct.
Maskim.
Mammele, why is Telegram worse than WhatsApp?
simcha, so your problem is your jealousy and begrudging. You knows what the Torah says about jealousy.
The Lomdei Torah.
Avram, is it not obvious the decision of Hashem’s “mind” was that Reb Elechonon should leave this world al kiddush Hashem? How does attributing Hashem’s decision to the Chofetz Chaim’s tefilos detract from his honor?
Dina D’malchusa doesn’t override Halacha. If Halacha says to do A and the local non-Jewish law says don’t do A, you’re obligated to do A.
I think WhatsApp makes it easier to mass message. Also supports multimedia and those inherent dangers.
Spreading loshon hora, rechilus and ms’r to many people at once versus one-by-one.
Wolf, the goyim will be serving the yidden in the times of Moshiach, so it won’t be necessary for a yid to do anything other than Limud Torah.
Heterosexual marriage will be considered an extreme right-wing fanatical position, Feivel.
Avram, he indicated that the Chofetz Chaim’s tefilos led kiddush Hashem to be the cause of his death; he didn’t indicate that the CC tefilos (or anything else) resulted in his dying any earlier than he would have otherwise died.
Is being brutally murdered by sonei Yisroel the only way to die al kiddush Hashem? What about having the opportunity to say vidui and Shema and demonstrate faith and trust in Hashem even under the shadow of death, as opposed to R”L passing suddenly and unexpectedly?
Being brutally murdered by sonei Yisroel is far more preferable than having the opportunity to say vidui and Shema and demonstrate faith and trust in Hashem even under the shadow of death.
Avram,
Thank you for pointing out your response. I don’t think it was “up” for viewing when I wrote mine.
It wasn’t; I just wanted to reference your comment to my earlier addressing it.
I understand this point in theory, but isn’t it presumptuous for a human being to say whether another man died at his proper time?
The commenter didn’t implicate whether it was or wasn’t his proper time to die. All he indicated was that he was zoche to die al kiddush Hashem.
Or to assert with certitude what was in the Divine calculus when a gadol was murdered?
Everything that happens is a result of the Divine calculus. This assertion is no different than asserting Rabi Akiva (or any Jew murdered for being a Jew) died al kiddush Hashem.
…did Rabbi Yishmael exclaim what a marvelous zechus it was that Rabbi Shimon received, or did he weep?
Rabi Akiva exclaimed, before he was killed, what a zechus it was for him to die al kiddush Hashem. There’s no difficulty pointing out that someone died al kiddush Hashem or that it is a zchus to leave this world that way.
Avram, see my last comment (prior to this one) where I address the point about Reb Elchonon.
SL, you wrote “Someone made a comment that sounded very much against the way we believe.” Yet mik nowhere suggested anything of that sort. He suggested Reb Elchonon was zoche to die al kiddish Hashem when the time came for him to leave this world; not that Reb Elchonon was zoche to die.
SL, it is yourself who has a distinction of certain ideologies whose posters you individually defend and others you don’t.
mik’s comment was “The Chofetz Chaim davened that he should be zoche to die al Kiddush Hashem. He was never zoche to this, but in the merit of his prayers his primary talmid Reb Elchonon Wasserman, may G-d avenge his blood, was.”
He didn’t say anyone davened to die per se. He said davened that when he dies it should be al kiddush Hashem. That’s exactly the same sentiment as Rabi Akiva. And just as Rabi Akiva died al kiddush Hashem, mik pointed out that Reb Elchonon died al kiddush Hashem.
None of the alternative meanings that you’ve proposed was actually stated.
SL: Would you also not provide the benefit of the doubt if the poster was ZD?
The non-Chareidi Orthodox, both in Israel and in the U.S., have followed their secular trendsetters in limiting themselves to 2.3 children on average. Hence the above net result, with the Chareidim having not changed in this regard.
Battleground states may be redefined for this cycle unlike others.
In this contest Trump is the lesser evil.
Dave: If it were certain that one of either Hitler or Mussolini were the only possible winners, I’d vote for Mussolini who is clearly a lesser evil than Hitler, rather than waste the vote on a third-party candidate with no chance – thus making it more likely for Hitler to win.
Wasted vote. Vote for the lesser of the two evils.
ZD: If Rabi Akiva davened for it, why should it be any less if the Chofetz Chaim davened for it or that it is considered a very desirable way for any Jew to leave this world.
I was taught already when I was a small child in Yeshiva that this is the best way to leave the world that we can hope for and it entails a guaranteed spot in gan eden.
Sam, he’s correct that Rabi Akiva long davened that he should be zoche to die al kiddush Hashem.
Halacha only precludes a guilty plea in a capital offense. Other crimes the court can accept a guilty plea, per halacha.
Regarding American jurisprudence, popa and CTL just make conflicting claims in their last comments.
CTL: If a potential client admits his guilt to a capital offense to any potential attorney he speaks with, no attorney can plead not guilty on his behalf?
Quite clear and unambiguously assur according to Rav Moshe, as he’s written in multiple published Teshuvos:
Igros Moshe OC I 113 page 177
“To offer one’s hand to a woman in the manner of those greeting others upon meeting. It is pashut that it is prohibited even for an unmarried woman since they are niddah and surely it is prohibited for a married woman”.
Igros Moshe EH IV 32.9 page 76
“To offer one’s hand to a woman in the manner of those greeting others upon meeting. It is definitely pashut that it is prohibited as I have written OC I 113. That is because one needs to be concerned for the issue
of derech chibah and taavah.
It is unusual for Rav Moshe to write in his teshuva, as he did here, that “It is definitely pashut that it is prohibited.” During Rav Moshe’s lifetime the modern attacked him for being an extremist. After his passing they’ve attempted to reinterpret history and claim Rav Moshe ruled the exact opposite of what he’s written.
No one, no one at all, would approve of the presents-at-the-table scenario as presented above.