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You should take a look in the Igros Moshe, for example, to see the choice descriptions of Reform and Conservative by the great Rav Moshe.
Here are some other examples:
Agudas Harrabonim, March 24, 1997:
The Reform and Conservative are not Judaism at all. While their adherents are Jews, their religion is not Judaism. Despite their brazen usurpation of the titles ‘Judaism,’ ‘Jewish heritage,’ ‘Jewish tradition’ and’ Jewish continuity,’ Reform and Conservative are not Judaism at all. They are outside of Torah and outside of Judaism.
Dr. Harold Jacobs, president of the National Council of Young Israel, July 12, 1981:
“By rejecting the standards of Jewish law and tradition, it is the Reform and Conservative groups which have divided the Jewish people and caused needless human suffering through invalid conversion, marriage and divorce procedures which have thrown a shadow over the Jewish identity and marital status of thousands of innocent men and women. It is to avoid further damage and human suffering of this kind that we must reject Reform and Conservative demands for official religious recognition in Israel.”
Rav Yaakov Perlow, Novominsker Rebbe, Rosh Agudas Yisroel, May 27, 2014:
Reform and non-kosher is condemned. You really missed the numerous thunderous denunciations of Reform for the past 200 years through the present? Or uproars when there’s a hint of a food establishment possibly containing non-kosher. Or of reading publications which carry inappropriate content. (Which is why the frum papers were created over the past 25 years.)
You clearly haven’t been paying attention very well to anything other than what the mainstream media or secular Jewish papers have decided for you what constitutes “news”.
WB Syag! (Did Mod-42 email you?)
ubiq, you are correct that with the passage of time the official political conservatism position on moral issues weakens and is dragged leftwards as the political liberals effectively move even further left. So what was previously the position of the left becomes that of the right, while the left moves to the position of what was previously espoused by the far left.
The same phenomena occurs on other issues such as women in the military. It wasn’t that long ago that American conservatives opposed women in the military. As the left successfully pushed further integration the conservatives held the line in opposing women in combat positions. Now I don’t see them even offering nominal opposition to that much.
The moral degradation with time is easily visible to anyone with an eye on the past.
It happens to be that overall the DL aren’t bad on this issue. The same cannot be said about the MO.
Mod-42 used to email me when he felt I hadn’t posted in a while.
Sam, same with adultery, thievery, witchcraft (Wicca), etc. Those with the taaiva…
And why are you equating “Whether or not it should have happened or is right”? It makes no difference to you whether it is right or not?
He correctly wants to support a frum person.
Along with a huge portion of the charedi communities in Yerushalayim, where so many car attacks took place last year?
Meah Shearim and the other Chareidi neighborhoods are in the western portion of Yerushalayim, within the Green Line.
You probably, then, also can see those predisposed to adultery organizing an adulterers pride march, even if they don’t actually engage in that perversion but merely “identify” with it, much as you see those marching in the aforementioned perversion they identify with.
Additionally, the idea they march “merely” to “identify” with the debauchery even without actually committing it, is purely an MO apologetic to attempt to justify the celebration of that depravity. Virtually none of the overwhelming majority of the non-religious participants in the parade see it as merely an identification of those predisposed to that unnatural deed whilst permanently refraining from engaging in it.
Until 2003, 14 states outlawed sodomy when the SCOTUS overturned them in Lawrence v. Texas. Until 1962 sodomy was a felony crime in every U.S. State. Many states prescribed a maximum penalty of capital punishment for the crime.
I certainly support overturning Lawrence v. Texas and reinstating the laws outlawing it.
There are no circumstances where people who rally under this banner should be treated with dignity or we should find ways to accept them in the community, even if the parade weren’t about supporting and endorsing that lifestyle. If they committed their abhorrent aveiras in private without declaring to the world they commit this heinous sin no one would not treat them without dignity, as no one would be the wiser for their private sins. The fact is they insist on making their sinful ways a matter of the public record in addition to demanding respect for their abominable transgressions.
If someone merely was attracted to this sin without actually engaging in it, he wouldn’t be declaring to the world his attraction to the sin anymore than someone disposed to theft or adultery would march in a thieves or adulterers pride parade.
Meno: +1 to your comment.
If you compare it to the crime rates of inner-city LA, Chicago and Philadelphia in neighborhoods that have almost no Jews and are ridden with black on black crime and drug killings, you might be able to prove the adage about lies, damned lies, and statistics. If you compare the territories in Israel, with its wars and terrorism, to the crime rates in Kiryas Yoel, Boro Park, Williamsburg and Lakewood, you’ll get a better picture.
A baal nefesh is machmir all year round.
I said nothing of changing the current regime. I spoke of the historical narrative.
Shtusim.
Wait, why should the ostensible count of years since yushke’s birth be relevant to any of this?
… and for causing the deaths of multiple Americans.
The very coming to power of Hitler and the conquering of Europe by Nazi Germany and its perpetuation of the holocaust was against all odds. Everything that take place at the time could not happened without Hashem.
Why isn’t anyone taking about ruchniyus here half as much as they’re taking about gashmius? It’s a Shabbos kiddush about gashmius more than ruchniyus?
He knows Trump will lose and is positioning himself for 2020. In fact, he would be upset in the unlikely event Trump did win, since that would disturb his plan to run in ’20.
YW-Mod-29: I was also the first one to WB jf02 after her previous multi-year absence. 😉
WB jf02!
Depends how much they were drinking that day.
Israel supposedly doesn’t deny entry to any Jew.
Geordie, the opinion expressed by RoC is hardly unique to NK.
Agreed. Further proof the creation of the State was the biggest mistake of all. A nondenominational international State should have been created in its stead.
I haven’t seen either of the two of you jumping in to defend the kavod of HaRav Pesach Eliyahu Falk shlita, whose a far bigger talmid chochom, when his kavod was disparaged several times above.
aunt: I wouldn’t recommend paying attention to that RYH’s opinions. It is he who is extreme as well as dubious. See:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/al-tarbe-sicha-im-haisha/page/4#post-144097
No Wall Street banker is renting from you, yiddele.
This is no seuda they’re talking about; this is about a gluttonous gashmisudik affair.
The correct term for outside Eretz Yisroel is chutz la’aretz.
stam, I hope your Jewish even given your views on the coming of the messiah and end of exile having already occurred.
MA, you’re delaying Moshiach by participating in such gashmiusdik parties.
Miami: It is as unsettled as Roe v. Wade, which SCOTUS also ruled on but remains very much a matter of political debate, including advocacy for reversal (either via a new SCOTUS ruling or Constitutional amendment), decades later. Same with sodomites “marriage”.
Sam: As a result of your last point, do you think giving them the type of “kibudim” mentioned by DM and DY is a bad idea?
miamilawyer: Eviction courts in New York are very faaaaar from being expedient.
Sam: I believe nisht meant “modus operandi” when he wrote MO.
ubiq: Different laws apply to a private development/association than apply to a public municipality.
“I submit that a case can be made”
You’re not the first to try to make that case. At least you deserve credit for admitting you are, at most, “making a case” rather than claiming to have proven so. There’s hope you will realize the truth.
Oh, c’mon, mod. Calling someone “dude” isn’t the heights of rude and derogatory.
Of course it’s not. But I have very high standards for mentchlichkite. Baruch Hashem.
Redleg: Thanks for bumping the thread. I almost missed that note. Which part of galus are you in? Eretz Yisroel or chutz l’aretz? (Or did your moshiach come already?)
They’re surviving without Chareidim being drafted. Their will still be enough non-Chareidim for them to fully staff an army.
No one, absolutely no one, is as bad as Crooked Hillary Rotten Clinton. How many people have already died because of her? How many more will die?
stam_a_yid: For the second time, Eretz Yisroel is also in golus.
edited to remove rude, derogatory name calling. Consider it a favor to your cheshbon haNefesh