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Is it okay to make a right turn on a red light?
HaLeiVI, his English writing, that you posted, is difficult to decipher his point. His points about Lakewood, affluence, quiet rejection and the Agudah are completely incomprehensible.
AFAIK all poor frum children, whose only fault is being poor, are in yeshivos and beis yaakovs.
” Where are the parents? “
What if the parents are dirt poor (and working)?
TLIK, Which Yeshiva our Beis Yaakov expels children for missing payments on the tuition balances? From everything I know that is a myth.
lilmod, I was assuming the Titanic to be an all-gentile ship. So I was looking for an answer along the lines I just gave to Person1 in my last comment. But I agree with you in your listed priority of yehudi zochor, yehudi nekeiva, nochri.
Person1, oh, halacha aside on the Titanic; I think without halacha there would be no priority given anyone among goyim. Btw, the law in both the US and Britain as well as the law at sea, both at the time of the Titanic disaster as well as now, provides no gender based preferences in rescue efforts.
gavra, if there’s no Vadai that the unsaved will die, why deviate from the halacha as given in the Gemora and S”A? Regarding the percentage, if it is less than 51% likelihood of surviving, I surely see no reason to take that into account to deviate from the standard halacha. Arguably, anything less than 100% should leave the standard halacha in effect.
lilmod, I understood Redleg to mean he makes no distinction between yidden and goyim. If he’s only referring to goyim then my comment to him is possibly inapplicable.
Person1, see the Mishnah in Horios 3:7, the Rambam on the Mishna, Beis Yosef YD 251 and S”A YD 252:8.
Redleg: The Torah and Halacha disagree with you. The Shulchan Aruch says the opposite of you.
It was a new and small school that didn’t have funds to continue.
Should yiddishe meidelech go to public school because they are orphans with no parents to pay a full tuition?
I also sympathize with them.
Say, I could help out by relieving you for a couple days and volunteering to do your modding while you can relax.
lilmod, as you know, on the Titanic they prioritized saving women before men. Putting aside the halachic requirement to save men first, as after all the Titanic wasn’t a Jewish ship or subject to halacha, if you had any say in prioritizing the saving of lives on the ship, how would you prioritize? Would you take gender into account, and if so in what way?
I didn’t mean it was a daas yochid to rule that one must wash on even one slice. Many poskim ruled as such long before this survey. And many people have washed for one slice long before this psak. See:
I meant the methodology itself of looking at general non-Jewish society for this purpose is unusual and apparently daas yochid, assuming you’re correct in relating that the survey was the decisive factor in the psak. Most poskim wouldn’t accept considering non-Jewish society in determining the psak for this purpose.
Various other poskim ruled it mandatory to wash on one slice long before this survey for reasons other than what the goyim do.
Don’t worry, I’ve been called worse. (Just ask Health.)
If a couple of poseks use a methodology that is very atypical in psak halacha and goes against the grain, it doesn’t prove anything other than their methodology was a daas yochid that lacks widespread acceptance among the poskim. So it in no way proves we care what the goyim do in this sense. You can find non-accepted psaks through out history (from choshuve poskim), even some that go completely the opposite of what is the near universal accepted psakim, that were never accepted among the consensus of poskim.
lilmod, nowhere have you indicated that Rav Bodner advised you that the decisive factor in the psak was the survey. You appear to have come to that understanding (specifically the reason for the psak being the survey) from other sources. Various rabbonim have ruled to wash on pizza for various reasons. And Rav Bodner and Rav Forchsheimer may have ruled to wash because they believe that it is customarily only eaten in America as part of a meal. But that doesn’t mean they concluded that due to this survey you referenced. They may have made that evaluation primarily based on other factors they’ve assessed.
Furthermore, even if it was the survey that was the decisive factor in their ruling, the use of that for this purpose is not typical methodology of mainstream psak halacha among most poskim. It would be quite unusual, in fact. It goes against the grain amongst poskim, who would use only how the food is eaten among Yidden.
And as I mentioned earlier, there are poskim in America that still rule today like Rav Moshe, that one need not wash hamotzi when eating less than two slices.
Person1: Western culture, which changes as fast as the seasons, is never better than Jewish culture. Not in any way, not in any how. Non-Jewish culture is to be avoided like the plague. The reason some folks become enamored by them is due to golus and the unfortunate daily indoctrination of this foreign culture.
As limod ably pointed out in the previous page, Jewish law and culture strongly disagree with Western notions of equality. Regarding your first example, women should ideally be homemakers and not working – that is the man’s job.
It has to do with the Yidden not the non-Yidden.
Virtual reality?
BTW, there are still poskim in America who rule hamotzi only on two or more slices, in accordance with Rav Moshe. Rav Moshe’s point about it being a quantity to constitute a meal could refer to a dinner – which is a full meal (and which one slice of pizza doesn’t make a dinner), and not lunch, which in America is a light meal.
lilmod, I would seriously question the accuracy of your contention that their psak was substantially based on a general survey. I would strongly submit it was not. Furthermore, use of such a medium for such a purpose is clearly out of line with mainstream psak. I would suggest you check the accuracy of your source on this point.
The societal normative practice in how it pertains to halacha and psak is determined specifically on how Jewish society acts and not on general secular/non-Jewish society. If Jewish society happens to act similarly to its surrounding society, whether or not that is because they picked up a custom or practice due to surrounding society’s influence, then by all means that is the determining factor. But it is certainly not a given that Torah Jews habits are in sync with that of its surrounding neighbors.
I responded to that almost a week ago:
I did. I think the principles you make are good. Though your nomenclature are disagreeable. You make very good points demonstrating the non-equality between Kohanim and Yisroelim, men and women, etc. You also saliently point out we are victims to the influences of the Western culture that we unfortunately live amidst.
The idea that there is something wrong with all men not being equal, is a western concoction that has no basis in our Mesorah. So to challenge that the Rambam doesn’t say we aren’t equal is looking at it backwards. The Rambam also doesn’t say we aren’t apes. That doesn’t mean we should consider ourselves to share a common ancestor with apes unless proven otherwise. Similarly there is no valid reason to assume equality. The way you’ve reinterpreted the term equality to fit the end result you wished to produce doesn’t fit how the term is commonly used in the world, as you’ve conceded. Nor is the term, as you’ve described it, the proper terminology to define ourselves within Judaism.
In any event, the inequalities you’ve pointed out between men and women, and Kohanim and Yisroelim, would be found very objectionable by contemporary societies insistence on the equality of all people.
But you said you’re Orthodox. The Orthodox only have a Patriarch…
I’m Orthodox.
Ahh, so you do believe in the Patriarchy!
CTL: So if his patient sues him for completing dental services he didn’t order you defend him free of charge?
Rav Moshe Meir Weiss.
Frumguy: Dr. Martin Bienenstock is great.
Do the two of you possibly share the same dentist?
I’m just traditional.
I believe sparkly switched worldviews in the last few days from hard left to hard right.
It isn’t.
I’m making popcorn for everyone.
Does a Rebbi treat his talmid obnoxiously since they’re not equal? Does a mother treat her daughter obnoxiously since they’re not equal?
lesschumras, huh? What on earth are you talking about? Did you have a cholem? You are addressing the wrong poster and in the wrong thread. You meant to post in the humor thread.
Sparkly, equality is a modern day Western invention and pipe dream that has no basis in Torah and Halacha.
” The Torah dictates that are being quoted regarding marriage are: a) not D’oraisa as far as I know”
As you can see from the afore-quoted halacha in Shulchan Aruch, they are so strong that it actually takes precedence over the wife’s d’oraysa of Kibud Av Veim, one of the Aseres Hadibros.
That’s the term the S”A uses.