Joseph

The NYTimes and other media outlets have been referring to the white mobs of a century ago, in recent news reports, but refuse to characterize the current events as black mobs.

And at the RCA every twenty-something year old member gets the same vote as Rabbi Willig. So a couple of twenty-something year old fresh members can outvote Rabbi Willig or any other rabbi on any matter or resolution.

I never had a TV and don’t watch it elsewhere. But one must have their head in the sand to be oblivious to knowing that this is the case. Must one watch TV to know it is rife with immodest women? Do you deny this?

Articles, shmarticles. You’re entire case of a house of cards against them is based on so-called journalists. Nothing more, nothing less. You’ve presented no other “source” and you’ve proven incapable of naming names when challenged. I couldn’t care less what the rabbinically unsanctioned “Mishpacha” journalist has to say based on his opinions and thinking on with who he interviewed for his commercial article that helped sell papers.

And once again you’ve proven yourself factually challenged with your misinformation about NY CPS’ interaction with them, something that didn’t happen. In fact they lived in Canada long before the timeline you claimed for that NY action that is a canard.

Yseribus, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re presenting fiction not facts throughout your comments about them. In Monsey the rabbonim did save him from the authorities and did help and protect him. In Monsey the only run in he had was an incident where he was caught in middle of a custody dispute between two warring divorced parents, one of whom asked him to bring his son up to par for his bar mitzvah. Eventually the boy wanted to stay frum but his father didn’t want to let him remain frum so the Rabbi found a family the boy could hide from his father with and remain frum. For that he was charged with kidnapping and deported from the US, hence his move.

You need to stop eating and wholesale believing so-called “frum” websites and magazines from whatever they’re feeding you. All the accusations stem from about two now non-frum bitter youngsters who has a falling out from their family.

It is exactly the opposite of what you claim. How many rabbonim can you name that claim what you claim? I want names so I can call them. Thus far various rabbonim have only helped them and supported them in their travails.

Watching the immodestly dressed women in the commercials is far far worse.

Drinking alcohol while publicly watching television, including commercials that are rife with very immodestly dressed women, is far far worse than being embarrassed to stop sinning in public.

There supposedly were also some kannoim outside of the above described rabbinic negotiations with the owner, who also said they’d photograph and publish patrons entering the establishment from the public street to discourage customers, lest they be embarrassed amongst their neighbors and yeshivos as patrons of television sports bar.

But even that, if it is true, is legal.

Yseribus, woe to anyone who believes wholesale what they read in “frum” magazines and websites. As an aside, the left-leaning cross-currents is NOT in any way whatsoever affiliated with the Agudah. Almost all the accusers are non-frum, some formerly frum, and the rest gullible frum people who believe almost anything they read online or in a newspaper, especially when the lie is repeated enough times.

Rabbosai, zats mich mochel.

Redleg, picketing is legal in America. Unions do it too. Walmart protesters do it, as do many others.

Rav Shteinman paskened that even if someone is NOT learning, it is better to dodge the draft by running to India than to join the IDF.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/160906/maran-r-shteinman-tells-yeshiva-student-to-go-to-india-instead-of-idf.html

How do you wash the shofar?

Meno, exactly!

What really irks the supporters of television is that there are so many yirei shamayim in Monsey that if they organized to not eat there, they’ll essentially put him out of business.

Rav Shteinman and other gedolim personally marched with the parents to prison. Rav Eliashev also personally attended an earlier protest against the Supreme Court decision on Emmanuel.

At no point did I suggest anyone not follow their rabbonim’s decision on school funding. I merely opined that the Brisker Rov zt’l and Satmar Rebbe zt’l’s position on this issue has been born out by history as correct and wise.

Yseribus, I just reread the Ami article and it makes none of the things you attribute to it and the group’s rabbi said nothing of what you quote him as saying.

AY: So now you’re coming out against the gedolei yisroel who publicly stood in support of the Emmanuel Beis Yaakov and parents who were jailed by the Zionists!? Rav Elyashev, Rav Chaim, Rav Aharon Leib, Rav Shmuel, etc. personally came out to the public rallies in support of the parents and beis yaakov and they themselves, despite their age and difficulty, festively marched b’simcha with the parents to the Zionist jail cells. Don’t deny that the government meddled then in the beis yaakov, trying to break the chareidim to defy the gedolim who directed the beis yaakov and parents on that conflict, as the government often meddles into yeshivos that take its funds.

And THIS is a prime example of why the Brisker Rov zt’l, Satmar Rebbe zt’l, and other gedolei yisroel zt’l and shlita specifically said NOT to accept Zionist money for yeshivos and beis yaakovs.

Mammele, thus far all your allegations here have been based on rumors. Your previous comment above was your first acknowledgment of that.

No one decrees not to feed them or to purposely malnourish them. Furthermore, if anyone would be doing that, it would be the parents legally responsible, not anyone advising the parents. But malnourishment due to poverty is not a crime.

AY: The major difference between government educational funding and all the other things, is that once you accept government educational funds you place yourself at the mercy of the anti-religious government dictating to you how to conduct chinuch habonim. As the Zionist government has repeatedly demonstrated with their meddling in yeshivos that accept government funds.

Mammele, arrest for what? There’s no legal basis to arrest the leadership.

If they’d have tried your advise of ignoring the boycott they’d have lost their investment in opening their restaurant when the successful boycott would quickly put them out of business.

Wisely, they agreed to change.

AY: 1) Trash, street lights, telephones, electricity, etc. existed in the pre-Zionist State days 2) The chareidim didn’t ask them to install any of those things 3) The chareidim pay for their own use of telephone service, trash removal, electricity, etc., just as they did from before the state came around.