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JosephParticipant
NCB, Why’d you change Nusach?
JosephParticipantCTL, polls only open at 6. How’d you manage to vote, get home and post about it by 6:06, considering you only carry a flip phone?
JosephParticipantSo have I.
JosephParticipantlilmod, that would be Bitul Torah/Bitul Zman.
If that’s the topic of discussion.
JosephParticipantMidwood is part of Flatbush.
JosephParticipantgolfer, you see CR discussions as akin to Beatles trivia?
JosephParticipant(Translation by Rabbi D. Eidensohn)
JosephParticipantWashed well? It isn’t washed at all between customers (other than to leave it in the same basket of water that still has the treif flavors washed into it from earlier customer’s scoops.)
JosephParticipantHamodia published an editorial strongly criticizing Mishpacha for publishing Hillary’s picture. Mishpacha responded claiming that they got approval from “genuine gedolim and poskim”, but they adamantly refuse to identify any of them even when advised that the tzibbur won’t accept that claim at face value without names of rabbonim.
JosephParticipantWrong.
JosephParticipantNechomah, your first comment could be read to imply that some people hold its okay to eat kosher ice cream mixed with non-kosher ice cream (from the scooper.)
JosephParticipantYou saw the shared scooper being placed in a water basket between uses. It isn’t washed off. So residue ice cream from the non-kosher can remain on the scooper itself as well as there be non-kosher ice cream in the water basket the scooper is left in between uses.
These aren’t safeiks in the halachic kashrus sense. And you can’t trust the non-Jewish employees on kashrus matters in an uncertified food eatery that sells treif food. You’re simply eating non-kosher.
JosephParticipantNechomah, have you read the above discussion? The uncertified BRs use the same utensils to scoop up the non-kosher ice cream as they use to serve you the “kosher” ice cream. You will have residue non-kosher food in your cone or cup.
And you know this to be a fact because…..?
JosephParticipantWhat right do some members of the “hamon am” have to eat in an uncertified BR, iacisrmma? As mentioned, in NYC Rabbi Mehlman ONLY certifies the DD part of the store and NOT BR.
JosephParticipantgolfer, the Torah discussions here are not Limud Torah?
JosephParticipantPerhaps part of the CR could be considered Limud Torah.
JosephParticipantIf you’re referring to Rabbi Mehlman’s certification of Dunkin Donuts stores, he told me that he only certifies the DD part of the store and NOT the Baskin Robbins, which he said he does not vouch for its kashrus status. (The kosher signs on the DD/BR are confusing in that.)
JosephParticipant1) Most Jews live in non-battleground states so your vote counts for little insofar as determining the winner.
2) Clinton will win. Mark my words. I’ve been consistently saying this ever since Trump locked up the Republican nomination. I’ll eat my hat if wrong. It’s a day and a half before the election and this fact did not change.
The only question is what her margin of victory will be.
JosephParticipantSo they use the same scoopers for the non-kosher and kosher flavors. When you get your “kosher” BR ice cream, your also eating some residue non-kosher food.
JosephParticipantEvery single BR store, when two flavors run out mid-day (one non-kosher flavor and one kosher flavor at the same time) when taking out the used containers will make absolutely certain every single time to put the scooper from the finished non-kosher flavor into the replacement non-kosher flavor rather than the replacement kosher flavor?
Even the BR stores in Reston, Virginia?
JosephParticipantPeople who eat non-CY also eat the non-kosher BR flavors (or kosher flavors scooped with the same scooper used with the non-kosher BR flavors), ZD?
JosephParticipantYou also have Rav Moshe, in the Igros Moshe OC I 33, ruling that if a non-frum Jew heard, saw or knows of Orthodox Judaism (as the vast majority of non-frum do), then he’s not considered to be a tinok shenishba.
JosephParticipantThey might switch the scooper between the kosher and non-kosher flavors, even during the same day before it’s washed.
JosephParticipantYou agree a non-frum Jew who believes toeiva is okay or believes executing Sabbath violators is barbaric has rejected the divinity of the Torah and is thus an apikorus?
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Why do you think the Chofetz Chaim is relating to us l’maaisa that it is a “mitzvah” to mock apikorsum if you maintain it doesn’t apply today? How are we to fulfill this mitzvah?
JosephParticipantAnd the non-frum who believe toeiva relations is okay (as most non-frum nowadays believe) or that the death penalty for sabbath violators is barbaric, both being outright rejections of the Divine authorship of the Torah?
JosephParticipantPosted in shuls.
JosephParticipantA Yiras Shomayim is much more important.
JosephParticipantIt’ll be going from Ocean Parkway towards Coney Island Avenue and onwards to Ocean Avenue.
JosephParticipantArtscroll, as an institution, is Nusach agnostic. (Pardon the pun.)
JosephParticipantThe Shabbos Parade is tomorrow Shabbos Parshas Noach, at 11:45 am, starting from Kings Highway and Ocean Parkway.
JosephParticipant” making sure everybody knows there is another group of people you are allowed to speak Lashon Hara about. “
The Chofetz Chaim does that. See quotations above. In fact, the Chofetz Chaim said it is a “mitzvah” to do so regarding those people.
JosephParticipantIt is to strengthen Shmiras Shabbos. They sing songs (“heilige Shabbos…, etc.), have shmuesen by rabbonim about Shabbos, etc. as they march across Kings Highway. It’s been done for over 50 years, one Shabbos each year, and was started by a number of gedolei rabbonim. In the early years there were Jewish owned businesses on Kings Highway that were open on Shabbos r’l, and the Shabbos Parade was B”H successful in encouraging a number of those stores to close for Shabbos.
JosephParticipantI’m using the Chofetz Chaim’s definition of an apikorus, which I posted above.
JosephParticipantIf you’re leaving aside the tinok shenishba issue the CC also said it is a mitzvah to mock apikorsum. To fulfill this mitzvah we need to judge who is an apikorus. See my last comment demonstrating most non-frum are apikorsum.
JosephParticipantlilmod, no one’s offered any specific maare makom of poskim or rabbonim that support what you’re claiming other than your assertion of thinking you might have heard the Chazon Ish held so. Without a specific citation that we can see what, or what not, the Chazon Ish stated you haven’t any support.
JosephParticipantYes.
JosephParticipantObviously a Yiras Shamayim wouldn’t dress untznius by routinely wearing a skirt halachicly too short (or tight).
JosephParticipantTLIK
” The Sephardic community was never issued those decrees, though by now, they have been accepted as universal practice. “
Vi shteit? Teimanim still practice polygamy. Even Sephardim don’t have a ban on it though most add a clause to their kesuba agreeing not to take a second wife. And regarding not being able to divorce an unwilling wife, what’s your basis to assert that Sephardim cannot do so?
Chacham Ovadia Yosef zt’l said Sephardim shouldn’t adhere to R”G’s cherem.
JosephParticipant” *Divorce cannot be forced. The banning of delivering a get to a woman against her will does not nullify the get, but it, as the violations of the other two decrees result in cheirem. “
1. Suppose an Ashkenazic husband gave his wife a Get against her will. He violated the cherem. What is his penalty for doing so?
2. Spouse later the above husband regrets his action. How does he do teshuva to rectify violating the Cherem?
JosephParticipantYes.
JosephParticipantIsn’t it always on Kings Highway?
JosephParticipantThe Chofetz Chaim describes an apikorus as:
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As you know the vast majority of non-frum Jews reject the divine authorship of the entirety of the Torah. Many Torah statings they outright reject in accordance with their understanding of modern mores (i.e. the impressibility of toeiva and even the application of the death penalty for such activity, among many other rejected Torah portions.)
And the Chofetz Chaim tells us to mock apikorsum:
“???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ????????? ????? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ??????”.
Thus, this would apply to most non-frum Jews, specifically those that reject even one pasuk in the Torah as coming directly from G-d Himself.
And as Rav Chaim Brisker famously said, ah nebech apikorus is oich an apikorus; even if they don’t realize rejecting one word of Torah makes them an apikorus, it still makes them exactly that.
JosephParticipantEverything Rav Zilber paskens is in accordance with the CC. The sefer might be on hebrewbooks; if I scanned it I wouldn’t have any means of delivering it to you.
You’re assuming that the CC held non-frum Jews are tinok shenishba. You’ve quoted others who hold like that but nothing from the CC that indicates that.
JosephParticipantPerson1, you simply don’t like the halacha and prefer the pop-culture (and non-Jewish) concept of live and let live. Therefore you summarily dismiss Rav Moshe zt’l, Rav Zilber zt’l, the Pri Megadim and YBL”C Rav Chaim shlit”a that someone aware of Orthodox Judaism is not a tinok shenishba. You even have issue with the Chofetz Chaim himself who describes an apikorus as:
??????- “???????? ???? ????? ?????… ?????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????? ???…”
As you know the vast majority of non-frum Jews reject the divine authorship of the entirety of the Torah. Many Torah statings they outright reject in accordance with their understanding of modern mores (i.e. the impermissibility of toeiva and even the application of the death penalty for such activity, among many other rejected Torah portions.)
And the Chofetz Chaim tells us to mock apikorsum:
“???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ????????? ????? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ??????”.
Thus, this would apply to most non-frum Jews, specifically those that reject even one pasuk in the Torah as coming directly from G-d Himself.
And as Rav Chaim Brisker famously said, ah nebech apikorus is oich an apikorus; even if they don’t realize rejecting one word of Torah makes them an apikorus, it still makes them exactly that.
JosephParticipantRav Moshe in the Igros Moshe OC I 33 paskens that you can’t consider all non-frum Shabbos violators to be tinok shenishba since many of them have seen or heard about religious Jews or the Torah.
So, l’maaisa, if they know or heard about Orthodox Jews they are NOT a tinok shenishba.
The Pri Megadim in Eishel Avraham 325:22 discussed the possibility that a Shabbos violator might be treated as a gentile in some matters.
JosephParticipantThe idea that today’s non-frum are tinok shenishba and not mumar lhachis is very far from being universally accepted. It is widely held that they’re not tinok shenishbas if they are exposed to Orthodox/Torah Judaism with even as little as knowing about Orthodox Jews. Nothing from the Chofetz Chaim supports the notion that they’re tinok shenishba. And certainly someone who was frum and R”L became non-frum is considered to be far worse.
HaGaon HaRav Binyomin Zilber zt’l explicitly paskens in Sh”utz Oz Nidviru 14:60,69 that it is permissible to speak l”h about non-frum.
JosephParticipantThe idea that today’s non-frum are tinok shenishba and not mumar lhachis is very far from being universally accepted. It is widely held that they’re not tinok shenishbas if they are exposed to Orthodox/Torah Judaism with even as little as knowing about Orthodox Jews. Rav Berkowitz might hold they’re tinoks but nothing from the Chofetz Chaim supports that notion of tinok shenishba. And HaGaon HaRav Zilber zt’l explicitly paskens as I stated.
The reality is that very most non-frum are not tinok shenishbas. And certainly someone who was frum and R”L became non-frum is considered to be far worse.
JosephParticipant“???? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ?’ ???? ?’ – ????: “???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ????????? ????? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ??????”.
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At the end of Shmiras HaLashon (Hilchos Rechilus 9:15), the Chofetz Chaim writes that the prohibitions against Lashon Hara and Rechilus do not apply to reshaim and kofrim and that it is, in fact, a mitzvah to mock such persons:
“???? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ???????, ??? ??? ????? ??????? ?????.”
“It is a mitzvah to make their false opinions public before all, and shame them so that others do not learn from their evil deeds.”
JosephParticipantOz Nidviru is the shailos u’teshuvos Sefer by HaGaon HaRav Binyomin Zilber zt’l. Kovetz Teshuvos, being from Rav Elyashiv zt’l, is widely available.
You’re extrapolating from a sefer that is extrapolating from the CC, and you’re assuming this discussed scenario with non-frum Jews fits within the parameters of the listed criteria. But that’s your assumption not the sefers saying. I, on there other hand, am citing a direct and specific psak that it is permissible to speak l”h about the non-frum.
JosephParticipantNot correct. See Sh”utz Oz Nidviru 14:60,69. Non-frum may have l”h spoken of them.
There’s no dina d’malchusa or c”H problem as long as you don’t file for a second civil marriage license. Furthermore, recent US court decisions have found even the generally unenforced bigamy prohibitions unconstitutional.
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