Is he drunk by the hakufes? Because I think lchatchila you shouldn’t make kidush before being oila to the toireh which is usually after the hakufes and what matir asurim said about dichenen is because everybody is making kidush which is not aloud before dichunen but a inion to get drunk? Don’t think so. By purim I don’t think there’s any doubts its clear cut. But for simchas torah I had never seen anything about getting drunk