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Whoever heard of a judgemental Telzer…

DONT PANIC!

Forum doesn’t allow links. But a Google search of “peshuto shel mikra ban” produces a blong from the Rationalist Judaism, which has a link to a response to the ban directly from the authors of the book.

@ yeshivaguy I’d be disappointed if it was a typesetting issue.

Let me be first.
All הלכות of לשון הרע apply, so here is the silence:

If you believe every story, you are a fool. If you doubt any story, your a heretic.

But we need to recognize that the real hero if the story is his wife, who has supported her husband without any assistance from her husband’s family, public assistance (in Israel, which also comes from חילול שבת) or from the vast majority of Torah institutions that access donations without investigating their source.

A moment of silence for Moishe26, who I’m sure has deleted his account, terminated all internet service, destroyed his smart phone, and dedicated himself to total immersion in תורה and חסד. Those of us not chosen to ascent in rapture with him will need to middle on somehow.

Any ideas for new year resolutions? I’m contemplating דף היומי, and need to be talked down / given better outlets.

@ Always Ask. I had a similar debate with my son over Marcus Jastrow. Reportedly שומר שבת and one of the 2 Rabbis who walked out from the “trief banquet” of 1883, he eventually lost his congregation in Philadelphia because he resisted more radical “Reforms” and was the first professor of Talmud @ the Jewish Seminary of America, which was originally an Orthodox school.
In his time, Jastrow was affiliated with the Reform movement, but today would probably fall somewhere on the traditional side of the Modern Orthodox camp. That is more a commentary on early reform than modern orthodoxy. As many have observed about recent politics, the left tends to run further to the left, while the right tends to hold its ground, and a liberal from the 80s may easily find himself voting Republican today.
You need more aggressive historical contexualization to argue that either Mendlson or Heinz fall within the Jewish traditional. Indeed the most charitable interpretation of Mendleson’s ideas is that he was merely of philosopher whose notoriety and fame were used by others for their own interests. Heintz on the other hand transgressed on a basic principle that even the most estranged Jew would have despised. Claiming that he did it for personal advancement even in context does not excuse him.

@ Gadol And my point would be that history shows an incredible diversity that makes today’s intolerance suspect.
You can’t argue on the one hand that “we stand in the shoulders” of previous generations, and then dismiss everyone except a specific חסידות or ראש הישיבה as “exceptions”.
The opposite is true. There were specific personalities, Mendelssohn or Heine, who were כופרים. And there were many people who through a combination of crushing poverty, virulent antisemitism, and lack of moral character, completely left their Judaism behind. And there were גדולים, ,like the חפץ חיים.
Most people fell somewhere in between.
More to the point, only a fraction of the tens of thousands of people learning Lakewood can accurately claim that they come from an unbroken chain of the typr of orthodoxy UJM seems to cherish.
If R’ Aron had agreed.eith UJM and rejected or excluded anyone holding”Modern Orthodox” views, be wouldn’t have had a yeshiva.
And if Sarah Schenirer hadn’t completely revolutionized Jewish education, it’s very possible that there wouldn’t be a Jewish people.
So rather than getting on a high horse and making lists of what is wrong with other Jews the week of יוה”כ, keep in mind that differences in character and temperament are opportunities for growth.

Literally none of the prewar Jewish communities of Europe would have been “good enough” for UJM.

@ 1 Point of fact, of it was not for Rabbi Kotler, many of today’s Rabbis would have gone to secular colleges, or into business, or according to some biographies, into professional sports.
It’s amazing how quickly some people are to inflate the challenges some yeshivas face while glossing over the failures of their own.

In today’s political climate, with the constitution of this Supreme Court, please elaborate, what exactly is YU risking?

@ rightwriter Its rather pointless to post a topic in a forum that contains random questions that you could easily research on your own time.
The space is better used as a space for grownups to thoughtfully discuss their opinions about issues of the day.

@ eddiee
Alot to unpack.
Your experience is that while administrators make recommendations, the final decisions about the school are made by הנהלה.
But if parents dont like the decisions, they have the option of sending their child elsewhere.
I don’t think that its accurate to say that parents are happy with the secular education in a yeshiva or else they would send them to a modern orthodox or public school. There are alot of factors that parents consider when choosing a school and considering alternatives.