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Health,
I’m not a victim. Nor am I afraid of your hyperbole.Viewers that are willing to actually go through the entire thread here, would realize that’s my response about the right to smoke came with the backdrop of people like Health, claiming that second-hand smoke is akin to assault or even attempted murder.
As I’ve posted before, although according to Jewish law most rabanim strongly discourage smoking, most agree it’s not completely forbidden. https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/isnt-smoking-אסור#post-1540415
I despise the smell of smoke. I’ve never smoked a day in my life. No one in my immediate family smokes. I have no skin in the game.
When discussing something intelligently, emotion shouldn’t play a role. This is a question of whether or not something is permissible according to Jewish law, and what’s the stablished thing it is, how to deal with Society.
Of course you shouldn’t be a nuisance to others. The question is if you have the right to impose your idea of what’s considered being nice on others. They obviously have an addiction. That’s why they smoke. It’s sad, but that’s the way it is. Not allowing them to smoke in public places is more harmful to them than it is to you.Health, although you like to portray yourself as a health professional, the fact is this issue has nothing to do with science. It’s your personal feelings in the matter and frankly, you’re wrong.
In a recent study published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, headlined “No Clear Link Between Passive Smoking and Lung Cancer” the study proves that second hand smoke, contrary to popular belief, does not cause lung cancer. The only slight statistical increase in lung cancer caused by second-hand smoke, were people living in houses where people smoked constantly. But the increase was so nominal, it’s not considered statistically important. Being exposed to secondhand smoke occasionally has absolutely nothing to do with lung cancer. It’s free to read the study, I’d urge you to read it on your own.
I’d love to respond to some of the messages that was just posted, but I have no idea who any of you are. Old people with new names/aliases. I feel like I’m talking to a brand new baby
“You keep quoting Reb Moshe as saying there is no issur, and it has been demonstrated that this is erroneous. ”
You keep saying I’m wrong, I keep pointing to the text which shows I’m right.
It’s not erroneous. I even posted an actual kol korah which implored people not to smoke, but didn’t forbid it. So could it really be you’re wrong? HmmmmmmMidwest2 A look in the mirror would be appropriate
I didn’t attack anyone. The voices here that tried portraying smokers as vicious killers are the ones who should be toning it down a bit.
When was the last time you bought a whole fish? Cut it out.
The store still as overhead. This isn’t complicated.
The answers so far:
RY: it’s disgusting (true)
Avi K.: it’s assault (what??)
FNY: there’s little indication that occasional second hand smoke actually does anything besides annoy you (true)
Midwest: rodef (what??)
Me: it can’t be “rodef” or “assault” because it’s mutter l’halacha
LIK: I have- no shame,
Lots of chutzpah,
Bad character traits,
No Torah values
And should be ignoredHealth: Avi K. Is wrong, it’s not assault. It’s attempted murder. (what???????)
Subtitles: somthing about sikrikim shouting Nazi ( thank God for Goodwin’s law) and something about ethics.
Hyperbole much?
When the terms assault, attempted murder, and rodef are used, it’s not a question of ethical good behavior, it’s a question of halacha.
You should be this aggravated the next time you see a conservative Jew doing chulel Shabbos. C”v
uncommon,
Premarital relations are also considered “normal”
Take two – lol
But Joseph hits the nail on the head, I think it’s highly inappropriate.
Sorry for the typos
Takes two
Where I shop in Brooklyn (krm, Moshe’s, bingo), kosher cream cheese is less than $3 and flknin is approximately $12 a pound
Everyday
On sale, cream cheese is less than $2 and the meat goes down to about $8.99
Kosher fish stores need kosher certification and are usually situated in high-rent neighborhoods
The price of clothes staying the same is due to volume. There’s no volume in selling hats.
“My right to breathe beats your “right to do want I want.” You can do without smoking (try it). I can’t do without breathing.”
It’s right to smoke on public property. Since it’s legal for me to do sO, I will continue doing it.
It’s not nice to do, that I understand. It’s not nice to yell obscenities at people either. But it’s perfectly legal to do so.
Your perceived health issues isn’t my problem.
You can always move, or buy yourself a few Acres of property, sit in the middle of it and not be exposed to my smoke.
The following is a kol korah regarding smoking, from the most widely accepted rabanim of yesteryear. Notice, smoking isn’t forbidden, it’s extremely frowned upon, and people are urged not to smoke and to stop smoking if possible. It’s not forbidden.
We hereby appeal to our precious, beloved young folk who are not yet addicted to smoking, the bad habit whose end result can be very bitter: Please, dear brothers, do not do harm to yourselves and do not contaminate your surroundings by taking up this evil habit. Our holy Torah is a code of life which we must live by. Hashem wants us to guard our health so that we will be able to serve Him. Far be it from us to take this matter of health lightly, all the more so in an area which doctors are convinced is very damaging. Whoever can avoid smoking and prevent others from doing so, is obligated therein.
Whoever has already succumbed to this habit is obligated to try to the best of his ability to wean himself from it. He must surely refrain from smoking in a public place where others can inhale the smoke.
Yosef Sholom Eliashiv
Aharon Yehuda Leib Steinman
Moshe Shmuel Shapiro
Michel Yehuda Lefkowitz
S. Nissim Karelitz
Shmuel Auerbach
Via shemayisrael
Interesting enough, in 2012, the little I know claimed that these very same people declared smoking as an absolute issue. That’s disingenuous and misleading.
Health,
You say??????!????
And YOU are??????
You sound like Tendler, spewing nonsense that R Moshe WOULD HAVE said knowing today’s medical advances, THAT brain-dead is halachic death. Nonsense.
It’s not osser according to R Moshe. Period.
I understand thats not to your liking, but that’s the fact.
Ok
I’m not going to argue with Rav Lechem Shevet blog and “Toraht Brisk”.
I’ll stick with R Moshe.The little I know,
Again, R Moshe explicitly did not forbid it.Health, that’s a stretch. Source?
It’s not osser.
Doesn’t mean you should be doing it, rather, it doesn’t meet the standard of being halachicly forbidden.Just for the record, I’ve never smoked a day in my life. I don’t Vape. I don’t drink alcohol regularly and I’m not addicted to anything
Avi k
You have no right to differentiate between different groups of Jews. Deriding one group of Jews, any group of Jews is anti-Semitic.
The article is full of lies and is anti-Semitic.
Going a few miles over the speed limit is not half as bad as hogging the left lane
There are a bunch of studies that prove that.
You should be driving as fast as you can without getting a ticket, or create a dangerous situation
Fake rabbis.
Fake representatives of Judaism.
Fake Torah
Fake daveningThe little,
I did not say R. Moshe says its mutter.
I wrote “Not osser according to R. Moshe”. Of course RM didn’t think it’s a good idea to start.Not osser according to R. Moshe
Joseph, ditto.
If parents believe they need to know, then all minhugim go out the window.
The stones were there as chairs
Takes2-2tango
Doing a mitzvah can NEVER be a CH
Would you allow your child to eat a cheeseburger?
Assuming that there was no social pressure, would you allow your child to eat a cheeseburger? why or why not?
DISCLAIMER: this is asked with the assumption that everything is within halachic boundaries. It is also a question that is simply based on my awareness that peer pressure is an attribute of all communities, including frum ones.
Unless she plans to have tremendous volume, it’s not worth it.
If they can make a push that using a smartphone in a shul should be socially unacceptable, then this will have had a great success.
I hope it succeeds
screwdriverdelight
It’s cheaper
David,
There’s no penalty for lying.
Bravo Joseph
Rabbi Eckstein from Belz says it’s ok.
As I said, none of the Rothschilds today Jewish according to my research. Let alone, frum.
Mammala
Did Rebetzin Yemima Mizrachi specify which Rothschild family she was from? Because I can’t trace her father to the Mayer amschelBenjamin de Rothschild’s mother was raised catholic.
His father wasn’t frum. Although she converted to Judaism after she was pregnant with Benjamin, there’s no evidence that it was an orthodox conversion.Forget about frum.
According to my research, none are Jewish at this point.
Joseph, true, for non Jews,
NOT for Jews. For Jews, both are AZ3, same answer as above. The water can’t be used if it was recooked on Shabbos.
4, only something that’s completely dry can be reheated on Shabbos. Once liquid is involved, you can’t reheat it on Shabbos.
The concept that “it’s impossible to cook something that’s already cooked” (which allows for reheating completely dry cooked Foods) only applies to something that’s completely dry.
As always, confirm with a LOR
Health, what would be grounds for a lawsuit?
I received this message from a trusted source, but I can’t vouch for the authenticy of it.
A documentary film 93QUEEN is being released covering the story of Ezras Nashim.
The filming began more than 5 years ago when a frum female filmmaker pursued me to allow her to create a positive film depicting Chassidic women with a mission of modesty, who struggle for change. I consulted with Rabbonim and lawyers, confirming our intent to create a Kiddush Hashem in the media.
While I was assured I would have the opportunity to review and edit the film, due to a misunderstanding, the trailer and final version of the film was not in my control.
Yet, it is my fervent hope and prayer that 93QUEEN will be Mekadesh Sheym Shomayim….Rabbos Machshovos B’Lev Eesh….While people plan…. only HaShem’s will prevails.
Ruchie Freier
Health, you’ll defend anyone who’s against Hatzlah.
Sour grapes, you
Thinking,
The standards are different.
Health,
Einstein is BH in gan eden.
This רשע is not
zahavasdad
“Best you can afford” is key.
I’m sure חז”ל appreciates your sarcasm
Geordie613
Good pointCTR
You seem to be very upset about something, I can’t pinpoint exactly what. It’s also possible that over the years people started realizing that Yom Tov expenses are completely free.
And since it’s free, it’s important to get the very best you can afford.
Geordie613
Why can’t you make it before Shabbos?
The yidden eat motza in Egypt before they left