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Just gotta keep figuring it out. It’s not that difficult, with a little time. I don’t know why the mods can’t put a little ‘m’ or ‘f’ by each person’s name though. Oh, and I’m an ‘m’ by the way.
Is it just me, or is the term ‘over-moderation’ a bit of an oxymoron?
Trying to be helpful-
Gotcha.
Regarding the question, I need to look up a few things, but the truth is I had shver the whole idea that tzitzis may not be thrown out derech bizayon, when the gemara in Shabbos 22a and the rishonim there seem to indicate that derech bizayon is only a problem while the mitzva is ‘active’ (not sure if that’s a good translation of ??????). Perhaps the pshat is that since it’s ????? ?????? it still has somewhat of a din of ??????, in which case wouldn’t apply to Shabbos candles and the like. But iy”h I’ll be me’ayen. (I also think my rav has a teshuva on this, I’ll check and try to post what he says)
Popa bar Abba is certainly one to know…
Rabbi Frand.
My pleasure! I just happened to look at this thread and it’s really nice of you to take this effort to thank an anonymous poster such as myself 🙂
Trying to be helpful-
Chill. I learned my lesson last time and therefore specifically wrote if I’m not mistaken when I was quoting from memory. As for the B”Y, ain hochi nami, but when I have a pshat that I come up with myself with my chavrusa, in this kind of context, unless someone needs a makor, I’ll just say something like from my understanding, gufa because I don’t have a Tur offhand and can’t vouch that it’s brought down inside. The thing about burning right away I was sure about, though apparently I forgot that it was mefurash in the Tur. BTW I rarely give a response to a halacha sheila here without saying ask your rav, because I am fully aware that while I am at my computer I am way too lazy and incapable to check everything I say so that it be perfect enough to be relied upon, and everything I say is in a much lighter context. Not that I make anything up, chas veshalom; my point is that I don’t expect, nor should I, in my opinion, that people are going and paskening based on what yitayningwut quoted. I intend that my svaros should be food for thought and my references checked up before relying upon them.
Charliehall, I don’t think you and I are disagreeing much. I agree that there is nothing wrong with secular studies, and one can be a real talmid chochom and have a college degree as well. We also seem to agree that to become a real talmid chochom (On the level of those gedolim who have been mentioned) does require a considerable amount of time in which one is exclusively involved in limud hatorah, regardless of whether it is before or after one earns a secular degree. Regarding your statement that you aren’t sure about the ten member kollel thing, well, if you’re going to quote the Rambam about splitting one’s day between learning and working, shouldn’t you also take his word that a city needs 10 batlanim?
ItcheSrulik, I do not believe, at all, that everyone has to be toraso umenaso. However, for one who wishes to become a true talmid chochom, I do not think there is another way than the one I’ve been saying.
It’s not that everything is chazarah, but that to really understand what you are learning when you don’t have all day to be me’ayen, takes a considerable amount of prior knowledge and understanding. If a guy sits and learns for a number of years, going through most of shas and poskim, then it’s possible he will reach that level of talmid chochom even if the remainder of his years are spent with a schedule split between learning and other things. As for your Phd friend, I can only reiterate what Popa said. He is obviously the exception, and not the rule.
wanderingchana-
It’s not bubbe maises. I don’t know the exact makor but when I was in a history class my teacher (a brilliant man, and a rav as well) said that it comes from Rabbeinu Gershon who supposedly sat shiva when his son converted to Christianity, though there’s a question about a girsa with the story. It is well known however that R’ Shlomo Eiger sat shiva when his son R’ Leibel became a chosid (I think of the Kotzker). While I’m not suggesting we learn from that, and as the story goes R’ Akiva Eiger, R’ Shlomo’s father, disagreed with him, you certainly see the concept of sitting shiva when someone converts out of the religion. I don’t know what the source for sitting shiva for intermarriage is though.
Wolf-
From my understanding the reason why there are those who say the Chanuka lights are ????? ?????? even after the mitzva is over is specifically because during the mitzva one may not derive ???? from them, and therefore in the person’s mind he put that oil away for a mitzva so now he can’t use it for something else. However with Shabbos candles that ???? doesn’t apply, because they are made to have ???? from, during the time of the mitzva.
Trying to be helpful-
If I’m not mistaken the Beis Yosef (I think in the end of 678) brings down someone who says to burn it right away, because by keeping it around one might come to use it.
Nope, don’t know anyone who is a real, solid talmid chochom, who did not first spend a while exclusively involved in learning. And even if you find me an exception, I still do not believe it is normally possible. I’m not talking about someone who has a few yedios and can klerr pshat in a R’ Chaim or even someone who knows Mishna Brura backwards and forwards; by a solid talmid chochom I mean someone who knows shas and poskim cold and has the capacity to give it over to klal yisroel. As Popa said, it’s simply foolish to assume someone can become a top brain surgeon while attending law school at the same time he is in medical school. An amateur yes, but not a specialist. I simply don’t believe it, and I am talking from experience.
Chesedname, I couldn’t find that exact quote yet, but in Shmuel II perek 11 Abrabanel writes ?? ????? ???? ???? ????? ???, ??? ????? ?? ???? ?????… ??? ??? ?? ????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?????, ??? ???? ???? ??? ???????.
(Source: http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14367&st=&pgnum=344 – page 344)
BTW in the gemara in A.Z. I quoted above I mistakenly wrote Reuvain, I meant David. The point is the same.
chesedname-
I’m not sure, I’ll try to look it up for you. I know it because a rebbi of mine said it over in a chaburah, and when he saw me smirking, he said “I see the maskilim are laughing…”
First Law of Telecommunication – When someone you’re trying to reach finally calls you back, you’re in middle of Shemona Esrei.
Yechezkel, Rav Sololovetchik and Rav Hutner were certainly giants of their generation, but they only went to university after they had mastered much if not all of shas and poskim.
Trying My Best, indeed, that is a very popular “pro-kollel” argument. However, you must take into consideration that the Rambam is discussing a city, not the overall population of the world. So there are those who will argue that one town where %50 of the population learns all day does not accord with that Rambam. Also, it’s not so pashut it’s a ratio thing.
WIY-
By the way, for anyone interested, regarding that gemara of ?? ????? ???????? ??? ???? ??? ????, Abrabanel writes, ??? ???? ?? ?????? (!!).
I agree with Popa.
ItcheSrulik, I agree that one fulfills his requirement of limud hatorah without spending the whole day learning. However, I am extremely skeptical that one can become a real talmid chochom, posek, torah leader etc. that way. I simply don’t believe it. Therefore if that is one’s goal, telling him to make such a compromise will do nothing. You can debate from here till tomorrow whether or not that should be any specific person’s goal, but the point is if it is it will not happen with such compromises, at least not until he completes a considerable amount of shas and poskim.
Charlie, though the Rambam presents this as the halacha in hilchos Talmud Torah, he does also mention that a city (a 120 person city) has to have 10 batlanim, i.e. people who do nothing but sit in the beis medrash and learn all day. So clearly there are exceptions to the rule.
Blueprints, you happen to be wrong about the universities and anti-semitism. While that was the case in the areas of France and Germany, up until the Rambam’s time in Spain there was not much anti semitism at all, and many Jews received a secular education. It was called the Golden Age, check it up on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_the_Iberian_Peninsula
It’s a Gemara in Shabbos, 33b:
???? ???????? ????, ?????? ?????? ?? ????
Trying to be helpful-
You are absolutely right. I apologize for not checking it up inside before I posted. The Rema is coming from the Mahara M’Prague and in the D”M he quotes it at length. The Maharshal is also coming from the Mordechai, as I cited.
BP Totty- That’s a great idea!
According to my rav, a double wrapping is not necessary. As long as the surface is clean, and if it isn’t as long as your food is covered in a way that nothing will fall into it, you’re good to go. See what I’ve posted on the other, related thread.
rabbiofberlin-
Regarding splatters; that’s why I said one should check if the surface is clean. Also, my rav says as an eitza tova to cover the food with a napkin or plate to prevent splatters, just in case the next person won’t check if it’s clean. But that’s just an eitza tova, it isn’t required. Regarding bli’os from the splatters, I’m speculating because I do not know the sugya well enough, though I’m not a complete am ha’aretz in the area; before saying it is a problem one must consider that in normal microwaves the walls do not reach yad soledes bo, and therefore the splatter which is the il’a’ah cannot be bole’a completely into the walls which are the tata’ah, (according to the Rashba brought by the B”Y that the stationary thing is always the tata’ah). As for kedei klipah, well, being that the walls don’t get hot enough and they don’t touch the food which could possibly make them hot kedei klipah, they can never be poleit the issur. This also takes care of “hello99″‘s problem. I know this is all a bit technical, but I’m sure as a rabbi you know what I’m talking about.
BT Zaideh-
Good point, forgot about the D”M. He’s coming from the Maharshal though.
As was mentioned, there are many opinions, and you should ask your rav.
An opinion not mentioned here is that a microwave does not need to be kashered, and can be used for both milchigs and fleishigs as long as the surface is clean. This is the opinion of my rav, and is also the psak of R’ Berger, the posek of NIRC.
JK 😉
According to Wikipedea, Josephus writes, “And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights.”
I’m confused, you says kuvid like a chusid but then taireh like a real litvak. What’s pshat?
Where in Torah literature do we find a ???? ?????
In the ????”?, who writes: (In ??”? ??’ ??)
???? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??? ??? ????”? ??????? ?????
This ????”? is brought down (though not word for word) by the ??”?.
I don’t know a ???? for the “festival of lights”, though Chanuka certainly is a festival of lights…
It’s the end of “emes ve’emunah”, the part the chazzan says out loud. It’s the same in the Ashkenaz version.
Wolf-
If I am not mistaken, the Rambam in his Introduction to his Peirush Hamishnayos says that the reason those tana’im and all the earlier great people were not referred to as rabbi is because they were so great they did not need a title, as their name alone elicits respect. Similar, lehavdil, to great philosophers, doctors, and artists in history who are known only by their first names.
The gemara that is the source for this (Moed Katan 18a) specifically says that if they are dropped on the floor and then moved or swept to another place they lose the power to cause problems. The only time they can cause a miscarriage according to the gemara is when you cut or bite off your nail, drop it on the floor, and it stays there.
??? ???? ??? ?’ ?????: ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ??????, ???? ???? ?????
?? – ??????? ???? ?”? ??”?
Apparently ‘over-education’ was considered a ????? back then.
???? ???? ??? ????
my friend-
He must have learned the gemara (A.Z. 19a) that says ?? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????.
Alternatively, he didn’t go to all three, and he’s just proud that he lives in Brooklyn because of those yeshivos.
prof-
Thank you. Though I really do not want to get involved in the dicussion of Christianity per se even just in regard to what you’ve mentioned, I just wish to point out that there is another issue of giving money for ???? ?”?, besides for sacrificing and worshiping.
Gotta go to second seder.
Haha Sac, I’m not Moq, though I respect his knowledge very much and am honored to be confused with him.
I’m guessing that something happened and my second post went up first and that’s all you saw, but just in case, I was referring to –
“most of it probably goes to the maintenance of the church property…”
BTW with regard to my first point I forgot to mention the gemara is mefurash that lifnei iver only applies by a vaday, or at least a strong umdena.
Wolf-
As usual, for any halachic questions one should consult a rav.
That being said, I will express my opinion on the matter, in the context of an intellectual discussion.
I do not wish to enter right now into the age-old debate of whether or not Christianity is Avodah Zara and for whom, but either way I think it is ok in your case, being that first of all, even if it was actually you paying rent it isn’t definite or even probable that the money you give is being used directly for Avoda Zara, as most of it probably goes to the maintenance of the church property, other properties it owns, and to various charities this institution supports. See SA YD 149:4-5 and the sugya in Avoda Zara. Moreover, there is a tzad to say that there is no such thing as lifnei iver on the lav of lifnei iver. It’s one way to understand a gemara in Avoda Zara that says ????? ????? ?? ???????. Therefore since your company is at most being over on lifnei iver by supporting this institution, you would only be doing ???? ?????. Moreover, I agree with what everyone has been saying, that the company is paying regardless of your involvement, and thus there is certainly no lifnei iver d’oraisa on your part. However this alone I think is a weak arguement, because as Tosafos says in Shabbos 3a, even when it isn’t ??? ???? ????? there is still an issur d’rabbanan. Though if you’re ????? in that Tosafos I think one could be mechaleik and say your case is not even assur mi’d’rabanan. At any rate, IMHO you have nothing to worry about and it is no problem.
Ok maybe I was a bit rash and shouldn’t have snapped at everyone like that. I could have made my point in a nicer way, and I sincerely apologize to everyone. But I still stand by my point.