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yitayningwutParticipant
hello99-
I do make a ha’etz on chocolate, and on orange juice as well. Tosafos about the beer (I assume you’re talking about the bishul akum Tosafos in AZ) is not a raya because as you write about coffee, it is just flavored water. A chocolate drink, such as hot cocoa, would be the same. The truth is you seem to know the sugya a lot better than me, but I know my rav has a lengthy teshuva about it and I will try to look it over and post his key points. L’halacha however, this is what he holds.
yitayningwutParticipantCoffee you might say is batel b’rov in the water. Orange juice and the like might be a better question, though it is more common to eat a whole orange than a whole coffee or cocoa bean.
yitayningwutParticipanthello99-
Im kein, would you agree that chocolate is ha’etz?
yitayningwutParticipantBitul Torah is not engaging in something that isn’t Torah, bitul Torah is engaging in wasting time.
Sorry pal, there’s no way you are going to convince me that my command of Hebrew/Aramaic is that bad.
Just curious, in that long list of names you are hiding behind, is there even one – pre World War II – who studied other things before they completed Mikra, Mishna and Talmud?
September 11, 2011 2:51 am at 2:51 am in reply to: write a grammatically correct sentence with the word 'and' 5 times consecutively #808302yitayningwutParticipantSo basically you want me to try to write and, and, and, and, and and, and not make any grammatical errors. Something like that?
yitayningwutParticipantHow can you compare learning science to shaking a lulav? Shaking a lulav is a chiyuv, and is the only way to be mekayem that particular chiyuv. You admitted that studying science isn’t a mitzva per se, but rather a way to be mekayem the general mitzva of recognizing and loving Hashem. Couldn’t a person fulfill this mitzva – at least on the level of strict obligation – without going to college?
So again, what right do you have to be mevatel your chiyuv of Talmud Torah to study science? Shouldn’t you at least finish Shas and Poskim first?
yitayningwutParticipantWhy isn’t college bitul Torah?
yitayningwutParticipantAnyone else notice how Sarah Cohen10, gimpelstrasser, simchatzufreedan, Rina Schiff, floewy, and Sam Bendov all have only posted on one thread – this one – and are all brand new members? Add to that the fact that both Sarah Cohen and Grumpy Gimpel start of their response in the same uncommon way – “dear so and so.” Add to that that a lot of these brand new usernames are actual names; not the most common choice among us posters.
I don’t have to be a mod or a detective to see that this is one big fat trolling thread.
good catch. they also share an IP address. thread closed.
yitayningwutParticipantAbelleh-
Ok, but when you wrote to “study” science I assumed you meant ???????.
September 9, 2011 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm in reply to: can i date a girl without Shadchan????????/ #808721yitayningwutParticipantLOL, way to go Popa. We ashkenazim finally get a break, ain’t no one gonna take it away from us!
September 9, 2011 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm in reply to: What is the value in giving others a bracha? #808008yitayningwutParticipant?? ??? ???? ????? ??? ??????
A brilliant pun is attributed to the second wife of the Maharil Diskin, who told him before the chupa:
?? ??? ???? ??? ????? ??????
(There are sources attributing this to others as well. Either way I think it’s genius.)
yitayningwutParticipantYes, but why aren’t you engaged in Talmud Torah? You finished it? You’re in the bathroom?
September 9, 2011 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm in reply to: can i date a girl without Shadchan????????/ #808719yitayningwutParticipantItcheSrulik-
Sorry for the late response, I haven’t been around. I am aware of the halacha. Even the Mechaber would be matir to have a coke, and according the Rema regular beer is not a problem either.
yitayningwutParticipantBecause it’s bitul Torah.
yitayningwutParticipantma’avir – to go over
sedra – the parsha
yitayningwutParticipantwhy should they go find it in science or whatever
Because science is like a piece of jewelry for a woman, as the Talmud relates:
??? ???? ??? ?’ ????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ?? – ??????? ??? ?:?
yitayningwutParticipantTry to make the person feel special for the good qualities he/she actually possesses.
September 5, 2011 2:31 am at 2:31 am in reply to: can i date a girl without Shadchan????????/ #808689yitayningwutParticipantItcheSrulik-
What halachic issue is there with drinking in a bar? Assuming it’s not some kind of pritzusdike place.
yitayningwutParticipantNer Israel
yitayningwutParticipantEvery talmid chacham today would be considered an utter am haaretz two or three hundred years ago
Hogwash.
yitayningwutParticipantI do not think I know more than a couple of people in Lakewood who do not have 107.9 as a preset on their radio. They have shiurim on every night as well. And no, I do not believe it is a ‘gateway’ radio station, especially since it’s at the end of the dial (for those who still use analog) and therefore so easy to find.
yitayningwutParticipantThe people who weren’t descended from the 12 shevatim who jumped on the bandwagon and went along with the Jewish People leaving Egypt. While officially they accepted Hashem and stood at Har Sinai, they caused lots of problems and many times incited Klal Yisroel to do bad things.
September 4, 2011 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm in reply to: Going around barefooted or without shoes on at home #805940yitayningwutParticipantWhat about the kohanim?
yitayningwutParticipantAren’t they called bumpers because you’re supposed to bump into them? That’s what I always thought…
yitayningwutParticipantgefen- He was all excited about getting his free wifi in his suit there earlier in the week, so I figured maybe he stayed in Chicago to make use of another week of seltzer and wifi at the Westin, even if he didn’t actually stay there for Shabbos. Please stop me if I’m over-thinking this…
Oh, and as for my screen name, I know there are some here here who get it, and Popa is one of them. Not trying to keep it a secret. Though I like to look interesting and mysterious 😉
yitayningwutParticipantgefen- I think he was there to use the wifi in his suit at the Westin.
yitayningwutParticipantBut I know people who are fools and I try to be sensitive by not using that word to denigrate people.
LOL!
yitayningwutParticipantYes, but he was referring to the colloquial usage of the word. Hence the trolling aspect.
September 2, 2011 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm in reply to: For Princesseagle and anone who thinks "the grass is greener" out there #808783yitayningwutParticipantHaha slip of the tongue there
yitayningwutParticipantToi- Open it slowly, and do not hold it in the air when you open it. Place it on a flat surface and hold it down firmly with one hand and open very slowly with the other. You shouldn’t have this problem anymore.
yitayningwutParticipantObviously the rabbanim/rabbeim who make such rules are not dumb or ignorant. They are well aware that it doesn’t say in Shulchan Aruch that women may not drive. It is a decision they make based on the culture they live in, and that’s something which many of you pretentious, holier-than-thou, anonymous posters have no inkling of understanding in. Get a life, and start practicing the tolerance you preach.
yitayningwutParticipantLomed Mkol Adam-
Sorry for the delayed response. I believe I have made my point and don’t see this going any further, but have enjoyed this discussion. I will not be around often for a while as the zman has begun here; I wish you all the best.
yitayningwut
yitayningwutParticipantWho said anything about the perp’s father?
yitayningwutParticipantyichusdik-
While you make a good point, people are not as narrow-minded as you think. It’s not just politics. The fact is that someone who is lax in some areas of issur v’heter is more likely to be lax in other areas of issur v’heter than someone who is lax in hilchos bein adam l’chaveiro. It’s not about ostracizing good people. It’s about pragmatism.
yitayningwutParticipantI like your warped logic 😉
*smoking a cigarette*
August 28, 2011 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm in reply to: Bishul Yisroel, Pas Yisroel, Cholov Yisroel #808427yitayningwutParticipantThat is very funny 🙂
yitayningwutParticipantLomed Mkol Adam-
Additionally, it is not possible for a human being to be both good hearted and evil hearted; it’s either one or the other.
Chacham-
Yes, I agree. As the Rambam writes on the spot: ???? ???? ??, ????? ??? ???? ??????, ?? ????? ????? ??? ?? ??? ???, ??? ??? ????? ??????, ??? ?? ???.
yitayningwutParticipantI took a walk outside (a few minutes ago). I LOVE this weather.
August 28, 2011 2:03 am at 2:03 am in reply to: Who is your favorite member, responding to threads? #807079yitayningwutParticipantI enjoy many posters’ posts including but not limited to – (in alphabetical order) Charliehall, cshapiro, Gavra at Work, Haifagirl, HaLeiVi, Health, hello99, ItcheSrulik, Lomed Mkol Adam, Mod 80, Popa bar Abba (as if I didn’t alredy mention you), and SJS, Lots of others too, this pounding rain is just not letting me think.
yitayningwutParticipantHow do you see/prove otherwise?
I think that if the Torah says not to have pity, it is telling us that the feeling of pity is bad in this situation. Which leads me to believe that the goodness of this feeling is not absolute/inherent. Same with love. I think this is “pashut pshat.”
Hashem is Kaviyochol defined with “Midas Harachamim”…
The Rambam says it the way I said it. (Guide 1:58)
So, I guess according to you evil/cruel feelings within us are in fact “not bad” either only “neutral” and depending on circumstances? So there is no essence of “tov” or “rah” within us at all?
Exactly. You start off with with a blank slate and have the capacity to define yourself through your actions as either good or bad.
I don’t believe I must provide proof for my way of thinking. Any philosophical/theological inquiry should start with nothing, or at least only with the indisputable dogmas. Saying that man is born with a blank slate is assuming less then saying that God endowed him with some kind of prophecy; that his emotions are inherently good. You are the only one saying a chiddush here.
yitayningwutParticipantLomed Mkol Adam-
1) I understood you very well. You are missing my point. Even if you say that the emotion of love is good when directed properly, that does not make it inherently good. Inherently good means absolutely good. Absolutely good means no exceptions.
Hashem does not have character traits. Brush up on your Rambam if you want to know why this is so. We are commanded to be like Hashem, just as his actions are those of mercy, so should ours.
2) a) I disagree.
b) Yes, he was sorry that he couldn’t help her, but not because it was a moral issue, rather because it was something that was causing her agmas nefesh.
c) Exactly.
d) Again, I disagree. And according to you, the Rambam had a skewed sense of morality.
Lastly, again, I disagree, and I believe it is as I explained.
Our disagreements stem from a fundamental disagreement of whether there are good feelings/ideals inborn in a person. You believe there are; I don’t. Therefore to you, “pashut pshat” in many statements of Chazal will be very different from what “pashut pshat” is to me.
yitayningwutParticipantSo Popa really is Mod 80!
yitayningwutParticipantVery cute 🙂
yitayningwutParticipantChacham, Sam2-
????? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ????
???? ??? ???? (???? ????) ??”? ??? ???? ?”?
August 25, 2011 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm in reply to: Incredible Gematria Regarding the Earthquake #801901yitayningwutParticipantI’m sure if you tried hard enough you could come up with a gematria that would say there would be an earthquake today as well.
yitayningwutParticipantadorable-
But my rav said there’s nothing to worry about, so why should I worry? That was his psak so why should I look at it like it’s iffy?
yitayningwutParticipantLomed Mkol Adam-
1) I was proving from the possuk “V’Uhavta L’Reiacha Komocha” that a natural emotional feeling can be considered “good” even though the essence of emotions is self serving.
Again, even if as you say the Torah is referring to the emotion, it is the circumstance which makes it good. A different circumstance would render that same emotion not good and unhealthy. Ergo, the emotion is not inherently good.
If the Torah considers natural feelings of love towards another Jew a “Mitzvah”, then kal v’chomer it can be classified in general as “good”.
Additionally the Derasha of Chaza”l on the possuk “V’Hulachta B’Druchuv”-“Ma Hu Rachum Af Atu Rachum” pashtus means to infer to the actual characteristic trait of “compassion” unrelated to deeds. So the Torah considers the actual characteristic trait of “compassion” not only “good” and a “mitzvah” but even a following of the ways of God.
No, that is not the pashtus. The pashtus is that we cannot attribute any emotion to Hashem, and if he is called merciful it is because he acts that way. Similarly, a person should act that way. Furthermore, of course there are times when to be merciful is wrong as well. Which again shows that it is not inherently a good trait.
Any rule which has even one exception is not absolute. Saying something is inherently good is the same as saying it is absolutely good. If an emotion, even in only one case, is not good, you cannot say it is inherently good. That is all I am saying.
2) a) the obvious reason why Beth Din should try hard to find fault in the evidence, is because of compassion for the guilty person; the same way Avrohom Avinu plead with Hashem to withhold punishment from Sidom even though they were deserving of the punishment.
If you were correct, then legal arguments should not be necessary to let the guy off the hook. There should be no reason to have to claim ??? ????? ??? ???. You should just be able to argue the morality clause and get him off the hook. Clearly the halacha does not recognize these feelings.
b) This would seem to infer that the Tanna did not approve the behavior and would obviously not do so himself.
d) it’s obvious that my explanation of these two separate stories is the simplest explanation which explains both stories the same way.
???? ???? ?? ??? ????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ????.
What is the context of this statement? Well, just beforehand the Gemara says:
????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ??? ???? ?????, ???? ??, ???? ???, ????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ????, ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ??????, ???? ???? ?? ??? ????? ?? ????…
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Here are the words of the Rambam:
????? ???”? ????? ????? “????? ????” ???????? ??? ?? ???? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ???? ????. ??? ?????? ???? ?? ???, ??? ?????? ?? ????? ????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ?? ?????. ?????? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????? ???? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ????? – ???? ???? ????.
Also, the Meiri is known for his position that ????? ???”? does not apply to civilized non-Jews, but that is a different story.
In the Zohar it says that many animals/fish carry ‘gilgulim’ of lost nishomos which need a tikkun; and the way they get a tikkun is through a Tzaddik shechting and eating them. This is how I understand why the Tana’im ate animal meat.
Nevertheless we see in the Gemara that Rabbeinu Hakodosh was reprimanded for not showing sufficient compassion for the animal which was being led for slaughter.
Yes, but he was not reprimanded for allowing it to be slaughtered. Moral of the story? Have as much compassion as you can have without it infringing on you enjoying your steak.
yitayningwutParticipantFrom Brooklyn to Lakewood took you three hours? You took local roads or something?
yitayningwutParticipantLomed Mkol Adam-
By the way, I am noting through your arguments that you believe the tana’im and amora’im to have had heightened senses of “morality.” In that case, according to your own reasoning, why were they not vegetarians?
yitayningwutParticipantLomed Mkol Adam-
1) The possuk says “V’Uhavta L’Reiacha Komocha”.
through the actual feelings of love/connection we are doing something which is inherently good.
2) The obvious reason why the Gemara states a negative comment on a Beth Din which gave Missa/capital punishment once in seventy years, is because of our moral feelings not to deliver such severe punishment on a person.
it’s understood that proper moral behavior would not commit Bi’ah Shelo Kidarkah even though it is permitted
Do you think any of the sages in the Gemara who might have been a Goel Hadam would have killed an accidental murderer?
Why did Rabbi Yochanon Ben Zachai greet nicely every Gentile he met in the street; wasn’t it because of his natural moral feelings? Also, Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai who returned lost objects to a gentile even though halachically it’s permitted to keep “Aveidas Nuchri”; wasn’t it because of his moral feelings?
The proper place to look for answers to these questions is in the rishonim. There are multiple mehalchim offered that are plain and simple.
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