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I’m having deja vu:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/am-i-a-conversation-stopper
always – hey, you’re not the only ones…
People will have preconceptions regardless of whether or not they share them. All sharing them does is to allow a discussion to ensue, which I think causes more benefit than harm.
Popa – I hear.
True. We don’t follow precedent. But to an extent, we use precedent to figure out the halacha, which is based in the Gemara and our brains.
However, this isn’t entirely true. When there was semicha, a Beis Din had the power to actually be koveia halacha. The Gemara (I forget where at the moment) says that the reason the words of a minority opinion were recorded even though the halacha was hukva according to the majority, is so that a future Beis Din should have a precedent in case they wish to overturn the previous Beis Din’s halacha.
lol
“Planned? Planned?! You don’t plan sincerity… You gotta make it up on the spot!”
And my point is – who cares?
So what if I think this is THE reason and he thinks that is THE reason and she thinks that is THE reason? Most of us in our everyday lives are not in the helping-kids-at-risk business anyway. If someone opines that a certain fault is the cause, then they will go and fix that in their own life. Eventually people will start to be mashpia on each other because each person will see the other working on a specific area, and the world will naturally become a better place.
So who cares? Let people have opinions. It won’t make things worse.
Actually, I think a fundamental difference between halacha and American style common law, is that halacha does not follow precedent at all.
In halacha, we don’t mainly read old cases, we read treatises. And old cases are not treated as having any more binding force than a treatise by the same author.
I don’t really get what you mean. Care to explain?
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If you qualify, go for it.
Knowing why kids go off is not only advantageous for one who wants to help the kids, but also for one who wants to prevent it.
Therefore, if I believe that kids go off because their parents are obnoxious, and as such I make an extra effort to break any obnoxious habits I may have, and Yankel Shmerel believes that kids go off because there is too much pressure, so he eases up on the pressure, and Hentcha Genendel believes that kids go off because they aren’t taught enough about certain things, so she teaches her kids these things, and so on, what’s to lose?
My point is that it’s worth everyone spouting their boich svaros because while it might not help much in the quest of bringing people back, it does have an impact on the way people think, and causes them to think more about their behavior in the future, thus avoiding the issue to begin with.
always runs with scissors fast – If OneOfMany’s explanation didn’t do it (lol, thanks) here’s mine from another thread:
As for my name – it’s “you are tayna-ing what?” with a yeshivishe accent, a catch-phrase that can mean various things based on context, such as “Explain, please, what exactly are you talking about,” or “Aha… that’s what you mean!” or You mean to say – what??!!” etc. I hope this elongated explanation didn’t cause my yeshivishe colleagues to roll their eyes… 🙂
Hey, let’s not generalize.
🙂
LOL yeah I was baiting you…
Yeah, he wasn’t.
The Avnei Milu’im was actually a contemporary of the Ketzos.
Hey Popa, you got a new subtitle! (You don’t find it offensive, do you?)
In my previous post, I was not talking about everyone.
No one needs to do teshuva for wearing jeans.
(Unless someone made took an oath that s/he wouldn’t wear jeans or some other consideration like that.)
Sam2 –
I guarantee you that not a single shul in Lakewood would disqualify you for a minyan based on the color of your shirt.
The hypocritical, self-righteous judgementalism of some posters in here is blatant.
Oh, look at how much sinas chinam those people have… Let’s all mock them and act all sad that the Beis Hamikdash isn’t around, as if it affects our lives one bit… Waaaaah….
No, I most certainly do not condone any of the spitting and what not that is going on. So I will voice my opinion, and say it is wrong. That’s all.
And by the way, blaming Chareidim for what’s going on is no different than blaming black people for crime, or Islam for terrorism. I know there are posters in the CR who would do that, but interestingly enough it’s not them who launch these sweeping generalizing attacks against Chareidim. Suddenly it isn’t a primitive way of thinking, huh. Ironic, isn’t it?
I agree with OneOfMany. Moreover, Chazal were worried about Always’s concerns, and therefore they instituted certain specific takanos – i.e. bishul akum, pas akum, stam yeinam (partly), date beer in their houses, and maybe a couple more I’m forgetting. Apparently they believed that these decrees were enough to take care of any problems, so we do not need to institute our own.
Oh please. Shutting up the free exchange of ideas is way more counterproductive.
If there is a problem that you care to fix, you try to find the root of the problem. The answer to the OP’s question, “does it really matter?” is – to someone who cares, yes.
Besides, who cares if everyone has their own opinion which to them is the one and only reason why kids go off? Let each person with an opinion work on whatever it is they believe the cause to be, and maybe then things will change!
always – that’s where the nekudas habechira concept kicks in
Raise eyebrows.
LOL Goq, what about the hat itself?
I had one! Finally. Actually two. But I’ll need to have six more for mehadrin min hamehadrin.
That’s a shtickel racist.
As it shouldn’t.
Nu nu.
Hey!
Sam2 –
I think he was being facetious. Not that I agree with his point, at all. I think the Maccabeats are wonderful.
It definitely isn’t about me…
They are going like R’ Moshe.
Write the book!
Popa – I totally agree.
OneOfMany –
The next halacha in Shulchan Aruch reads (see above link):
???? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ???????? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ????
“It is permitted to support their poor, to visit their sick, to bury their dead, to eulogize them, and to console their mourners, because of ‘ways of peace’.”
Seriously? Which thread? Tell us, please!
OneOfMany –
Some random person asks you for a dollar to buy a lottery ticket. Basically a situation where you do not know the person, and there will also be no negative repercussions by you saying no (because no one would expect you to say yes).
It is ??? ???? and not the same as ????.
R’ Moshe holds that our ovens are the same as a machavas. My rav and rosh chabura both hold there is no issue of zeiah in our ovens at all. A guy in Lakewood put out a sefer saying that you do not need to burn out an oven between milk and meat, and that possibly you can cook them both together uncovered. In R’ Belsky’s haskama he goes to town on the guy saying you can’t uproot the minhag that the women always had to burn out ovens, simply by your pilpul. The guy asked R’ Shlomo Miller who said he doesn’t remember there ever being such a minhag (I think this is in the footnotes, but I heard it from my rosh chabura). Also, they say R’ Aharon held there was no problem.
Hey OneOfMany, I was just gonna look for that thread to link it! Thanks.
Lol… OneOfMany, thank you for pointing out that obvious fact.
Not a problem, and as mommamia said, it would be rude not to.
Here is the halacha: http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9146&st=&pgnum=149
It is clear that if you know the person you are allowed to give him a gift, because it is never called “free” when you know the person.
(By the way, the issur of Lo Sechaneim – pashtus – applies equally to all non-Jews except one who is a ger toshav.)
Yes, please do explain.
hatzolajew –
Call it what you want, but at the end of the day trying to argue that Gush isn’t Modox is like trying to argue that Lakewood isn’t yeshivish.
That being said, both Gush and KBY are wonderful yeshivos (though I believe Gush has the edge academically).
And they are entitled to make decisions themselves.
True. But it’s the parent’s money.