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For example, relying on heter mechirah is not something surprising and/or out-of-line for the OU to do.
This is false. They don’t.
Avi Weiss’s the Bayit is an OO shul and OU shul. They have four (!) years to shape up before the OU kicks them out.
I hope when it comes to kashrus, the OU makes the factories shape up quicker.
5ish: I will dignify you with a response (because I have ahavas yisroel.) A “Melech” means king. “Im Yakum Melech Byisroel” means a if a king will arise in Israel.”
Unless you have a different translation if Melech, or Yakum, of course. Do you mind telling us what you think those words mean?
5ish, it’s amazing that a chassidus that deovtes itself to learning the Rambam can’t even parse a simple Rambam. The answer to your question is in the question itself: The king will be listened to BECAUSE HE IS A KING. And if you don’t listen to a king, you die. Simple. Only after he does all the things will he be Moshiach. But it won’t matter, because we listen to him due to his status of king, not of Moshaich.
BTW, the Rebbe was not a king, so he isn’t Moshiach.
” all I am saying is that it is technically possible”
Not true, you are saying it’s incumbent on a chassid to hope for his Rebbe to be Moshiach, which is stupid and makes chassidus into a sports team (and may I point out, no one outside of chabad believes this anyway).Two: It’s not technically possible, because the Rebbe isn’t greater than Dovid Hamelech. Even ignoring the Rambam, and going with thw gemara which does say mashiach can come from the dead, it clearly states it will be Daniel, not the Rebbe.
Whatsaktome, its quite clear from your posts that all your knowledge in this sugya is from hearsay and you haven’t looked in anything inside. May I suggest you do that?
Kluger and Jospeh: You cannot learn the severity of an aveirah from the punishment. This is clear from multiple places in the Torah – I’ll suffice with two examples here:
One: One who gives all his kids to Molech evades punishment, while one who gave only part gets killed, even though clearly one who gave all is worse.
Two: Being bo’el a goy is seemingly ad’rabbanan (at least based on the punishment), but its considered worse than being bo’el a niddah.
Thus, in Torah thought, the punishment shows no outlook on the severity of the crime.
Furthermore, the Rambam writes that one who is going to be me’aness a woman (or anyone, really) against her will is a rodef and anyone can kill her, which makes the prohibition among the most severe in the Torah. One going to steal or be mazik is not a rodef, but one going to molest is. Obviously, a molester is on par with a murderer.Grey Matter: I have a different criterium than you: I think you should judge a leader by his results. So the Rambam, even though he was attacked, accomplished only good for klal Yisroel. The same by the baal shem tov. However, lehavdil, Moses Mendelson shr”y, although personally frum, destroyed much of klal yisroel. Same with Shabsai Tzvi.
The Lubavicher Rebbe is a mixedbag: He made tons of people frum and brought them closer to Hashem. However, he also ended up causing (albeit indirectly) many yidden to believe in kefira.Whatsaktome – really? You really think it’s possible? Out of all the potential moshiachs – Dovid hamelech, Daniel, Chazal, Rabi Shimon Bar Yochai, etc etc, the biggest of all of them is the Rebbe? That’s insane. That’s why any Chabadnik who believes that the Rebbe “could” be Moshiach has something wrong in his yiddishkeit – because he implicitly believes (whether he is aware of it or not) that the Rebbe is bigger than all the other gedolim who are also dead.
Now it’s possible that while the Rebbe was alive he was the biggest in his generation – and even a potential Moshiach. That’s not nuts at all to believe in. But once he starts competing with dead people, no way he’s the greatest.
Kluger – you are thinking very krum. First of all, almost all molesters are repeat molesters, and one who is going to molest somebody has the halachic catagory of rodef – and it is a chiyuv to kill them!
Furthermore, even by one who won’t repeat the act, a king will often mete out justice in cases where bais din can’t convict. That was one of the purposes of a king.“The Brisker R”Y said circumstances imposed by the Israeli government upon Bnei Torah living in Eretz Yisroel may compel us to move out to chutz l’aaretz to continue our Torah life.”
He never said it.
“Families if charedi jews who came there first should be given their own autonomous territory, ”
And how long would that territory last exactly? I give it a year tops.
I think women’s suffrage should end. There has not been a single good thing to come out of it. As Ann Coulter wisely pointed out, without Women’s Suffrage, the only Democratic President since FDR who would’ve been elected is Jimmy Carter. Can you imagine only Republican Presidents? No Clinton? This country would be way better.
Grey: Actually it is an excellent, smart and brilliantly devious post. One of the main tainos against chabad is the Rebbe’s interesting interpretations of 770 as the bais hamikdash and he said in a sicha that when a rebbe speaks its “shechina medaberes metoch grono”. 5ish assumes he preempted all taanois against the rebbe in this regard with this quote, as the chozeh is accepted by all of klal yisroel.
However, careful readers of my comments will note that I only criticize the chasidim – not the rebbe. And many chasidim take all these quotes to believe that the rebbe is moshiach or even a godlike figure – which they dont believe in regards to the chozeh. And furthermore, nowhere in that quote does it justify omnipotence and omniscience.
Also, if I was being an anti-rebbe litvak i would point out that the quote doesn’t defend atzmus umahus meluvash beguf. (Though Keravelt justified it earlier.)
Keravelt, once we’re defending sichos, how do you understand the sukkah sicha (not attacking just curious)?
Joseph: I responded to you yesterday, but my account has been shadowbanned… maybe there’s some deep secret i let out?
Either way, the gist of my response was that I believe you’re a troll because those rebbeim would never ever use the internet, because “unzer” are way better than that. (Who knows, maybe the mods will go through the spam folder and you will have the pleasure of reading my full response.)
Ubiq: I agree with Joseph that woman’s suffrage should be repealed. If woman could vote, the only democrat that would have been elected since FDR would be Jimmy Carter.
Syag – q out of five boys is the public school numbers. I’m scared to find out the real ones in Yeshiva. When I was in the Mir, around half the shiur had been prescribed meds at one point in their lives (including me.) That’s not normal.
And meds aren’t tools – they are masks. They may mask the symptoms enough to let you learn tools, but they are not tools.
MODS: My main account (Yeshivishrockstar) seems to be heading to spam. I haven’t posted anything offensive nor broken the rules, so I am not sure why I am blocked.
Syag: Of course there are kids who should be medicated. But its hard to believe its on out of three to one out of five, which is the rate for boys in public schools nowadays, al achas vachas more in our yeshivos.