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Even in the so called “emotions”, which are obviously representations of something we cannot fathom – ‘humour’ is different. Anger, Disappointment, and other such emotions – can be used as descriptions of how HKB”H ‘reacts’ to us. Humor, however, isn’t a feeling towards a person or thing; it is a perception. HKB”H sees everything from ‘all angles’, as it where, and therefore the concept of humour doesn’t make sense, even as a metaphor.
There’s no such thing as an illegitimate hashkafa question. But the answer is an absolute No. HKB”H can have no emotions, no perception. Any form of emotion attributed to HKB”H should not be taken in literal terms.
Er… York?
Was this where the Baalei Tosfos wrote Tos’ Baba Kama 77? Or was that a different massacre?
Catch yourself – Sorry, my retort sounded a little harsh, although i didn’t mean it. I apologize if I sounded sharp.
catch yourself – I wasn’t talking about drinking after he opened it, I was talking about passing it to him to open for himself, as is pretty evident from my post.
And lived forever
A dangerous joke. No, I don’t go around broadcasting my views on smoking. Yes, maybe I should. But I know at least three people personally who have died from smoking. One very recently, one about five years ago, the other about twenty years ago. (The third I never met, but I am very friendly with his family)
It is a very immature teenage outlook that is unfortunately extremely prevalent in our generation – I smoke, I feel fine, none of my friends have died, so I Am Safe. A rebellious ‘I-am-clever-than-thou’ attitude.
Someone mentioned Hashovas Aveida on Cigarettes… It reminds me; when I was in a certain Yeshiva Ketana, a bochur found a pack of cigs, and wasn’t sure whether he was allowed to return them. The Mashgiach took them, and put up a sign saying that the bochur who wants them back can come and claim them from the Mashgiachs room.
A. Hilchos Tzedakah: The halacha requires us to provide the destitute with their needs, ‘Dei Machsoro’ (this is not translated as luxuries). This probably does not include feeding an addiction (aside, perhaps, for one of coffee 😉 )
I’m not so sure about that. Once one is addicted, surely this is a need? Perhaps a harmful, self inflicted need, but a need nonetheless?
Lifnei Iver only applies to something that is (a) definitely assur, and (b) when you are enabling the issur. If the person doing the “issur” has a heter to do so, or if you are merely assisting by making it more convenient, but not enabling directly, then there is no problem.
yekke: Yes. But you are assuming that there are legitimate Shittos Bizman HaZeh that allow smoking. Pashtus is there are none.
Sam2 – You are definitely much more of a Talmid Chochom than I am; no question about that. I unfortunately don’t profess a bekiyus in the contemporary Poskim, so I cannot verify nor dispute your statement. I do know the stance of todays Poskim about beginning to smoke, but do all poskim hold that smoking [for somebody who has been addicted for 20 years] is assur?
Coffee Addict: Imagine sitting at a Shabbos table. You are thirsty. There is a bottle of Coke, unopened. You don’t open bottles on Shabbos. Your host, however, opens bottles on Shabbos al pi the psak from his LOR. Can you pass him the bottle?
There is the Beis Halevi’s Haggadah, which is pretty as Brisk as they come. There is also a sefer Me’orie Mo’adim (I think that’s what its called) with a collection of Torah from Family Soloveitchik – from the Beis Halevi, R’ Chaim, The Brisker Rav, R’ Berel and down to R’ Dovid shlit”a. It isn’t a Haggadah, but it has a lot on ????? ???.
Very recent. 2010. The entire sefer is written on smoking and the halachic ramifications of the various different concepts involved. The author is very much of the opinion that it is assur to smoke (at least to begin smoking), but he still says that Lifnei Iver is not necessarily a problem.
sirvoddmt – Sholom Aleichem! How was zman? Great to see you back…
Long enough to be missed and then noticed when returning!
CA – It is only Lifnei Iver if you are enabling him to do the issur. If he has other means to be oiver, there is no prohibition of lifnei iver. And, like I pointed out, it certainly isn’t a clear cut issur, however many shittos there are to asser it. And therefore he has ?? ?? ?? ????? ????. I have seen Shu”t sefarim who discuss giving cigarettes to smokers. If you want the mekor I can try have a look for you.
RebYidd23 – That is a very big statement that “giving someone cigarettes is a sin”. Whether smoking itself is Muttar or Assur is, as has been posted here many times in the past, a fierce debate. An addicted smoker is only more lenient. And even if it is assur, it does not mean that it is assur to give him cigarettes. But that isn’t todays discussion.
Giving money to somebody in need is a mitzvah. Tzedoko. If the guy needs medication to ease suffering from an illness he caught, you would give it to him. Smoking – to a truly addicted smoker – is no more than an illness. Perhaps sponsoring clinical help to stop his addiction would be more ideal, but for the short term, cigarettes is a need.
Bear in mind, he isn’t collecting for cigarettes. They are coming to collect for families with medical conditions, with no food for Shabbos, with no money for weddings. It so happens that a small expense includes smoking. But not giving him because he also smokes means denying his innocent children shabbos food.
The fanfiction about Yehuda Goldstein, aka Anthony [After ‘Yehudah and Antoninus’], is a pretty good piece of work. It is a very original piece of work. Interesting that the Rabbi Zeller and Yehuda’s parents forgot about Kosher food until he thought about it, and more interesting that ‘Rosh Hashono’ wasn’t considered an ‘important festival’ in McGongalls eyes, and perhaps even stranger that the Hogwarts library had a biography of R’ Elya Lopian (lol?), but it was a great read. Shame it didn’t continue.
Sam2 – Your first tayna I understood; you don’t like bringing up random Shittos Yichidaos of Rishonim which we don’t pasken like. I brought you Poskim who seem to hold like that Shitta.
Then you tell me not to talk about it on a public forum. I’m sorry, I don’t understand that. Torah is not optional, nor is it diplomatic. We don’t brush Torah under the carpet because it ‘offends’ anybody. And we don’t hide Torah from those who don’t know it.
Sam2 – You missed that last part of my post, apparently. Yes, we are not normally ???? for shitas in the Rishonim which are ??? ??????. However, the Nesivos and R’ Akiva Eiger paskened like that l’chumra, and R’ Leizer Gordon in his ???? sefer says that this could be ???? ????. We pasken like ??”?, no? Granted, it is certainly not the accepted ???. But clear cut? I don’t think so.
???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?????, see also ?”? ??’ ? ?”? ?.
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1933&st=&pgnum=331
Everybody seemed quite certain that “aleph” is definitely totally Jewish. However, it seems quite a controversial issue in the Poskim whether a child born from a Jewish mother but a non-Jewish father is actually a Jew.
We pasken ???? ???. The Meforshim dispute whether this means Kosher straight away, or Kosher after Geirus (meaning that he isn’t a mamzer). Tosfos in a few places (See ??????? ??:, ????? ?”?) holds that the child is not Jewish. Rashi in ??????? ?”? seems to take on that the child is not Jewish, as he does in the end of Parshas Emor (See ??? ???? who is ?????.) Maharsha and R’ Akiva Eiger bring contradictions about this. The Nesivos paskened the one needs Geirus Lechumra (See also Teshuvos R’ Yaakov Melisa Siman ??).
R’ Eliezer Gordon, in ?????? ??? ?????? ??’ ? wants to learn that even the ???? ??? ???”? pasken like that.
So it’s not so clear.
Phew, somebody blocked him? He was starting to get on my nerves…
My scar didn’t prickle whenever you post, so there is definitely no Dark Wizard hiding in your skull!
I am afraid I am hopelessly inexperienced when it comes to these issues, but I would think it both inappropriate and awkward for you to tell her, especially since you are in the early stages of the relationship.
Do you know if the problems are general problems? Does she always dress like that? Or is it just when she’s dating and hoping to impress? It makes a big difference.
If you can get a mentor of hers to tell her (rabbi, rebitzen, <probably not parents>) not ??? you, it would be the best.
Keep in mind though that Harry was a Gryffindor and a Parselmouth
No he wasn’t. Common misconception, loads of people somehow missed the revelation in the book! Harry was NOT a Parselmouth; his body held two souls – his own and a fraction of Voldemorts. It was Voldemorts soul that could talk Parselmouth, not Harry’s. I highly doubt that after the Horcrux was exorcised Harry could still speak it. (Which sort of defeats the purpose of Dumbledore’s drosho in Book 2, but what can we do? It’s true!)
Then you just lie down here on the couch, relax and tell the nice doctor with the white coat all about it.
@ Reb Troillish great subtitle! > See the mods in 2 words added more to the cr than you in 2 hundred posts.
Well put, although slightly sharp!
I find arguments interesting only until they get silly, ?? ??? ?? ????.
DY – Can you explain what they were trying to do in more detail? I didn’t even begin to understand it, my mind just doesn’t go as krum as that!
Because you are so obviously a Ravenclaw! Poppa (resident Slytherin) might be a Parselmouth, but PAA?
That isn’t like Percy at all to bluff. It is like him to think he could, but more like him to think he should. Hmmm. I prefer my answer!
Just thinking now, the point system is quite nonproportionate too. At the beginning of Book 1, we start by docking one point at a time. After that, the numbers seem to multiply!
Maharal?
Thank you Yekke2. Finally, I think someone understands my point. Though I’m still not sure if you are agreeing.
I haven’t got anything concrete to answer the question, if that counts as agreeing!
Halevi – isn’t that really a dog chasing it’s tail? If you are trying to achieve that level purely because of the reward you are going to get, you will find it pretty hard to attain that level!
DaasYochid – I think I know where you’re heading, but I don’t see it working.
Question 12) What happens when a secret keeper dies? Seems to be a contradiction whether the secret dies with him (Book 3) or whether all those to whom the secretkeeper divulged the secret to become keepers in their own rights?
Question 13) Can prefects dock points? Inconsistency. In Book 5, Malfoy is informed that prefects cannot dock points, however in book 2 Percy docks points from Ron for being in Myrtle’s lavatory. (Although “cannot dock points from other prefects”, it is clear from that chapter that it was a chiddush that Malfoy could dock points at all. V’dok.)
Just looking through the old thread, “In Witch She Snorted”, and both those questions are discussed there. I apparently had a tzad to answer “Question 13” that a prefect can only dock points from his own house, so as not to abuse the rights. I quite like that, actually.
The story is told about the Vilna Gaon that one year, there were no esrogim to be found. Someone managed to get one, and offered it to the Gaon on condition that the reward for the mitzva be his. The Gaon readily agreed, and rejoiced that he was able to do the mitzvah shelo al m’nas l’kabel p’ras.
This is a debate in itself exactly how one can give away the reward of the Mitzvah to somebody else. I think we’ve argued it out before, when some genius decided to sell his Oilom Habo on ebay.
The question is “would”, though, and I think it takes a lot of work to achieve the level at which the answer is an unequivocal yes.
I am not sure if everybody is missing the point here! As PAA explained countless times, we don’t need the Vilna Gaon nor Avraham Avinu to prove to us that there is a concept of serving G-d without reward, the first post in this thead quoted a Mishna in Avos ?? ??? ??? ???? ???. This thread is dedicated to try work out WHAT PERSONAL MOTIVATION ONE WOULD HAVE TO DO THIS. Which is paradoxical, because if there is personal motivation then it is automatically not ?? ??? ??? ???? ???. So why would – not should – a person do something simply because he feels it morally correct
They were in a post between my two posts, which was deleted.
So the questions you refer to have been deleted?
We sound really cold hearted when we say this, Oomis, but the eluding us is to explain why one would want to become a better person? What motivation does one have to be good/do good?
Randomex – What is the problem about ripping souls etc.? And I understand that it shows much more disrespect to life when one is killing simply for ones own purposes rather than because one wants the victim dead. But surely it is non proportionate – if a book full of Dark Magic (which horrifies Hermione!) can’t mention it, it has gotta be a whole load worse than simple murder (which is, as you said, evil, but is not a taboo subject at all!)?
And Dumbledore was upset with himself because he himself who had said “For the well organized mind, death is but the next great adventure”, fell through in the pursuit of immortality. I hear that.
I don’t like how you differentiate between Philosophers Stone and Horcruxes. If we grant that the problem with horcruxes is the “end”, not the “means”, ie denying death=defeating life etc, like you suggested, then the Philosophers Stone would be equally bad.
One could suggest, similar to what you are saying, that immortality is different to the Philosophers Stone, which was intended to extend life rather than prevent death.
But why would there be a problem of preventing life at all? (And I mean that 100% even from a Jewish perspective, although if you want to debate that we can do that on another thread.)
Of course your mouth may smell better, and your teeth may stay healthier for more years… However, you may not realize those things in short term. What you do realize and feel good about is that you are being obedient and making your parents happy. And you know that your parents told you to do it for your own good and that’s why you keep doing it.
So back to what Gavra_At_Work suggested ???? ?????, that it is a siman, not a ????. The very fact that g-d told you to do it is a proof, as it were, that it is a good idea, but not necessarily because He told you to do it. I don’t like that idea.
PAA – Well put. “Would you do it? Why?” is a much easier way of explaining the question than “Why should…”!
Avram – I didn’t have time to read through your post properly, so I won’t comment, but I can tell you that although PAA is an avid Harry Potter fan, he isn’t a Parselmouth!
What’s wrong with dividing the soul? And premeditated murder is still nothing to cry about! Yes, its, evil, but that is the Unforgiveable Curse of Avada Kedavra. What is so unspeakable evil about Horcruxes that all books must be removed from library and even the Darkest books won’t speak of it?
And what issues did you mention, Randomex (Can’t remember! Rewrite them to renew!)
Randomex – there was a thread up called “eim habanim smeicha” at the time. I just referred to that post as the original of the joke which I was mechaven to!
Man and Woman will never be the same; just like the Sun and the Moon were never the same. Even when the Moon was at its full strength, it wasn’t the sun. And therefore there were not ??? ????, there was a ??? and a ????. Nishba and a Mashpia. Etc.
First paragraph of Popas post was referring to http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/theological-conundrum-read-at-your-own-risk.
Every girl has a right and a mitzvah to look pretty, and if this is my way, so be it.
Right? Mitzvah? Can you explain either of those?
I once heard one of the bubba meisas that if you open an umbrella indoors it will rain at your Chasuna…
Summary: We understand that the optimal way of serving G-d is doing it without ulterior motives. PAA questions what motive somebody would have if not ulterior motives. Which pretty much is a question on the entire Judaism: Why should I keep the Torah? Because G-d said so? Who cares? Oh, because of Gehennom? Is there no reason obligating me simply because G-d said?