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Mod29 – Hi!
<<Bein Hazmanim starts early for me this year – I’m back early for a wedding, and will have some time to post.>>
Abandoned?! Wrong word. Frustrated, disappointed, betrayed… This new CR is certainly giving me a headache.
Hebrew!! How many of the CRs most fascinating threads are now lost forever? Is there even a way to recover all the lost treasures? Is there any way to type in Hebrew now?
We can’t even edit new posts until they’ve already been posted. Surely there’s no good in that! Isn’t the whole point of editing to ensure that we can fine-tune our posts so that it says what we mean it to say without it sounding like something else and without it containing all the horrible things that are liable to have the post blocked by the Mods?
And who in their right mind allows Joseph to post photographs?!
About the New Coffee Room Do I Shudder!
#ProgressForProgressSakeMustBeProhibited
#BringBackTheOldCR
#OhYESThisAgain
#GoodToBeBack
Halevi: I haven’t seen the Darkei Moshe, but the Rema in Shulchan Aruch is clear that the kiyum of ad delo yoda is the sleeping, not the drinking?
Josephs profile page claims he has only started 80 threads.
DaasYochid has apparently only started 16.
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So how do we write Hebrew?
אבגדהוזחטי??
“This topic contains 1 voice and has 214 replies.”??
I imagine the two ways to read the Rema are as follows:
1) Instead of being mekayem the chiyuv of ad delo yoda by getting drunk, you can be mekayem the chiyuv by sleeping, in the state of which you are lo yoda. This does not patter you from the chiyuv of drinking, which you are mekayem by drinking yoser milimudo.
2) Instead of being mekayem the chiyuv of ad delo yoda by getting drunk, you can be mekayem the chiyuv by falling asleep through drinking. If you consume enough wine to cause you to sleep, you are mekayem the chiyuv.
In the second reading, you cannot just go to sleep; the sleep must come through the drinking. This is possibly what Halevi meant. Although I can see why you could read this into the Rema, I don’t understand why this should be the case.
In the course of a conversation with a teacher regarding someone he had set me up with, I mentioned that I would want to marry someone who considers me more important than his learning and his response was, “He has you and he has his learning; why should one be more important than the other.” I found that really offensive.
My Chavrusa was talking to my Rosh Yeshiva shlit”a about marriage before his chasunah, and during the discussion he asked: “What should I do if I get a call in the middle of Seder, and its my wife calling me to come kill a spider thats scaring her?”
The Rosh Yeshiva answered: “You must make her feel that you are there for her, and will always be available for her if she needs you. She should also be Machsiv Toirah enough that she knows that insignificant things like spiders [regardless of how petrified she may be] are not important enough to disturb your learning.”
lilmod, do we prioritize our spouses over our Creator, Father and King?
Although much can be said about those who do leave early for ulterior motives, your point isn’t a valid one. When you say it like that, obviously your duty to HKB”H takes precedence to any other duty. But the duty to others can often be the Rotzoin Hashem.
Also, I don’t think a spouse is something to be prioritized altogether. “Ishto k’gufo.” Does one prioritize himself?
Of course HKB”Hs Will comes before a persons own. One certainly doesn’t prioritize himself. Batel Retzoincho Mipnei Retzonoi…
So are the names going to change back to Popa and DaasYochid or are we going to call them after a bad presidential campaign forever?
And can Comlinx or someobe else link the thread that caused the change?
Sorry, don’t have much access at the moment and haven’t been reading properly.
<not even wondering what this is doing on the Shidduchim thread…>
Er.. Stop listening to it. Download Yackov Shwekey and Yeedle from your computer, start listening to that. Feel the Kedushah sweep into your soul, marry a nice frum boy and become an Eishes Chayil. Easy peasy.
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The ?????? ??”? in Kiddushin writes that if somebody is verbally ???? a friend for publicly embarrasing him, and in his heart he still has resentment and isn’t moichel, the mechila works, because ????? ???? ???? ?????.
So even if you’re not on the madreiga, just say it. Moichel. It works.
Kapusta, I’m sorry but that is ridiculous. According to you, there is no such as a Gadol. Judaism is not a democracy, we don’t believe that everyone is equal, and we do believe that there are people called Gedolim who ARE much greater than the rest of us and whom we are required to follow. This is a basic concept of Judaism and one that our entire Mesorah is based on.
LU – We don’t believe that everyone is equal, and we also believe that there are people called Talmidei Chachamim who are much greater than the rest of us. You may be right that not every Talmid Chochom is a Manhig Hadoir, but his photo doesn’t have to be on the Kupat Ha’ir Brochure in order to be considered “Da’as Torah”. [I’m not arguing on your distinction]
The Brisker Rav vehemently opposed this idea that the Bechorim will take back the avoidah. Is there any legitimate mekor for this?
Yes.
It has become a preoccupation with dependency, rooted in laziness, avoidance of challenge, and topped with delusions of being closer to Hashem.
This is a disgusting portrayal of bitter people determined to talk down a beautiful lifestyle which makes them feel inferior.
“Kollel” is where men of all calibers – with one common trait, which is motivation – sit and learn Torah, ???? ?????. There are thousands of yungerleit all over the world who have no interest in anything but the d’veykus of Torah. It is something we should all aspire to, even if many are not able to make it.
Yes, we all agree that there are those who don’t belong in Kollel. There are people in every sector of humanity who don’t belong, who are simply working on the benefits a specific vocation would have for them, and skirt the responsibilities it comes with. But these are a minority. And to say that this is the entire Kollel community is nothing short of ????? ?? ??.
Kosher and disgusting are not two opposites. #NovolBirshusHatorah
HGG – Thank you. I generally try not to be so blunt, but I need to keep the balance here. Lilmoid Ulelameid is one of the nicest posters i’ve seen here, and she seems determined to read the best into everything. Doing so requires taking everything on absolute face value. I’m just balancing things out by reading between the lines a bit, and at times, speaking between the lines…
I think Syag thinks I was too direct, which is bad, because Syag is generally right about these things </sad face>…
Golfer – Not really. </shrug> But PAA’s Brute Force Block Text strategy is certainly useful, and there are some excellent Mareh Mekomos for those who care…
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>>R’ Moshe zt”l about Kollel<<
>>Biur Halachah (Mishne Bruro), quoting Teshuvas Dvar Shmuel<<
And please note – the entire discussion in the Rishonim/Achronim is regarding learning Torah at the expense of others. But everyone agrees that a life spent learning would essentially be more ideal than a life spent in the office. Anybody who cannot see that is fooling only themselves.
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Sof Kol Sof, they can have “other standards”. Until you prove to me that the RBSO wants them to act as they do (and not the rest of us for some reason, as He didn’t tell us to do so in His Torah or via His Chazal), they are not “higher” standards. They are not “more Torahdike”. They are “Kollel” or “learning Torah full time”, and Kol HaKavod to them if that is what they believe the RBSO wants from them.
Firstly: Even if you deny that spending a full day in Limmud HaToirah is more ideal than spending a day in the stock market, my point still stands. I was coming from an observation that the Kollel homes have a stronger and more deeply engrained connection to Yiddishkeit, and the many many mailos of these homes result in children who IMHO seem like better Oivdei Hashem. [Of course, my ananlysis would be corrupt in your eyes; I value things like being Oisek B’Toirah, Mesiras Nefesh and Harbatzas Hatoirah – things that seem to get people upset] My point: Even if the work itself is all equal, the consequences are more “Torahdik”.
Secondly: I have absolutely no sofek that the Rotzon Hashem for someone who is able to is to sit and be Oisek BaToirah without anything else. Yes, I have seen all the Gemaras, the Rambams, the Shu”a, etc. The general consensus of every single ???? I have seen is that it is commended to the highest degree to sit and learn in Kollel. There are terutzim to all the Gemaras and Ramba”ms which convey conflicting messages. And above all, the Poskim say that ?? ????? ??’ ????? ?????? – the continuity of Torah in our generation would be ????? the Kollel movement. R’ Moshe zt”l goes so far as to say that anybody who doesn’t go to Kollel because of these Rambams is just fooling himself, and it is the ??? ????. (Perhaps in a different thread, it would be K’dai to post the relevant M”Ms).
3: Response to “4”: 4. I am an individual with some learning, a family and lineage to be proud of, a job where I get to work for the benefit of Am Yisroel every day, and I DON’T EVEN HOLD A CANDLE TO THE UNLEARNED MILDLY OBSERVANT MENIAL WORKER WHO DOES CHESED AND GIVES TZEDOKOH IN THE MOST BASIC WAYS WITH LOVE EVERY DAY, WEEK, OR MONTH. I am humbled by the humility and gentle nature of these many tzadikim and tzidkaniyos who rarely hear a shiur or learn bechavrusah because they are working three jobs to sustain their family, but they still have time and a few dollars to bring groceries and some companionship to the lonely, immobile widow in the apartment above theirs.
Don’t allow bringing the wonderful merits of other people to distort you from the value of learning Torah. X being good doesn’t make it better than Y. Every mitzvah is infinitely good in its own rights.
4: And it says ?????? ???? ???? ????. The zechus of learning Torah surpasses that of Gemilas Chassadim. (It is impossible for me to convey here that we are all humbled by the humility and gentle nature etc. etc. – it truly is unbelieveable to see these people give up their time, money and effort for others in such a selfless fashion. But the “pushete yid” shoemaker wasn’t better than the N’tziv.
5. In response to “3”: I have never heard a single comment, seen a single snide look, or felt condescended to in any way at all. The only discernable sign of superiority is the fact that they don’t eat in my house. And never has that been made into a statement. And arguing this is, of course, irrelevant to our discussion.
can you say hi to a guy that your family friends with at college?
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especially since his in a typical yeshiva and technically a typical frum boy but he loves doing stuff that mo boys do without breaking shomer, or hanging out with girls!
Goodness, why didn’t you say you are ready to marry of him? That does change everything.
Incidentally, it is also assur for a boy who “keeps shomer” to interact socially with girls.
Anthony Horowitz is more for young teenagers (not older than 14, IMHO) than the other series mentioned so far, which at least has potential for adult enjoyment.
Most of us come from working families, and those who were privileged to have an even more Torahdike upbringing
I’ll disagree with this premise. Why do you make the assumption that a Kollel family is more “Torah-dike” than other families, where the children see their parents make sacrifices for the RBSO? Kollel, especially in EY, is the easy way out. It certainly is not true with Chassidim.
I guess I’m a fool for thinking that adding “[and yes, i KNOW that the two are not directly related etc. etc.]” would stop people from attacking this one line.
My assumption is based on the Kollel people I have met. Almost every kid in yeshiva with me whose father is still in learning has a more solid set of Hashkafos, and lives an entirely different lifestyle to those of us more exposed to the outside world. I am well aware that not everyone in Kollel is not exposed. I am also well aware that there are some working people without internet access and without the exposure. But on a general basis (UK Facts; I’ve never been to USA, and can’t tell you anything about Israel) – children from kollel families are on the whole on a higher standard of yiras shamayim than those from working families. I am jealous of them.
And your premise that kollel people are taking the easy way out is just a blatant lie. I know first hand of kollel families in Eretz Yisroel who barely have money for chicken on Shabbos, who struggle to feed their own children. Very intelligent men who would have been successful in the business world. And they are sacrificing everything for Torah. (There are many who are sacrificing far more, but I am talking on a first hand basis) — Incidentally, they are among the happiest people I have met. Their children see much more sacrifice for Torah than any working family.
(And, of course, sacrifice [whichever sacrifice you refer to] isn’t the only form of Chinuch. Just saying.)
And if we are on the topic of A A Milne, I’m going to have to post one piece of advice to NeutiquamErro. Much as I share some of your frustrations and opinions, remember this:
Weeds are flowers too, once you get to know them.
#FocusOnPositive
NeutiquamErro – Granted, Harry Potter is a masterpiece. However, you may want to take into account that not everything you consider Kosher would be considered kosher by all. I know for certain that a couple of posters here feel that the Harry Potter series isn’t kosher at all (specifically Order of the Phoenix and Half Blood Prince). That said, I somehow doubt Sparkly would consider it unkosher.
If you did like Harry Potter, you may want to try Percy Jackson, Heroes of Olympus, Artemis Fowl.
yekke2 – the guy i asked about is a good frum boy who tries not talking to girls he ONLY knows me thru my brother.
Sparkly – I’m sure you wrote above that a boy can still be frum even if he talks to girls, and that there is nothing wrong with male/female social interaction?
Sparkly – If he is a nice frum Jewish boy who doesn’t like talking to girls, then do him a favour and don’t talk to him!
Lilmod – Thank you for your wonderful explanations. You do seem to have sensible, practical advice, and we appreciate that. My comments before were not intended as advice; I would never read something like that into somebodys question. I guess I’ve been in the CR long enough to decide [with a healthy dose of cynicism] when a poster truly wants the advice I can give, or when I don’t think its necessary.
#InfestedWithNargles
And waiting for DaasYochid to enter this into the equation…
(See if you can spot the irony, Neutiquam)
lilmod ulelamaid – Surely if NeutiquamErro’s comment was about Sparkly, it wouldn’t do any good to clarify that on an online forum.
#http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/caution-danger-ahead-my-response-to-barry#post-623390
DISCLAIMER: I am NOT discussing any individual scenario; I haven’t read the link and nothing I say should be taken out of the parameters in which I say it in.
Klal Yisroel is filled with different types of people, all who pride ourselves on our individuality. Everyone has different standards, everyone has different nisyonos. And of course, we have the dictum ?? ???? ?? ???? ?? ????? ??????.
There is a fundamental difference, however, between not judging and accepting. Or, more importantly, there is a difference between accepting their lifestyle and allowing it to filter into your own.
Most of us come from working families, and those who were privileged to have an even more Torahdike upbringing [and yes, i KNOW that the two are not directly related etc. etc.] generally don’t feel a working background to be a problem with schools. And I personally am fine with that.
But I also respect those who don’t. I have an uncle who doesn’t let his kids eat in my house. As far as I am concerned, we keep the best standards London has to offer – which isn’t good enough for him. His children don’t eat at chasunas, they don’t eat any meat which schita wasn’t observed by my uncle. And they look down on me for having a text phone (albeit internet-free), and they look down on me for having internet access (albeit totally filtered). And I respect them for that.
Never have I heard a word from any of them said in a superior fashion, nor any statement about any yiddishkeit preference. My uncle and cousins are warm, nice people. Yet I know that he sends his children to a chassidishe school (Yekkish notwithstanding), because the exposure in Litvishe schools is too much for him, and that he wouldn’t like his kids friends to be like me. And I’m fine with that.
I don’t feel the need to live like that. I am happy with my standards. But I totally understand that if he were to open a school for his children, I wouldn’t be accepted. And I don’t find that unfair. I did read “goyisher books”, I do listen to Eighth Day, and my level of exposure is not something he wants his kids exposed to.
Elitism is the name given to it by those who feel bitter not being accepted, or being labelled to have lower standards. And it isn’t a nice feeling, to recognize that there are those out there who have higher standards, and to feel ‘second rate’. But they are allowed to protect their children, to keep higher standards they feel Hashem wants them to have.
(Obviously: (a) generalizations in standards are always wrong, because people in the ‘lower class’ will always point to specific members of the ‘higher class’ and show how they are in fact just-as-bad-if-not-worse, and point to the guy-whose-parents-are-bts-and-now-has-a-chabura-in-mir. Blanket labels is not the way to set standards. (b) there is a way of doing this. Elitism and superiority are disgusting things, and any expression of this crosses suddenly from ‘protecting your standards’ into ‘i-am-holier-than-thou’, which is horrible.)
RAMBAM PIRUSH MISHNAYOS SANHEDRIN CH 10: [#PAA]
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NeutiquamErro: But what did I say that annoyed you? All i meant was to tell everyone that I am fine and I don’t need any help, thank you very much, and then when I asked for help everyone ignored me and started offering advice! How could I not be dramatic about that?
#YouMeantDrama
#KeepTheHashtagsBanTheDrama
Golfer – Not really. But I guess a few of his quotes could sum up the other point of view:
I guess #KTCRIM is not for everyone…
LuL: 2. I thought you hang out with guys?
2. Yeah, but not “guys who are like that”, so maybe she wants to know if a guy is like that, but is a “family friend”, can she say hello.
3. We’ve already established that Sparkly doesn’t have a legitimate Rabbi.
Happygirlygirl – i agree. thats why i dont talk to guys that are like that.
— Sparkly
Snort.
<in which somebody writes that *.* is not Kosher, and Sparkley writes that you can be frum even if you read it, although one day she won’t read it anymore…>
I don’t know where this preconception comes from that “bashert” and “happiness” is the same thing. “Bashert” is the spouse who you are destined to marry. Who said that happiness can only be with your destined, and who said you are destined to be happy?