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They do not seem to possess any DNA Haplogroups commonly found among Jews or other Semites. They do, however, have similar DNA to groups from the Indus Valley and areas near where they live.
“cholov kohain.” Genius.
I think it’s “My Zaide’s So Frum,” not “So Jewish.” Where ever did you find this?
Thanks for asking. Yehudah Tzvi (me) is still in pain with a broken femoral head and hip. Painful recovery. Thanks for your tefilos!
I’d stop duchaning and have a very sad conversation with my boys.
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Herod was a Nabatean Arab.
Ency. Brit. has an odd definition: “Herod was born in southern Palestine; his father, Antipater, was an Edomite (an Arab from the region between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba). Antipater was a man of great influence and wealth, who increased both by marrying the daughter of a noble from Petra (in southwestern Jordan), at that time the capital of the rising Nabataean kingdom. Thus Herod was, although a practicing Jew, of Arab origin on both sides.”
Don’t know how this could be. Edomites and Arabs are not the same.
Nope. But my wife is 🙂
Oh, and it turns out my family is Sephardic originally, though it does not make a difference.
I found this site years ago and was told by a prominent Rabbi that it sounds like the ramblings of a disgruntled challal.
I have a family tree, mesorah, grave stone of my last frum ancestor and a positive DNA test. Not much more I can do and that’s how I’m holding until Moshiach comes. If it turns out I am not a true Kohain, so be it. Until then I will continue giving other Kohanim kavod, duchaning and going up for the first aliya when called.
And I guess since there is no actual semicha today, we have no true Rabbis either – so I’m not worried. Oh, any Yidden here (save gerim) have a shtar yichus proving their status as B’nei Yisrael? No? Perhaps you’ve all been oveir on an issur d’oraysa by keeping Shabbos. Just sayin’.
Frei means “free” in German. Never understood why someone off the derech would be considered “free.” As opposed to us frum Yidden who are shackled?
All my extended family members are intermarried. Gottfried is one of my family names. I always considered it (tongue in cheek) as meaning “free of G-d.”
A point that I feel is being missed is that racism in the frum communities is not only against gentiles. The racism that I have witnessed has largely been directed against fellow Jews who look different than the “norm.” There are Jews of all colors and shades. I would love to see a frum world where parents and teachers tell their children not to stare, mouth agape, at others who look different than them and that “Jewish-looking” does not necessarily mean white.
RebDoniel:- Actually scroll back 1 decade earlier, as Jekkes usually commence wearing a Tallis Godol from about age 3.
Yes, this is correct. Why does everyone assume Bar Mitzvah?
The app is counter-intuitive and I have repeatedly asked (begged) for a re-do. The coffee room section is not user friendly at all. In fact, I would say it is confusing at best.
And don’t forget… Los Angeles and San Francisco were spared and treated to 82 degrees of clear skies and sunshine because of our holiness and purity!
Yekke2: “Yehuda zvi cannot be a kohein if he is from aminodov! (See subtitle)
And don’t you think that this thread should be closed because it has potential to insult people here?”
As opposed to your insulting comment about me? I did not make the subtitle. It was erroneously given to me by one of the mods. My wife’s family is Ben Dovid – not mine. That is to whom the mod was referring when he gave me the subtitle.
But thanks for the rude questioning of my yichus!
No.
Kohain. 🙂
dhl144: Could not disagree with you more. From the Halacha a Day website:
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One who talks during Chazaras HaShatz is a sinner, and this sin is too great for any individual to bear.
If one will talk in Shul, it is better for him/her to not come in the first place. (Kaf HaChaim Siman 151:8 and Chida in Sefer Pesach Einayim)
Pretty clear that others talking does affect EVERYONE in the shul.
My father Z”L would call those old men who used to shush everyone the “Heysedandah” As in “Hey, sit down there!”
My pride in our shul came when a bunch of new baaleibatim were shmoozing during Shemona Esrei on Rosh Hashanah eve. It was important, though. They were discussing the best way to get to Woodland Hills.
I have the following printed up on a piece of a paper that I carry in my talis bag:
“If one will talk in Shul, it is better for him/her to not come in the first place. (Kaf HaChaim Siman 151:8 and Chida in Sefer Pesach Einayim) IF YOU NEED TO TALK, PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE THE SHUL.”
A very helpful book is: “Who’s Who in the Talmud”
“This exceptional work, with entries from Rav Abba to Rav Zutra, is an unprecedented study of every rabbi in the Talmud. The reader will find concise entries on every rabbinic personality mentioned in the Talmud, major and minor alike, and will discover such facts as their dates of birth, education, and occupation. Most entries are accompanied by a brief story about the rabbinic personality, with sources cited for easy reference.”
Yes. WITH a Bracha.
WIY: Well said.
Folks, please don’t confuse Arabs (ethnicity) with Islam (religion). There might be some overlapping, but they are not the same. Iranians, Pakistanis, Afghans, Turks and most North Africans are not Arab, though they are Muslim. Most Lebanese, Copts, Assyrians, Mandaens are not Muslim but they are Arabs.
YehudahTzvi:
You are aware that the daughter of a giyores is perfectly kosher for a kohen to marry????
Actually, Kohanim are machmir and do not marry the daughters of converts.
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40524&st=&pgnum=44
http://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=20&daf=78b&format=pdf
(Halacha links… pretty please let it through, MODS?)
(Regardless, the haplotype is only through the father. Thus, even a goy (born of a Jewish father) could have pure Kohain DNA but not even be Jewish.)
“That’s why the search for a “kohen” genetic pattern focuses on part of the the male chromosone unaffected by the female genetic materials.”
Again, the haplotype is ONLY passed through the father. Mitochondrial DNA can be traced through the mother.
“Christianity is no less dangerous than Islam.” What??? We aren’t living during the Middle Ages anymore. There are no more Inquisitions or Crusades. Christians do not seek our death as a matter of faith anymore. Islam is our clear and present danger.
yytz: Is there a status halacha concerning Leviim of which I am not aware? I have a friend who’s wife is a convert. She converted conservative and they had children including one son. She was made to reconvert (obviously) al pi halacha (as well as the kids) but the Rav poskened that their son was still a kosher Levite. I never quite understood this.
yytz: Please do post the source when you find it.
I specifically did not include the Levite DNA as it is a distinct anomaly – and I have yet to find a source that explains it clearly. Truly weird that most Jews and Kohanim share DNA traits but half of Ashkenazi Levites do not. I have also wondered why in most shuls there are many more Kohanim than Leviim (at least in my experience). My shul in Monsey had a congregation of about 1/3 Kohanim (including the Rav) and not many Leviim at all.
“Based on DNA, most of your ancestry is probably from converts (at least on the female side).”
Not true. I had my DNA checked and I match the DNA of most Middle Easterners – Specifically the strain that originated between Iran and Iraq (Ur Kasdim), even though my family has been in Europe for over a thousand years. Being a Kohein, I am pretty sure that none of my forefathers married converts.
Most Jews share this same DNA – specifically “J2.” I am J1 like most Kohanim, Sephardi and Ashkenazi.
We are called Jews because we follow our fathers’ tribe. Even if every generation married kosher converts they would still be Yehudim, so I don’t see your point. Those from Binyamin and other stragglers would still have lived under the rule of Judah. As for me, I tell most people that I am not a Jew… I am a Kohain (just to get a reaction 😉 )
Valley or city? Pico, Hancock Park?
Again, probably because it’s on top (high point) of the head.
Shpitz in German means a high point like the top of a mountain. I know this because it is my family name.
In bed (we live in LA) having just moved into our house the previous night. We awoke to the news on the radio and couldn’t process what was going on.