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satmar rav was not a ‘world renowned posek’ as you put it …
rather he was a world renowned rebbe and tzaddiq and leader of his community
who also happened to answer she’elot and publish them
his psakim in halacha do not have the same acceptance all over klal yisrael like shevet halavy for example or any of the other major poskim
any ways — whether the fallen israeli soldiers are comparable to harugei lud or not — is not a halacha question
it is a hashkafa question
on which rav chaim is not any less qualified to answer than satmar rav
rav chaim as a bachur entering rav chaim ozers bet din in vilna caused rav chaim ozer to stand up
when asked why the vilna rav stands for a young man like him , he answered how can I not stand up for the full vilna otsar hasfarim ….
so again
this leads us to the reality ….
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… that there are various and different viewpoints how to look at the medina and the soldiers al pi torah …
a reality you would do well to recognize …
it will enhance your credibility of all your other writings …..
btw rav chaims approach on this was not any different to most of agudah’s other rabbanim ….
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.ujm is not answering so will do it for him …
ujm’s post from December 7, 2025 4:23 pm :
The memoirs of Adolf Eichmann ym”s were published ….. Eichmann described Kastner with a chilling “respect.” He called Kastner an “ice-cold lawyer” and a “fanatic Zionist.” This is quote from Eichmann’s memoirs:
“I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal… He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting in the deportation camps if I would close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate to Palestine. It was a good bargain.”
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ujm trusts the testimony of a confirmed mass murderer ….
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.‘Am happy to enlighten AAQ here …
99 % of “people who believe that modern yeshiva way of life is the only appropriate” do not write on YVN …..
your observation , even if …..
even if correct …..
is applicable to only 1 % of “people who believe that modern yeshiva way of life is the only appropriate” ….
so please rest assured — your ‘sadness’ is misplaced …
you can revert to being happy ….. as before ….
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.reality check —
votes do not help for supreme court crooks
they anyway override the voted knesset …
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.unrealistic AAQ pretends to know better than the rabbanim much greater than him both in torah and yirat shamayim and pikchut , how to deal with the “rav of the town trotsky came from” …
and therefore hoists himself on a self erected pedestal from where he attempts to judge those who are qualified to judge him …
if it would not be so sad , it would be comical ….
ujm should not use the word gestapo when describing israeli police tactics even when they are unjustified
there is no comparison whatsoever between gestapo tactics and israeli police tactics
any objective researcher of the holocaust will concur
usage of totally inapropriate language , besides being factually incorrect and undermining ujm’s credibility …
… also supports the villains who are waiting to spill our own and ujm’s brothers innocent blood
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.rambam hilchot mlachim clearly infers that the ge’ula will come through the actions of a basar vadam
who was sent by HKBH …..
.rightjew :
Your pathetic fake slander of Netanyahu is obvious – he is not “Chazer-Fressing”, the Knesset does not serve chazer.
Netanyahu is constantly responsible for protecting Jewish lives in Eretz Yisrael, so he cannot really keep Shabbos.
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total rubbish.
because knesset is not serving chazzer , is that proof that bibi doesn’t privately eat chazzer ???
where is elementary logic ???
because bibi is responsible for lives in EY , is that an excuse for bibi’s documented unrelated hilul shabbat ???
reasoning and methodology used — reminds me of somejew and katan …..
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.@AAQ
the whole idea from rav mibrisk was that no trade off is permitted —- at all .
equal or unequal .
nothing .
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.its not my ‘“Satmarism replacement theology”
it definitely is authentic torah
penei yehoshua is standard ‘authentic torah’
this is basic to any beginner torah student …
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.re your quote of rambam — rambam himself conditions kapara with teshuva , al derech hapnei yehoshua — cf rambam hilhot tshuva
without tshuva there is nowadays no kapara at all
also clear to any serious student of rambams writings
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.equally clear that rambam when he says ‘amru hahamim’ — rambam is referring to the gemara in ketuvot which is the subject of the PN’Y
which I quoted
so again —- according to the torah as we received it from the previous generations —- not sure who should really be weeping here ….
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.there is no ‘complacency and arrogance’ in calling out blatant misrepresentations of the ideas and principals of
the judaism as it was received and maintained for the last 3000 years
not at all …
habad can disseminate their distortions as much as they want
it is a free world
so can we – and should we – call out those very same distortions as much as we want
it is a free world
and let the best and most convincing ideas and proofs win
we are not scared of any contest on its own merits
equally they should not be scared of a fact and logic based contest either
and if they – or anyone else – are attempting to shut down a fact and logic based debate on any grounds …
then that attempt in itself should serve as a damning and final indictment of their position ….
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there is no need whatsoever to ‘be out there’ ….
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.agree with you re the mesirut nefesh of baalei tshuva and geirim
its immense – in my opinion at least
they leave behind their family , many things they grew up with – for emet and conviction
I admire them for real
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lol
lakewhut is living in a fantasy world where the problems with chabad are that they do not wear white shirts and that they have a ‘propaganda machine’ …
he seems totally disconnected
its not the shirts …
it’s not the propaganda machine ….
it’s the rubbish this machine is spreading ….
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.Rambam is clear
the way to differentiate between real mashiach and an ‘unreal’ mashiach is to see whether he is slain in battle
proof that the real mashiach will have to engage in physical battle …
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.think you missed the point —
I objected to the word ‘race’ only.
hitler did not accept anyone not born to the so called ‘correct race’
habad accepts everyone foolish enough to fall for their falsified belief system , no matter their genes .
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ujm is still living in make believe reality
lets say he is right that historically life under muslims was better than life under xtians
I happen to concur with him on that point …
but —
lema’an hashem …. why is this at all relevant ???
do they want to repeat october 7 again and again – yes or no ?
do they treat other types of communities in the middle east fairly – yes or no ?
why is ujm sidestepping those essential realities ???
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.It’s much more absurd than that. The Satmar Rebbe was very explicit and adamant that what he taught, published, and dedicated much of his life to was very much halacha lemaaseh.
So was rav chaim zatsal.
Beyond that the SR did not have the full agreement of the large majority of Gedolim .
SR zatsal was clearly of the minority.
There is no claim whatsoever against Rav Shmuelevitz chas veshalom.
There is a severe claim however against somejew and ujm who falsify the torah , by their blatant revisionism and
clear ignoring of pertinent facts and realities.
Rav Chaims remark was part of a serious lecture about the correct torah way in a formal setting to hundreds of serious torah scholars …
with very much practical applicable intent and had many parallels in the rest of his teachings.
There is huge issue in either saying he was wrong or that he didn’t mean it literally. This is a clear falsification of the torah …
Beyond this, we Jews are obligated to keep the Torah, and
even a single comment by a Gadol is a clear directive of Torah , which all yehudim are supposed to listen to.
Somejew’s comments uttered in a context of a bet hagadol of lishkat hagazit would amply qualify him as a zuken mamre.
That’s besides the vile attempt to smear the holy rav chaim as a zaken mamreh chas veshalom …
Kol hamevazheh talmid haham ein terufah lemakato ….
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.flamingOTD should use these threads not to attempt to convince others of her dangerous and unrealistic feel good illusions
but rather to listen and be ready to acknowledge reality as it really is …
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@AAQ
you are missing the point
first of all I quoted the rav mibrisk as an example of a realistic nuanced position of the kanna’i camp – unlike the lala statements of ujm , katan and somejew …
This position is one of many different valid positions
re the possible establishment of a medina
In this statement attributed by rav shternbuch to the rav , , there are no reasons given for the issur of establishing the medina
it could be the shavu’ot as you infer
– it could be the inevitable loss of innocent life ,
it could be the secular nature of the new government leading many astray
the main point he was making is – that one cannot trade
trade – meaning gaining one thing for the benefit of another
that was not the reason I quoted him btw
I only quoted him to show an example of reality based kanna’im ….
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.katan :
… Anything from the Satmar Rav who writes extensively on this with no dissenting opinions this? Like, for example, how the geulah will be by Hashem, not by basar vaDam ….————————————-
rambam hilchot mlachim clearly infers that the ge’ula will come through the actions of a basar vadam
who was sent by HKBH …..
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.not sure whether he learnt from hitler per se
but it does seem he learnt from all sorts of fascist and communist leaders who governed during his formative years
who succeeded in brainwashing millions …
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.lakewhut is missing the point …
yeshiva world does appreciate chabad’s moser nefesh …
but does not appreciate chabad using that mesirut nefesh as leverage to convert unsuspecting innocents
into accepting corrupted false messianism
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.hypocritical ujm is projecting his own hypocrisy on his opponents … how convenient ….
lets face the facts …
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.I did never dismissed SR statements as ’emotional’ and therefore not authoritative…
katan , somejew and ujm do that to rav chaim shmulevits , however ….
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.my position is unchanging and clear
it is a machloket between the rabbanim …
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.it clearly is hypocritical to dismiss rav chaim as ’emotional’ , ‘poetic’ or ‘wrong’ and a second later accept SR emotional statements
as the only valid expression of torah misinai
this is hypocritical and remains hypocritical , no matter the attempted mental acrobatics to make it appear otherwise ….
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.lol.
rav chaim is delivering a serious lecture about the correct torah way in a formal setting to hundreds of serious torah scholars …
all other details of rav chaims teachings , compiled , printed and widely disseminated , and widely studied are to be taken seriously and listened to …
it happens to be that the passage , which incidentally happens not find favor in ujm’s eyes …..
also happens to be the only passage which was ‘poetic’ … and therefore not to be listened to …
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interesting coincidence …..
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.@AAQ
ok
at least we agree on the facts then , the only institutions he ever attended were universities ….
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.ujm:
Czarist Russia and the Weimar Republic also had millions of Yidden. If you head people referring to Czarist Russia or the Weimar Republic as the Fourth Reich, would you get as bent out of shape that someone wanted Czarist Russia or the Weimar Republic to be replaced by a better entity?
——————–1] weimar did not have millions of yidden
2] huge difference between weimar , russia on one hand and the medina on the other hand
those regimes – al pi derech hateva if replaced would not signify unceasing october 7 repeats has veshalom
as opposed to the medina — anyone with even one millimeter of reality in their bones , knows that al pi derech hateva the alternative to the medina is
unceasing repetitions of october 7 chvsh — if in any doubt, have a talk with a yazidi survivor and post their personal experiences ….
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.@square
have a look in penei yehoshua on the gemara in ketubot rightjew quoted
where PN’Y says that the kedusha of EY causes a person to repent – therefore are his sins forgiven
but – does penei yehoshua add – if he ignores the kedusha of EY and does not repent , then his sins are amplified
and much worse than if he would have stayed in chuts laarets …..
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.anywhere between 600000 and two and a half million German civilians died during the 1940’s as a result of the Allies war against Germany .
Is that genocide ? ? ?
for an established scholar of genocide like yourself , that should be an easy question to answer ….
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.have a look in penei yehoshua on the gemara in ketubot you quoted
where he says that the kedusha of EY causes a person to repent – therefore are his sins forgiven
but – does penei yehoshua add – if he ignores the kedusha of EY and does not repent , then his sins are amplified
and much worse than if he would have stayed in chuts laarets
so not really sure who is the one obligated to weep ….
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.@AAQ
Am not ‘paseling’ anyone in a black and white manner because they never attended any institution besides universities
am putting their later statements and policies into the context of their formative years
the formative years are a very important factor into shaping their ultimate personality
thats all .
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.on this issue I totally side with katan
as do do , rov minyan and rov binyan of orthodox jews on the planet
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.how many innocent german children died in world war two ?
was that genocide ?
if not , why not ?
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flamingOTD is the exact embodiment of her own libel of others:
Deny
Attack
Reverse
Victim
OffenderRegarding the questions about a Jew in a Palestinian town and a Palestinian in a Jewish one, my comments totally reflect day to day reality for the last 77 years
Arabs frequent 99 % of Israeli towns without any fear ,
while Israeli’s fear for their lives in most Arab towns .
THIS IS THE REALITY
as long as you deny reality your words are totally worthless …
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.I fully support most of your writings – but have an objection to the language you used here
1] habad does not believe they are the ‘master race’ … they happily accept anyone foolish enough to join them – that is the opposite of a ‘master race’ …
2] and they are non judgmental to all people provided that they do not actively oppose their missionary messianism
– also not a hallmark of a ‘master race’ …
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.your defense of @Hakatan is absurd.
it’s not very difficult: we have a Torah to keep.
In that torah it clearly says to listen to the talmidei hahamim .
Like Rav Shmulevitz.
Listening to Rav Chaim includes — not falsely and absurdly claiming that rav chaim was ‘wrong or poetic’
Listening means exactly that – LISTENING .
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.No one (except you and katan) is hypocritical in accepting satmar rav’s ’emotional’ statements and in the same breath
reject rav chaims supposedly ’emotional’ statements ….
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@AAQ
it was prohibited for the founders of the medina to establish it ,
even tough that there were clear ‘gains’ as a result of its establishment
because one cannot do business with the torah
like yaakov’s exclamation that he would never have slept at this holy place of the bet hamikdash
had he known about its holiness
although that in case of not sleeping , he would have lost out on the magnificent revelation contained within the dream
its not worth the ‘gain’ of the revelation , if it involves an issur of sleeping in a holy place
same with the medina its not worth the ‘gain’ of the refugees if it involves the issur of establishing the medina
that statement was re the actions of the founders themselves.
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.somejew :
the chraedi Gedolim still unanimously protest the existence of the state in the same way their predecessors unanimously protest the existence of the Nazi regime in Europe.—
this statement by somejew is obviously ridiculous . even a ten year old would know that …
the following statement is the real correct statement :
the NK nutjobs including the vile somejew , still unanimously lie about the position of mainstream charedi gdolim about the existence of the state in exactly the same way the Nazi regime unanimously lied about the Jewish People in Europe.
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.Katan objects to listening to rav chaim shmelevits’ statements in a shiur to hundreds of talmidie hahamim who especially came to hear the torah viewpoint ….
because rav chaim was emotianal ….
katan does not know that rav chaim was emotional when he stated that … katan desperately wants to believe that ….
but even if we will take katan at face value , which we should not …
so what if rav chaim became emotional at the time ….
does katan not listen to satmar rav when SR is emotional …. ?
such an inflexible , blind , double standard and crooked approach ….
does at least katan himself believe that katan is fair , honest and reality based ?
hope so , because none of his readers are ….
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.– the status quo is a small pikuach nefesh ‘sakana’
the sakana of your suggestion is multiplied a thousand fold
one has to be blind not to see that
blinded by terribly contorted way of paskening like an aggadic maharal – against all codifiers of halacha
blinded by an ideological inflexibility of subservience to a so called shitah hakdosha
btw, the blind are not allowed to paskan any she’elot …
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.you are factually incorrect
they clearly did turn to the government
.even more – it seems that the first one to turn to the government were the hasidim
which in turn resulted in their opponents to do the same
which resulted in the baal hatanya famously imprisoned
the kahal seemed to belong to the mitnagdim
and was used to enforce the herem
which resulted in hasidim going to the government first …
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.again ujm is moving the goalposts
it was ujm who quoted eichman to besmirch kastner
so my following post stands :
ujm blindly trusts the testimony of a confirmed mass murderer ….
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anyway —the historical episode with kastner – either way
is totally irrelevant to ujm ‘s real objective …
the dismantlement of the blindly hated medina
leaving millions of innocents at the ‘mercy’ of somejews friends , chas veshalom ….
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.many gdolim yearned for EY
but none held of evalemoshiv’s rant
that in itself proves evalemoshiv wrong …
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.flamingOTD:
… You know most Palestinian supporters say the media favors Israel. I think stats back that up. According to the dataset, New York Times uses “Israel” in headlines over “Palestine” at a ratio of 187 to 1 …—
that makes perfectly sense …
she lives in an alternate universe ….
NYT favoring israel ….
proof ? 187 times mention israel over palestine ….
laughable ….
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.I am suspecting flamingOTD is not a religious jew ….
she complains about ‘sexism’ and about ‘white colonialists’ , libels the medina as being ‘genocidal’ and then infers that she is satmar anti zionist …
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.@shimon katz
you compare the machloket about the rebbi from chabad to the machloket about rav yonasan aibeshits
The way I see it – it probably is more similar to the machloket about the personality of rav kuk …
If rav kuk would have been a hasidic rebbe , they would have matched quite well ….
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.@AAQ
product of years of university studies without yeshiva studies …
whoever said that is probably somewhat biased – several years that L Rebbe spent when he was about 25-30 y.o. in U of Berlin and an engineering studies in Paris were way past his yeshiva years.
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the facts are — find out for yourself
the late rebbi of habad never attended any yeshiva … even during his yeshiva years ….
he probably learnt either by himself or under his father r levi
so what I wrote was accurate : the only institutions he attended were universities …
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these are the facts ..
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.correct , no need to look for unnecessary divisions. totally agree
but we can explore the facts as they are , without being divided
we are not served by living in a factless make believe lala world either
am just stating the facts as they are
I b’h get on in real life with anyone regardless of background or shitah
even with people who belong to shitot I really disagree with
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.chazon ish disagreed with the ba’alei mussar , this is widely known and not a secret at all
the steipler was not chassidish even though he came from chassidish stock
his was the litvish outlook on 95 % of the issues
you are correct that chazon ish was even more litvish than him
these are the plain facts and they are not ‘perpetuating’ machloket at all
I am the last to suggest that hasidim should disappear as you somehow tried to insinuate
neither did I disrespect any of them ….
there is no need of historical revisionism in order to keep away from machloket …
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.rav moshe sternbuch says in his weekly alon from last week that he himself heard from brisker rav
re the medina : that ALTHOUGH THE MEDINA WAS A POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE MANY PLEITIM AFTER THE WAR , who were left without a roof
in that era , nevertheless its establishment is prohibited
and that we cannot ‘do business’ with yahadut
absorbing ‘losses’ by establishing a medina , and thereby ‘gaining’ a home for the many pleitim
now how is that for a kanna’i , nuanced and realistic view – for a change ?
btw. NOTHING GOT LOST IN TRANSLATION ….
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katan will refuse to recognize the sun , because it shines in the medina …
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