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ujm seems blind and deaf

he keeps on harping on how things were 100 years ago

and about how could have been

all his interlocutors are pointing to todays reality

which is the only relevant factor to be taken into account

but ujm does not hear

ujm does not see ….

what is important in his eyes , is some sort of irrelevant utopia ….

time for ujm to relate to what is said to him in a real way ….
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@shimonkatz

you mention about the varying degrees of messianism within habad

let me point out a very important point

missed by many

for a good long few years – from the early nineties until the so called ‘disappearance’ of their leader

the accepted position BY ALL THEIR RABANIM AND MASHP’IM was that

it is an INCORPORATED PART OF THE IKAREI EMUNA that their leader CANNOT die

by virtue that an established navi [r menachem mendel] prophesised in a prophesy equal to none other than all established nevi’im of tanach [!]

that mashiach is none other than aforementioned r menachem mendel

and that aforementioned r menachem mendel

will be the one who will lead all jews out of galut

and that aforementioned r menachem mendel

will build the bet hamikdash we waited for ,for 2000 years

that nevu’a is impossible to be changed as we know from rambam that nevua letova CANNOT be changed

so much so that rambam uses that inflexibleness as proof to classify a navi as navi sheker

thereby condemning him to mitah bebet din ….

this was the established halachik opinion in habad for years

wall to wall !!

when their leader ‘disappeared’ , then the fissures started appearing

group one , headed by r yoel kahn , made a uturn

we were mistaken all those years they admitted

very nice ….

but they themselves were mistaken , not in a minor halachk detail …

in major principles of judaism …

in ikarei emuna !!

in my eyes this was a major lesson about their methodology

how they arrive a conclusions re ikarei emuna …..

have no time now to further expand … but hope to continue some other time bln .

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@shimonkatz

I myself remember the utterances of the habad rebbi re the nevua in 1992

This was published ‘bizman emet’ when their rebbi was fully cognizant and fully functional

this was 6-7 months before his stroke

it was published in dvar malhut which came out weekly and was THE official mouthpiece for their leaders torah , net.

Net – meaning only his torah was published . No added commentary . No news . No opinions. Nothing.

this was – at the time, fully reliable as the mouthpiece of his torah .

there were no ‘factions’ or differences of opinion re the veracity of dvar malhut .

flamingOTD is invited to share her recipes …

then she will at least have some qualifications standing behind her ‘wisdom’ ….
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@ujm

SR ‘s opinion about rav kuk is well known and not a chiddush at all

I only took issue with the extreme and clearly untrue statement that all gdolim considered rav kuk a rasha

this is a clear lie

your quote of SR’s letters are completely irrelevant to this
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rav shach never paskened its assur to live in judea and samaria

rav shach advised many private individuals who consulted him against it as being an unwise decision for them

kiryat sefer is a major litvish town just across the green line ….
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the shoteh called somejew , insists on calling yeshivat merkaz harav a church ….

this lunacy gives all of us an excellent insight into the true value of all his other posts ….
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this flamingo shoteh is nothing more than a shoteh gamur

he regurgitates blood libels and takes the side of those who would love to re enact october 7 again and again

he even is proud of his stupidity ….

it’s not a myth …. it’s plain reality ….. right in front of our eyes

I too am a antizionist yid and proud ….

I am seeing the barbarians thirsting for blood , and I am proud that I am honest enough to see and acknowledge the reality right in front of my eyes ….
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@flamingOTD

what happens to a jew who walks by himself into most ‘nongenocidal’ arab towns in the middle east ?

what happens to an arab who walks by himself into most ‘genocidal’ israeli towns in the middle east ?
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do not base yourself on others’ opinions

base yourself on the facts which are in plain view, in the present , in the here and now ….
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lol

when considering and comparing the fate of jews under so called “non genocidal” arab rule

vs

the fate of arabs under “genocidal” Israeli rule

the differences are stark and staggering ….

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37 jewish places of worship in east jerusalem under ‘non genocidal’ arab rule ?

utter devastation

hundreds of arab mosques and churches under israeli rule ?

growth and expansion

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jewish population under “non genocidal” arab rule in most of the vast middle east ?

mass forced emigration , mass confiscation of property , arbitrary loss of life and limbs with zero connection to any security risks for the rest of the population

arab population under ‘genocidal’ israeli rule ?

healthy numeric expansion , dramatic improvement of life expectancy , dramatic improvement of income per capita ,

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military TARGETING of ‘genocidal’ israeli actions ?

armed men and armed under 18’s , locations used for weapons storage and armed men , even when they include dual use facilities like hospitals and schools , but never TARGETING civilians

military TARGETS of “non genocidal” arabs ?

civilians , children , buses , restaurants , civilian airplanes , markets , sport stadiums , civilians engaged in prayer and worship and the list is much longer

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so , flamingOTD , is misusing his language.

instead of reserving the the term genociders for the the side actually deserving it

he uses it to falsely describe the actual victim of genocide

if this is not a continuation of the classic blood libel then what is ?

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IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN IS

WHITE EUROPEAN OR DARK AND MIDDLE EASTERN

this is totally irrelevant — the above treatment meted out to jews under genocidal arab rule

were meted out to dark and middle eastern jews !!!
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ujm:
In addition to what you pointed out, the Zionists collaborated and worked with the actual Nazis during the Holocaust to achieve their mutual goals.

The most infamous, but far from only, example is the Kapo Rudolf Kastner working hand in hand for years with Nazi Adolf Eichmann ym”s. Kastner literally worked in Eichmann’s office for years and they met and worked together for years.

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wow that’s quite a distortion

zionists collaborated as an institution with nazi’s , not DURING the holocaust but in the 30’s and

only regarding immigration of german jewish refugees to EY and their possessions

re the period of the holocaust itself

an individual zionist, kastner , controversially collaborated with some nazi’s with as result the deliverance of the famous kastner trains

and its jewish refugees to switserland including the late satmar rav and rav steif zeicher tsadikim livraha , in 1944

but with allegedly the price of multitudes of jews unsuspectingly led to their tragic deaths

resulting in the famous controversial kastner trials and kastner subequently being shot.

was kastner sitting in eichmans office ‘for years’ ??

highly doubt it

they most probably collaborated only from 1944 and onwards during the last year of the war

when the german defeat became obviously imminent

to many germans and were attempting to prepare for the inevitable allied victory

which could be used for all types of cold reality ‘deals with the devil’

similar to the deals the medina struck with hamas to get their hostages back
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AAQ:
R Moshe Soloveitchik, Chaim Brisker’s son

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why does AAQ persists in calling gdolei hador by their first name ??

this is against shulhan aruch hilchot kvod rabo

it is …. RAV CHAIM BRISKER

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@katan

Square root reminds me of somejew and katan

just from the other side of the fence

both sides erroneously think they know better than the overwhelming majority of gdolei yisrael

both sides hang their shitot on some clearly contorted quotations

and both sides seriously infringe on their credibility in the process of doing so.

@simcha613

feel very bad for the signatories

they have my deepest sympathies

so do the fallen people themselves

and I appreciate immensely their sacrifice

but all sympathies aside

they are not neurosurgeons

so will not ask their advice about matters neurosurgery

even if they happen to offer their advice unsolicited

nor will I be swayed if they are misusing their victimhood , their hardship , or their sacrifice or however else one may correctly describe it

as leverage for me to accept their opinion on matters which they are absolutely unqualified to give advice on, such as neurosurgery .

to form an accurate assessment about neurosurgery I will consult the experts

and totally disregard the above attempts at emotional blackmail

as is attempted by this signed letter

like I will totally disregard politicians , opinion polls and even full democratic elections

for neurosurgery – only expert neurosurgeons’ opinions count

all the rest is nothing more than hevel ure’ut ruach

vehameivin yavin
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interesting

some people only zoom in on to the positive qualities of habad

and some people only zoom into the drivel they also propagate

I cannot understand why those two points have to be mutually exclusive …

both are true

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flamingOTD sounds like a meisit umadiach and a rodef

he repeats the lies and drivel used to murder his own brothers

yazidi’s did not practice any so called and false ‘genocide’ …… why were they slaughtered like cattle ? yes like cattle kipshoto ???

why does he think his own brothers will fare any better ???

is it because he has severed his own connection with them ???

is it because he views them as cattle ???

is it because he thinks they deserve to be slaughtered ???

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FlamingOTD should be barred from posting
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It is DISPUTED halachic reality that Jews were forbidden to have sought political independence and further forbidden from rebelling against the nations and also further forbidden from moving en masse to the Holy Land, all of which the Zionists POSSIBLY violated.

corrected it for katan —
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it is clear that habad post 1950 , operates on a so called ‘missionary’ basis

in addition, converting the unsuspecting into blind believers in their leader is at the forefront of their efforts

this one of the main reasons why they are controversial

all their other positive qualities should be irrelevant when we encounter their blind missionizing

we should call it out without fear or favor

because we are not chvsh sitting in judgement on the totality of habad

something which we anyway are totally unqualified to do

besides the very important principle

of fix yourself up before fixing others

but then again – that does not mean we should just silently agree with all the drivel

people are trying to pass as normative judaism ….
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@ujm

Impossible and unrealistic . Poker game with nefashot and posessions of millions.

Not even a game , in realistic terms , but a scenario which ends in most probable mass disaster , unmatched since WW2 and tach vetat.

when was the last time you had a conversation with a yazidi ?

In an alternate universe – the answer is for sure yes.

but as we all know – alternate universes are totally irrelevant .
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When comparing the baal shem tov and his talmidim to our generation , one should keep in mind the huge differences between then and now .

not only in the level of the generations , “huge” would be a clear understatement

but also in chasidut itself

for the first few generations of hasidut , the son or son in law did not take over

it was the most suitable hasid or talmid who took over

and there was no guarantee either that the one taking over, would automatically ‘take’ all the hasidim with him

the doors were wide open for anyone to travel to someone else entirely

guaranteeing clear meritocracy

and dynamism within the movement

since that changed and it became an issue with hilchot yerusha , brand names , buildings and mosdot chinuch and batei midrash

and on top of that , all the publicity that goes with every specific hasidut

it has lost much of its original appeal

although one can still find to’elet in hasidic courts nowadays

it is a very far cry from the baal shemtovs talmidim – a different world ….
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@flamingOTD

and the houthi’s , in your opinion – do they hate the jews ?
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hello r somejew

am happy to hear from you directly

let’s continue our conversation

you were going to explain why zionism necessarily contradicts any of the ikarei emuna

which one and how

you asked me to provide what galut means based on the torah and hazal

so — here we go : galut includes : ein mukdam ume’uchar …

shibud malhuyot in the form of onerous taxes specifically on the jews

shibud malhuyot as they interfere with kiyum hamitsvot

lack of malhut beit david

dispersion of the yehudim all around the world

being far from EY

lacking the avoda

lacking the tahara engendered by hakravat hakorbanot

lacking the BHMK

lacking hashra’at hashechina

the tsa’ar hashchina

physical tsarot as a result of shibud malhuyot

the immense power of the se’or sheba’issa or the yetser hara

the fact that most of the world’s inhabitants are not aware of the RBSHO and his torah

lacking the required menucha needed to delve into torah properly

lacking batei din smuchim

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there might be more descriptions of what we are lacking in galut

but that is as far as I got for now ….
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looking forward to hearing from you soon ….
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lol.

a viable solution ?

with all citizens and their possessions’ security , enforced by ujm ‘s posts ….

quite a secure proposition ….

bet that ujm himself would not entrust his own security and that of his own children to such a proposition ….

he will be watching from a very safe distance ….
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AAQ thinks rambam’s brother was a yeshiva bachur ???
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