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the shoteh called somejew , insists on calling yeshivat merkaz harav a church ….
this lunacy gives all of us an excellent insight into the true value of all his other posts ….
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.I am the last person to defend kastner but am still aiming for accuracy
zionist organisation as an organisation did not collaborate with hitler after 1939
kastner probably did not sit in eichmans office for years
smoking sigars together, in itself , does not inherently have to be a problem
in your original post you write 3 times that kastner ‘for years’ worked with eichman
thats highly improbable
.this flamingo shoteh is nothing more than a shoteh gamur
he regurgitates blood libels and takes the side of those who would love to re enact october 7 again and again
he even is proud of his stupidity ….
it’s not a myth …. it’s plain reality ….. right in front of our eyes
I too am a antizionist yid and proud ….
I am seeing the barbarians thirsting for blood , and I am proud that I am honest enough to see and acknowledge the reality right in front of my eyes ….
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.flaming OTD is totally disqualified from commenting on this subject
her suggestions are not reality based ,
her suggestions are not torah based
her suggestions are downright dangerous
she never learnt gemarah
she never learnt how to derive the halacha lemaaseh from the poskim
how on earth does she think that she is qualified to voice her am haarets opinion, on something which requires at least 23 dayanim
smuchim to sit together and explore those dinei nefashot bechoved rosh ???
utter stupidity or utter ga’ava or both , to think she is qualified to voice her opinion
she should close her mouth
and firmly so.
what happens to a jew who walks by himself into most ‘nongenocidal’ arab towns in the middle east ?
what happens to an arab who walks by himself into most ‘genocidal’ israeli towns in the middle east ?
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.do not base yourself on others’ opinions
base yourself on the facts which are in plain view, in the present , in the here and now ….
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.ujm claims he follows rav shach ….
I would have him know that rav shach disapproved of equations of zionism and nazism as ujm is wont to do ….
I would have him know that rav shach directed his talmidim to stand and participate
in the minute long silence for yom hazikaron zecher to the fallen in israel
I would have him know that rav shach directed the degel MK’s to vote against the oslo agreements which were purporting to bring ‘peace’ ….
but instead brought death and destruction ….
I would have him know that rav shach directed vaad hayeshivot not to register any boy uninvolved in real full time learning ,
thereby relegating him to forced army service in the IDF of his time ….
was rav shach a zionist ? far from it .
was rav shach a realist ? definitely.
we , including ujm [!] , would do good in really following in rav shach’s footsteps ….
instead of only invoking his name when suitable ….
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.lol
when considering and comparing the fate of jews under so called “non genocidal” arab rule
vs
the fate of arabs under “genocidal” Israeli rule
the differences are stark and staggering ….
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37 jewish places of worship in east jerusalem under ‘non genocidal’ arab rule ?
utter devastation
hundreds of arab mosques and churches under israeli rule ?
growth and expansion
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jewish population under “non genocidal” arab rule in most of the vast middle east ?
mass forced emigration , mass confiscation of property , arbitrary loss of life and limbs with zero connection to any security risks for the rest of the population
arab population under ‘genocidal’ israeli rule ?
healthy numeric expansion , dramatic improvement of life expectancy , dramatic improvement of income per capita ,
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military TARGETING of ‘genocidal’ israeli actions ?
armed men and armed under 18’s , locations used for weapons storage and armed men , even when they include dual use facilities like hospitals and schools , but never TARGETING civilians
military TARGETS of “non genocidal” arabs ?
civilians , children , buses , restaurants , civilian airplanes , markets , sport stadiums , civilians engaged in prayer and worship and the list is much longer
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so , flamingOTD , is misusing his language.
instead of reserving the the term genociders for the the side actually deserving it
he uses it to falsely describe the actual victim of genocide
if this is not a continuation of the classic blood libel then what is ?
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IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN IS
WHITE EUROPEAN OR DARK AND MIDDLE EASTERN
this is totally irrelevant — the above treatment meted out to jews under genocidal arab rule
were meted out to dark and middle eastern jews !!!
.somejew :
… But, there are zero charedi gedolim who have taught that he is not a rushe. [re rav kuk].—
have a look in osef michtavim imrei emet
[who satmar rav titles as harav hagaon hatsaddik]
about rav kuk
and tell me again – honestly …
was rav kuk a rasha in emrei emets eyes ??
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.ujm:
In addition to what you pointed out, the Zionists collaborated and worked with the actual Nazis during the Holocaust to achieve their mutual goals.The most infamous, but far from only, example is the Kapo Rudolf Kastner working hand in hand for years with Nazi Adolf Eichmann ym”s. Kastner literally worked in Eichmann’s office for years and they met and worked together for years.
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wow that’s quite a distortion
zionists collaborated as an institution with nazi’s , not DURING the holocaust but in the 30’s and
only regarding immigration of german jewish refugees to EY and their possessions
re the period of the holocaust itself
an individual zionist, kastner , controversially collaborated with some nazi’s with as result the deliverance of the famous kastner trains
and its jewish refugees to switserland including the late satmar rav and rav steif zeicher tsadikim livraha , in 1944
but with allegedly the price of multitudes of jews unsuspectingly led to their tragic deaths
resulting in the famous controversial kastner trials and kastner subequently being shot.
was kastner sitting in eichmans office ‘for years’ ??
highly doubt it
they most probably collaborated only from 1944 and onwards during the last year of the war
when the german defeat became obviously imminent
to many germans and were attempting to prepare for the inevitable allied victory
which could be used for all types of cold reality ‘deals with the devil’
similar to the deals the medina struck with hamas to get their hostages back
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.@shimon katz
3] have a look in dvar malhut parshat shoftim 5752
re the leader of habads relevation about a navi
1] there are multiple documented cases of habad followers expressing themselves that way
with quite reasonable sources from their own leaders words
4] re the obligation of torah laws – qwerty is probably referring to their documented issues with s’char va’onesh
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.AAQ:
R Moshe Soloveitchik, Chaim Brisker’s son—
why does AAQ persists in calling gdolei hador by their first name ??
this is against shulhan aruch hilchot kvod rabo
it is …. RAV CHAIM BRISKER
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lol
harav hatsadiq hagaon hagadol r somejew , paskened that those people who gave their life
to shield their brothers from somejews friends ‘good and peaceful’ intentions
are resha’im ,
without even knowing any of them in a personal way
he thinks he knows better than rav chaim shmulevits zatsal who clearly
categorized them as harugei lud
who sit in gan eden and ein kol beryah yachol la’amod bemechitsatam
that is an excellent indication about the rest of somejew’s utter drivel
he routinely publishes
under the false guise as representing the torah
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.Square root reminds me of somejew and katan
just from the other side of the fence
both sides erroneously think they know better than the overwhelming majority of gdolei yisrael
both sides hang their shitot on some clearly contorted quotations
and both sides seriously infringe on their credibility in the process of doing so.
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shalom to youfeel very bad for the signatories
they have my deepest sympathies
so do the fallen people themselves
and I appreciate immensely their sacrifice
but all sympathies aside
they are not neurosurgeons
so will not ask their advice about matters neurosurgery
even if they happen to offer their advice unsolicited
nor will I be swayed if they are misusing their victimhood , their hardship , or their sacrifice or however else one may correctly describe it
as leverage for me to accept their opinion on matters which they are absolutely unqualified to give advice on, such as neurosurgery .
to form an accurate assessment about neurosurgery I will consult the experts
and totally disregard the above attempts at emotional blackmail
as is attempted by this signed letter
like I will totally disregard politicians , opinion polls and even full democratic elections
for neurosurgery – only expert neurosurgeons’ opinions count
all the rest is nothing more than hevel ure’ut ruach
vehameivin yavin
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.feel very bad for the signatories
they have my deepest sympathies
so do the fallen people themselves
and I appreciate immensely their sacrifice
but all sympathies aside
they are not neurosurgeons
so will not ask their advice about matters neurosurgery
even if they happen to offer their advice unsolicited
nor will I be swayed if they are misusing their victimhood , their hardship , or their sacrifice or however else one may correctly describe it
as leverage for me to accept their opinion on matters which they are absolutely unqualified to give advice on, such as neurosurgery .
to form an accurate assessment about neurosurgery I will consult the experts
and totally disregard the above attempts at emotional blackmail
as is attempted by this signed letter
like I will totally disregard politicians , opinion polls and even full democratic elections
for neurosurgery – only expert neurosurgeons’ opinions count
all the rest is nothing more than hevel ure’ut ruach
vehameivin yavin
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.this idea of ‘low benefit’ kiruv does not mean to exclude so called ‘high benefit’ kiruv like the example of your grandfather
what they did with your grandfather and countless other jews is wonderful
it means that habad are the only ones who go such extremes and willing to give up so much in ruchniyut, even in cases which ‘yield’ only ‘low’ benefit
the question – is this somehow connected to their mashiach drivel obsession ?
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interesting
some people only zoom in on to the positive qualities of habad
and some people only zoom into the drivel they also propagate
I cannot understand why those two points have to be mutually exclusive …
both are true
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.COULD THE MODERATORS BAR THIS EVIL DRIVEL ???
as if this is a genocide …
massmurder of yazidi’s is … real genocide
what hamas attempts to do is …. real genocide
hamas [and a huge part of arabs in EY by the way] want millions of jews to choose between the suitcase and the coffin
that hero of the arabs mufti husseini is remembered visiting aushwitz in ’44 and meeting hitler in ’41 in support of the good work done there – real genocide
this is the reality
and ignoring that reality does not make it go away
just the opposite
flamingOTD sounds like a meisit umadiach and a rodef
he repeats the lies and drivel used to murder his own brothers
yazidi’s did not practice any so called and false ‘genocide’ …… why were they slaughtered like cattle ? yes like cattle kipshoto ???
why does he think his own brothers will fare any better ???
is it because he has severed his own connection with them ???
is it because he views them as cattle ???
is it because he thinks they deserve to be slaughtered ???
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.flamingOTD:
Multiple agencies outside and inside of Israel have named this as a genocide. Not sure where the lie is?—-
multiple millions seriously believed and propagated THE LIES that your own grandfathers – if they were at all jewish ….
drank gentile blood , organized secretly to take over the world in the name of satan , were responsible for deicide [if at all possible] ,
and were responsible for all possible imaginable ills of society
before I turn around , you should , in all your naivete [or despicable hate] , oh so ‘sincerely’ proclaim the very same : NOT SURE WHERE THE LIE IS ???
proof : multiple millions including very prestigious personalities stood behind this evil drivel ……
the same drivel which was the fuel behind real and repeated unspeakable horror visited on your own flesh and blood ….
you ought to be ashamed of yourself !!!
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.FlamingOTD should be barred from posting
.“They (understandably) harbor (in my opinion) righteous anger against their Israeli genociders. The same way we “hate” Nazis. Is it wrong for a Jew to hate a Nazi? Especially a Jew who survived (or is currently surviving) the holocaust. This is an active genocide … ”
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YOU ARE NOT ASHAMED TO PRINT SUCH BLATANT LIES AND BRAZEN LIBELS AGAINST YOUR OWN BROTHERS AND SISTERS ??????
I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE MODERATORS ALLOW SUCH DRIVEL ….
It is DISPUTED halachic reality that Jews were forbidden to have sought political independence and further forbidden from rebelling against the nations and also further forbidden from moving en masse to the Holy Land, all of which the Zionists POSSIBLY violated.
corrected it for katan —
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.somejew ???
it is clear that habad post 1950 , operates on a so called ‘missionary’ basis
in addition, converting the unsuspecting into blind believers in their leader is at the forefront of their efforts
this one of the main reasons why they are controversial
all their other positive qualities should be irrelevant when we encounter their blind missionizing
we should call it out without fear or favor
because we are not chvsh sitting in judgement on the totality of habad
something which we anyway are totally unqualified to do
besides the very important principle
of fix yourself up before fixing others
but then again – that does not mean we should just silently agree with all the drivel
people are trying to pass as normative judaism ….
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.you have not answered my question
the houthi’s , in your opinion – do they hate the jews ?
.Impossible and unrealistic . Poker game with nefashot and posessions of millions.
Not even a game , in realistic terms , but a scenario which ends in most probable mass disaster , unmatched since WW2 and tach vetat.
when was the last time you had a conversation with a yazidi ?
In an alternate universe – the answer is for sure yes.
but as we all know – alternate universes are totally irrelevant .
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.AAQ talks about and makes inference from rambams brother’s action , without having ever lived in similar environment and age , nor is AAQ privy to the brothers’ individual personality …
.When comparing the baal shem tov and his talmidim to our generation , one should keep in mind the huge differences between then and now .
not only in the level of the generations , “huge” would be a clear understatement
but also in chasidut itself
for the first few generations of hasidut , the son or son in law did not take over
it was the most suitable hasid or talmid who took over
and there was no guarantee either that the one taking over, would automatically ‘take’ all the hasidim with him
the doors were wide open for anyone to travel to someone else entirely
guaranteeing clear meritocracy
and dynamism within the movement
since that changed and it became an issue with hilchot yerusha , brand names , buildings and mosdot chinuch and batei midrash
and on top of that , all the publicity that goes with every specific hasidut
it has lost much of its original appeal
although one can still find to’elet in hasidic courts nowadays
it is a very far cry from the baal shemtovs talmidim – a different world ….
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.A] This extreme, [although positive], emphasis on low benefit kiruv is singularly held by habad from 1950 and onwards
the price prepared to be paid for this, is unmatched , not to be found anywhere else in Judaism , ever.
B] the extreme emphasis on mashiach and his specific identity is equally singularly held by habad from 1950 and onwards
this emphasis is equally unmatched , not to be found anywhere else in Judaism , ever.
—the pivotal question is – are A and B related ?
or do they only happen to coincide ?
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I do not have a clear answer .
nor do I have clear proof .
but it is homer lamachshava …..
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.and the houthi’s , in your opinion – do they hate the jews ?
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.Impossible and unrealistic . Poker game with nefashot and posessions of millions.
Not even a game , in realistic terms , but a scenario which ends in most probable mass disaster , unmatched since WW2 and tach vetat.
when was the last time you had a conversation with a yazidi ?
In an alternate universe – the answer is for sure yes.
but as we all know – alternate universes are totally irrelevant .
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.hello r somejew
am happy to hear from you directly
let’s continue our conversation
you were going to explain why zionism necessarily contradicts any of the ikarei emuna
which one and how
you asked me to provide what galut means based on the torah and hazal
so — here we go : galut includes : ein mukdam ume’uchar …
shibud malhuyot in the form of onerous taxes specifically on the jews
shibud malhuyot as they interfere with kiyum hamitsvot
lack of malhut beit david
dispersion of the yehudim all around the world
being far from EY
lacking the avoda
lacking the tahara engendered by hakravat hakorbanot
lacking the BHMK
lacking hashra’at hashechina
the tsa’ar hashchina
physical tsarot as a result of shibud malhuyot
the immense power of the se’or sheba’issa or the yetser hara
the fact that most of the world’s inhabitants are not aware of the RBSHO and his torah
lacking the required menucha needed to delve into torah properly
lacking batei din smuchim
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there might be more descriptions of what we are lacking in galut
but that is as far as I got for now ….
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.looking forward to hearing from you soon ….
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.the arab world comprises over twenty countries
can you name one country out the twenty plus — equalling lesss than 5 p/c of the total , where such a system as you proposed is a success in safeguarding a very substantial group of non moslem and non arabs ?
and why you think that such a system will safeguard your own brothers in the face of overwhelming support within the arab population of hamas goals and methods
which include offering millions of jews a binary choice between the coffin and the suitcase ?
and in case of serious threats to the security of millions of your own brothers
who exactly is going to be ready to sacrifice their own children for their safety in a literal sense ?
and even if some people or governments will pay the necessary lip service committing themselves to do so
how many casualties will it take for them to ultimately buckle ?
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whatever you happen to think about the proclamation of the medina some 80 years agothis ship has sailed long ago
reality now is —
millions of your brothers are in sakana
and you [we all] are obligated to do all possible to shield them
irrespective of the futile blame game some are insisting on
like hatsala who do all they can to save people
without looking for someone to blame for this emergency
and only realistic solutions should be considered
.lol.
a viable solution ?
with all citizens and their possessions’ security , enforced by ujm ‘s posts ….
quite a secure proposition ….
bet that ujm himself would not entrust his own security and that of his own children to such a proposition ….
he will be watching from a very safe distance ….
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.AAQ is again moving the goalposts smack in the middle of the game
the issue is not so much what the SC did
the main issue is the power the SC has taken without authorisation
the power to cancel whatever they want
arbitrarily , and unchecked
they themselves say this bepeh malei
as clear as can be
so polls are totally irrelevant to the discussion
thats besides the obvious fact that they are many times skewed or manipulated
why is AAQ ignoring the substance of the discussion ?
the SC has empowered itself [!] to cancel any type of law just by virtue of being ‘unreasonable’
even if passed 120 to 0 .
there is only one description possible :
illegal , and therefore criminal .
full stop.
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.AAQ thinks rambam’s brother was a yeshiva bachur ???
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.you probably are lumped together with katan and somejew because you seem to possess the same dictionary as them ….
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.Rav yaakov kaminetski is widely quoted characterizing habad as similar to the para aduma
both are metaher temeim and metame tehorim
this was way before the mashiach madness started to be included in the yafutsu ‘shturem’ ….
both the subject of this thread and the shitat chinuch of habad are probably included in his quote ….
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.yb to katan :
the secretary general of the arab league in 1947 stated that if the state of israel is proclaimed , the massacres of djengis khan will pale in comparison to what is going to happen in EY …
multiply october 7 by a thousand, as planned and promised by ‘sweet’ cohens friends …
and you will have the honored secretary’s prophesy actualized
october 7 serves as a good reminder as to what the friends of our ‘sweet’ cohen are really up to ….katan to yb :
Yet the Zionists, claiming they had a 50/50 chance of winning the war, chose to go against the UN which wanted to start a new mandate and instead chose to flip the coin and go to war, regardless of the cost in Jewish blood. Because in the Zionist faith, Zionism is above all else.
—–please read the above exchange …
the question : is katan sidestepping ?
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did he say anything about the goals of sweet cohen’s friends ?
did he say anything about the methods of sweet cohen’s friends ?
why not ?
does sweet cohen give any legitimacy to his friends goals and methods ?
is katan giving any legitimacy to sweet cohens friends’ goals and methods ?
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food for thought ….
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.@AAQ
we do not need any examples when they themselves are clearly proclaiming for anyone to hear
SC says it clearly themselves —-black on white —- they own the right to cancel any decision , any law , no matter the numbers in the knesset
even 120 – 0
whenever they [subjectively] consider it ‘unreasonable’
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.hoda’at baal din keme’a edim ….
they themselves say this , loud and clear
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.AAQ
passports taken away, reminds me of the late USSR ….
.Square root reminds me of somejew and katan
just from the other side of the fence
both sides erroneously think they know better than the overwhelming majority of gdolei yisrael
both sides hang their shitot on some clearly contorted quotations
and both sides seriously infringe on their credibility in the process of doing so.
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.AAQ :
…. Clearly Rambam was not against having a driving license – he was supported by his brother, a merchant.
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does ANYONE see any logic in this statement of AAQ ???
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What exactly is the connection between being supported by your merchant brother on one handand bachurim in yeshiva not having a license ???
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.@AAQ
baruch shelo kivanta
my attitude has no implications whatsoever besides the following :
restore the power to israeli citizens as it was for the first four and a half decades in EY
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.I never claimed to deserve any more or any less power than any other citizen
I do claim however that the collective citizens in EY have been defrauded
by crooks and elitists and hypocrites
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.I do not feel any more or less entitled than any other citizen in EY
what my options are – you ask ? the simple answer is ,
the same options as anyone else living under a dictatorship …
but at the very least , we should call it out as it really is , and not make believe as if those crooks and this fraud are somehow acceptable
like unrealistic AAQ insists on doing again and again ….
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SC says it clearly themselves —-black on white —- they own the right to cancel any decision , any law , no matter the vote !if they [subjectively] consider it ‘unreasonable’
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.hoda’at baal din keme’a edim ….
they themselves say this , loud and clear
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only clear to those willing to listen …..
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.katan to YB:
His [cohen’s] view that Jews are not responsible for anything the Zionists do or don’t do is indeed a very important one.—-
katan is sidestepping .
everyone says and everyone knows that Jews overall are not responsible for anything the Z do or don’t do.
that was not the issue re cohen at all !
the issue without sidestepping ! is the following , which is unforgivable :
it is ‘sweet’ cohen’s support of those who literally employ all means, including october 7 barbarities ! to murder our innocent brothers and sisters in EY
it does not make any difference how they sugarcoat this monstrosity
they support those murderers , they support those who threaten to repeat october 7 again and again
until all of our brothers and sisters are driven into the sea chvsh
when hitler threatened to murder all jews most people did not believe him either
husseini , this hero of ‘sweet’ cohens friends , visited aushwitz in 1944 in support of the good work done there …
frum inmates still remembered the guy with the funny hat , who was went by the funny name – ‘mufti’ ….
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.the secretary general of the arab league in 1947 stated that if the state of israel is proclaimed ,
the massacres of djengis khan will pale in comparison to what is going to happen in EY [chvsh again] …
multiply october 7 by a thousand, as planned and promised by ‘sweet’ cohens friends … [chvsh again]
and you will have the honored [and probably equally ‘sweet’] secretary’s prophesy actualized [chvsh again] according to the wishes of this ‘funny hat’ guy …
october 7 serves as a good reminder as to what the friends of our ‘sweet’ cohen are really up to ….
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.as was the twelve day war in EY when ‘sweet’ cohens other friends
lobbed busses full of explosives at breakneck speed at our innocent brothers and sisters in EY ..
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.how ‘sweet’ …..
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Again – yaakov yosef keeps outdoing himself …
.AAQ to YYA :
This seems to be the key, necesssary, part of your position: SC has absolute power, thus Israel is not a democracy and there is no way around it. Therefore, we need to fight against the state. I do not agree. I don’t know how to prove that ….—
I know very well why AAQ can’t prove it .
Because it is impossible to prove something which does not exist ….
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