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@ujm

correct

r levin did not view it like a RZ.

but he signed .

I disagree that his non signature would signify the retreat of the status quo

I also disagree that the RBSHO was left out of the declaration

the peshara was the inclusion of the words ‘tsur yisrael’ which the religious understood as referring to God.

the bottom line however is the following —

according to satmar this declaration is kefira be’ikar

against all the ikarim

is yehareig ve’al yaavor

and on top of that three unhinged commenters repeatedly post

that this is accepted by ALL rabbanim

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comes ujm and is mechadesh that shtika of the rabbanim affiliated with aguda is a hoda’a to the statements of its lay leadership

now— use ujm’s logic and voila —

we have a haskama that signing this declaration is none of the above

not kefira in the ikarim

not yehareig ve’al yaavor

not THE supposed source of all evil …..

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@moshe goldwasser

the idea of the ‘veltishe’ kiruv orgs [who definitely have a different outlook than habad]

did absolutely not ‘come from’ habad !!!

this is classic false habad propaganda

used to brainwash its adherents
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@ZSK

the pashtut in maharal is that the oaths are yehareig veal yaavor

how that fits with the klal that only the 3 hamurot are classified as such I do not know
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@ZSK

goren is not accepted as a rabbinical authority and his mention undermeines your post
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somejew seems to agree that a mumar is rewarded for his mitsvot

maybe not in olam haba

but rewarded nevertheless
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thanks for your being modeh al ha’emet …
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@ZSK

chazon ish famously compared usage of electricity on shabbat in EY , to

a sefer torah burning and a fellow needing fire for his smoke , lights his cigarette on that fire

technically he did not transgress , but who could bring himself to do such a thing …
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Flaming OTD would do herself good if she internalizes the following description of an online message in a video from occupied Iran :

The young Iranian woman highlights Iran’s current reality as a country of more than 92 million people living under an intense digital blackout. “Almost a complete blackout for more than 24 hours: no internet, no phone connection, no communication at all,” she says. “And what does the left do? It stays silent. No protests, no hashtags, no megaphones. Iranian suffering simply doesn’t fit the agenda.”

She argues that this silence is not accidental but deliberate. “Because the suffering of Iranians does not fit their agenda. Because modern leftist movements are no longer driven by human rights – they are driven by selective outrage and ideological loyalty. They will scream about censorship – unless it is done by an Islamist regime. They will condemn state violence to the fullest – but will never say a word if that violence is wrapped in religious language.”

“They chant “Free Palestine,” but will never say “Free Iran,” because that would require one difficult admission: that political Islam is not liberation – it is domination. And, by the way, this is happening in the West today as well.”

“You cannot claim moral superiority while justifying a regime that kills women and punishes them for refusing the hijab, kills protesters, cuts off the internet for a 92-million-strong nation, and uses foreign proxy groups to cover up its own internal collapse. You cannot pretend to care about Palestinians while ignoring Iranians who are being shot, tortured, and killed by the Islamic Republic.”

“History will remember this moment. It will remember who spoke about universal freedom and who decided that some lives are less important than preserving a narrative. Long live Iran,” she concluded.

The clip has sparked widespread debate online, resonating with many who see it as a rare and uncompromising challenge to dominant narratives surrounding Iran, Gaza, and the politics of global protest movements.
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According to LYING flamingOTD , israel is intending to genocide the arabs in EY

I have a basic question for her , basic logic ….

why have they not done so ?

they governed over arabs since 1948

and governed over even more arabs since 1967

at least they should have done to the arabs what the arabs did to the jews they governed ….

at least ….

why did they not do so ? ? ?

elementary question to flaming OTD …..

1] what happened to the 37 shuls in the Old City governed by the arab government from 1948 till 1967 ,for nearly twenty years ? ? ?

2] what happens to the hundreds of mosques governed by israel from 1948 till 2026 ? ? ?

who is really committing genocide ???

flaming … if you do not answer these questions directly , then you are a cheap cop out , nothing more ….
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ZSK , even though I disagree with him re hallel and other prayers he mentions

has written a very mature fact based rebuttal to katan ujm and somejew

thanks are due to him

those fanatics are doing a disservice to their own cause
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The poster who self labels as flamingOTD

claims she is female

claims she is jewish

claims she is arab

claims that reality is irrelevant

claims falsely that arabs in israel are not equal to jews before the law

claims falsely that jews are not indigenous in EY

claims falsely that it is sure that the genocidal barbarities which befell other minorities in the Middle East will never befall the jews

claims falsely that the arabs are indigenous in north africa

claims falsely that the arab muslim mindset does not encourage violence

claims falsely that hamas could not give shelter to arab civilians in their 900 kms of tunnels

claims falsely that innocent civilian jews are safe in arab towns all over the middle east

claims falsely that innocent arab civilians are not safe in non battle zone towns under israeli domination

claims falsely that jews were not systematically murdered and ethnically cleansed from arab muslim towns and cities all over the middle east

claims falsely that the stated and proven aim of hamas and friends is not the ethnical cleansing of jews from all of ‘palestine’

claims falsely that the IDF is not the only credible power standing in hamas’ way

claims falsely that OTD and ‘majority’ of arabs in palestine will successfully stop hamas from doing what they clearly say and intend to do

claims falsely that ‘love and acceptance’ will stop hamas from carrying out their genocidal goals, like ‘peace and love’ stopped the nazi’s genocide

claims falsely that utopia and lazy thinking could somehow shield innocents from barbarians

claims falsely that certain standards only apply to an ideological predetermined target

claims falsely that arab muslims live with each other in supposed ‘peace and love’

claims falsely that many hundreds of thousands of innocent arab muslims were never barbarically murdered by their own brothers

—– in iraq , lebanon , syria , jordan , algeria , sudan , yemen and libya ….

and the blatant lies, inconsistencies and double standards within OTD’s posts are following each other in such a fast tempo

—– as if their tempo would somehow fool the bystander into the same dream like existence as OTD fools herself into ….

she is a fool who is so foolish that she fools herself into believing that others will be foolish enough to follow her into the abyss ….
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ujm claims that “…. UTJ has a Rabbinic leadership of the top Gedolei Yisroel of our era. If Rabbi Goldknof said something out of line, especially in his capacity as officially representative of UTJ, which this comment was as it was made in the Knesset, then the Gedolei Rabbonim shlita would have required him to publicly retract.”

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using ujm’s logic in the case of ….. the President of the Aguda in 1948 r’ itche maier Levin who signed on the israeli Declaration of Independence ….

If R Levin signed something out of line, especially in his capacity as officially leader of agudat yisrael, then the Gedolei Rabbonim shlita would have required him to publicly retract.”

And they did not ….

Using ujm’s logic … that proves that the gdolei rabbanim agreed with the declaration ….

hmmmm …..
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flamingo professes to be a jew

and a religious one ….

does flamingo know the severity of the issur of motsi shem ra ????

did flamingo ever learn the sefer of the hafets hayim in a thorough manner ????

does flamingo know that the issur of motsi shem ra is multiplied by the amount of people she is libeling ????

does flamingo know what the zohar writes about people who are motsi la’az about the collective of klal yisrael ????

is she really religious ????

is she really jewish ????

all one big mystery …..
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flamingo goes on and on and should cut to the issue at hand – am deleting the unnecessary details from her post and correcting it as she should have written if she would listen to reality instead of biased and lying propaganda , masquerading as ‘reports’

1] how many innocent german children died in world war two ?
was that genocide ?
if not , why not ?

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if your asking about non-jewish german children, I would imagine there are many who died, but not from genocide, these were more casualties of war than genocide .

What differentiates this from genocide is the intent.

If the Allies would intend to genocide the german civilians , THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO KILL THEM AFTER THEY WON THE WAR

They did not – that shows that they were ‘casualties’ , nothing more.

And this is vital when understanding what is happening in Palestine.
Because Israel isn’t killing any arab civilians after they win the war , that shows their intent . Otherwise why would they stop ?

Intent from Israeli Government:

– Comments wrongly interpreted by biased antisemites as comparing Palestinians to “human animals” — language that those liars made appear viewed as dehumanizing the innocent arab civilians , when in fact those comments are referring to armed genocidal fanatics of the Hamas variety and their supporters

– Statements by political and military leaders framed in religious or absolute terms, such as invoking the command to destroy Amalek, which should be understood as “total annihalation” for the same armed fanatics

– A letter by a top official to soldiers described in the UN-Hamas propaganda report as stressing a kind of “total annihilation” approach, which the commission mistreated as an indicator of intent to destroy a group of civilians when in fact was referring to the same armed fanatics

The UN – Hamas propanda claims that the only reasonable inference is genocidal intent.

The UN-Hamas propaganda highlights these patterns:

– Deliberate deprivation and siege conditions which in fact was targeted against armed fanatics
A long‑term blockade restricting food, water, medicine, fuel and humanitarian access to Gaza, which was aimed at the fanatics and their supporters.

– Scale and nature of mass harm
“Very high” civilian death tolls, including large numbers of children, totally ignoring comparable war situations with even higher civilian death tolls

– Destruction of vital infrastructure
Widespread destruction of homes, hospitals, schools, water systems, and other infrastructure , to be blamed on Hamas genocidal monsters using those facilities for their genocidal activities.

– Measures affecting births
Destruction of reproductive health facilities (such as IVF clinics) and other services that affect the ability of the population to reproduce — to be blamed on the same Hamas monsters using those facilities for their genocidal activities.

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why does flamingo not answer those simple objective reality based questions ?

How come the arab population, their life expectancy , their economic development in EY is doing so well under a GENOCIDE ?

whenever there is no armed conflict and no active preparation for one, that is .

whenever and wherever there is no conflict , those three sure proof indicators skyrocket – how does that square with an intent to annihilate them ?

how did the population of gaza multiply to over 2 million under a genocide ?????

how were the population numbers of the jews faring under a real genocide in Europe ?

remember – the word genocide did not exist . It was created in order to stop the nazi genocide from reoccurring ….

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why can’t you argue your case without constantly relying on the authority of so called ‘commissions’ ?

why can’t you argue your case on the basis of facts and logic only ?
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@ brainless flamingo

In the same sentence I say I respect all people I call flamingo a filthy liar that has punishment coming from shamayim.

yes.

In the same sentence that I say I respect all people , I will also call a murderer a filthy murderer because that’s what he is .

one should respect all people and should still call out filthy murderers – not a contradiction at all

and call out accessories to murder through their filthy lies – yes call them out too

meaning – people like flamingo
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if someone chvsh murders my brothers – the least I can do is to call them out

if someone advocates to facilitate murdering my brothers through the spreading of lies – the least I can do is to call them out too

any decent and reasonable person should do the same

why that is in any way a contradiction to respecting all people – is beyond me …

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somejew claims :

the situation in Eretz Yisroel is not pikiach nefesh. If it was pikiach nefesh, there would be a mass exodus of emigrants leaving the zionist borders right now.
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you obviously are missing the point

the reason why there is no ‘mass exodus’ is the result of the work of the IDF with the help from above

like the operating team saving the life of the patient with the help from above

the operating team is not allowed to stop it work even on shabbat because that is pikiach nefesh

likewise the minute the IDF stops its work , there will be

clear pikiach nefesh and a resulting mass exodus of those who can and have where to leave to …

those who don’t have papers , or where to go , or are old , sick or not fast enough … are liable to be

hacked to death — like the october 7 victims lo aleinu

this is the plain unvarnished reality

any ten year old child knows this

it is incumbent to be mehalel shabat to stop this from happening

as paskened in OC329

and where somejew’s non option of ‘running away’ is paskened there as not relevant at all

and hilul shabat is still mandated and so is the obvious fighting to defend innocents equally mandated
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those who are able to stop it from happening and do not do so

are over on lo ta’amod al dam rei’acha on every minute they are able to and do not

this is the real torah view on the current situation

no matter whether the original zionists were right or wrong at the time
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articulating this torah psak has no connection whatsoever with serving any supposed idol

on the other hand advocating for endangering masses of jews

on the basis of a hagadik maharal totally irrelevant to the immediate mass pikiach nefesh in front of us

and on top of that clearly contradicted by shulchan aruch YD 157

like somejew katan ujm and flamingo repeatedly do…

that is clear megaleh panim batorah shelo kahalacha and is playing with the lives of many millions

and totally reprehensible
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katan lives in his make believe world

in katans alternate universe the zionists ‘invaded’ EY

completely false

the zionists immigrated to EY — with the express permission of the authorities at the time

the overwhelming majority had permission

towards the end the number of illegal immigrants climbed

btw – rav wosner the posek hador and his wife immigrated illegally

they got off their boat and waded ashore – undetected

did rav wosner zatsal ‘invade’ ??

no , he did not . he immigrated

like the zionists

they all immigrated …

if there was someone who ‘invaded’ EY , it were the five arab armies , in may 1948 after the british withdrawal

thats some historical accuracy for katan, our revisionist ‘historian’ ….
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flamingo the filthy liar claims that we are teaching Jewish children to hate Arabs . We are teaching Jewish children to hate Muslims, and overall to look down on Non-Jews .

flamingo the filthy liar should write for der sturmer .

they would be delighted to feature her

I pray that flamingo should get her just rewards from heaven for her filthy lies

this is total sheker vechazav

my children are NOT taught to hate arabs , nor are any of the children I know , nor are any children taught to hate any muslims

nor to look down on anyone whatsoever

my children are taught that chaviv adam she nivra betselem like mishna says in avot

my children are taught to treat everyone with respect as a human being

and let me tell you — they do respect every human being

I am deeply offended by your attacks , lies and vile slurs …
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flamingo is being clear MOTSI SHEM RA on all of klal yisrael and will have to some very serious teshuva — if she is jewish ….
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flamingo falsely claims that in Israel Jews have more rights than non-jews.

Another monstrous lie .

all citizens in Israel are equal in front of the law no matter whether arab or jewish.

again wondering whether flamingo is jewish or not

such vile lies …

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arab citizens in arab countries do not enjoy the rights arab citizens enjoy in israel !!!!

does flamingo know that there is widespread resistance from arab citizens in israel against a plan of transferring sovereignty of their homes

from israeli to arab , even when no one is moved at all ….

why do they prefer israeli sovereignty over arab sovereignty ??

why do they want to live under a ‘genocidal’ regime ????

have you ever seen a jew wanting to stay under a nazi regime ?????

do you realize that the contrived language you are parroting, amounts to nothing more than utter hogwash ???

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flamingo claims that israel is a colonial ethno-nationalist state ….

not backed up by any facts nor any logic ….

why is israel any more ‘ethno nationalist’ than any of the twenty arab states ???

why is israel any more ‘ethno nationalist’ than any of the fifty muslim states ????
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why is israel ‘colonial’ ???

why is the US not ‘colonial’ ???

why are Australia and New Zealand not ‘colonial’ ???

why is Canada not ‘colonial’ ???

why are the arab countries not ‘colonial’ ??? Didn’t they come from the Arabian Peninsula and ‘colonize’ the entire Middle East ????

The roots of the Jews in the Land of Israel are much deeper than any of all other nations mentioned ….
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Flamingo — FACT , FIGURES and COLD HARD LOGIC , please

no false fuzzy brain numbing platitudes which cannot standup in the harsh light of reality ….
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flamingo claims that it is “my assumption” is that they want to wipe us out …
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IT IS NOT MY ASSUMPTION

IT IS WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DID …. AND STILL DO …. AND WHAT THEY SAY THEY WILL DO AGAIN … AND AGAIN ….

why is flamingo purposely ignoring facts staring right into her face ?? is she that stupid ??

in her personal life is she also that stupid ???

when people spit in her face , does she also claim that it just happened to be raining ????
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FLAMINGO claims : the current populations of Jews in israel were not in need of this “self-defense” from Hamas prior to the establishment of the state of israel ….
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Such a Sheker … Such a monstrous lie ….

If not for the British authorities and the Jewish self defense groups BEFORE 1948 , the entire Jewish population would be gruesomely HACKED TO DEATH
just like their unfortunate brothers and sisters in 1921 , in 1926 , in 1929 , in 1936-1939 , in 1946 , and in 1947.

My own grandfather remembered hiding as a child from crazed murderous Arab mobs in Haifa in 1936. He had to be smuggled out of his hiding place in the middle of the night , never to return to his childhood home. The whole family was lucky to escape with their lives .
And had to start anew in Jerusalem … from scratch .

That is no news for the Middle East . Ask the Yazidi’s , the Kurds , the Alawites , the Jews from 1948 in Egypt , in Syria , in Iraq , in Yemen .

Listen to the Secretary General of the Arab League who clearly said that the massacres of Djengis Kahn will pale in comparison …

Follow the activities of Grand Mufti Husseini , the ultimate hero of the Arabs BEFORE 1948 who organized Muslim army brigades for Hitler.

Who visited Auschwitz in admiration of the good work done there .

Do all that , and you will acquire a taste for REAL GENOCIDE , not for the false ersatz variety …

You are buried in lies and without drastic mental action this will be your grave .
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@flamingOTD

UN reports are not worth the paper they are written on

They do not count at all

THE ONLY THING WHICH COUNTS IS …. REALITY

You should stop to outsource your intellect and your thinking to others !!!

Yes , there are calls for annihilation of a group .

That group is Hamas .

That group is GENOCIDAL Hamas .

Real genocidal . Not libelously genocidal.

You should not be defending real genocide .

You should not be falsely libeling those who STOP genocide .

That makes YOU an accomplice to genocide .

No matter what the biased liars of the UN say .

They are an accomplice too.

One accomplice takes the other accomplice as a witness …

SHAME ON YOU !!!!
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@flamingOTD

According to leading researchers of DePauw University :

“American propaganda during the War
dehumanized and vilified targeted groups. The Japanese were among these
targeted groups as they were depicted as savage, subhuman and in need of extermination by American forms of
media and Government .

The following US Government poster is a good example :

Stay on the job until every MURDERING
JAP is wiped out.”

My question to you : Are the Americans during WW2 guilty of Genocide ? Yes or No ?

Bear in mind the 3 million plus innocent Japanese civilians who died by American bombs ….

Genocide ??? , Yes or No ???
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Lol.

flamingo refuses to answer any of the 17 simple questions

but still accuses the jews of ‘foreclosing critique’ …..

I recommend her for honorable mention in the Guinness Book of Records under the subject of “Biggest Hypocrite” …..
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@square

ujm’s proposal to ‘give’ EY to the US , is a total non starter

they will NEVER take it

they will NEVER grant citizenship to the 12- 15 million arabs and jewish inhabitants plus descendants of refugees

they will NEVER deploy their soldiers and put them in harm’s way to shield the innocent jews from the brainwashed barbarians

who relish to see masses of blood

ujm himself does’ not believe in this proposal either

ujm only mentions this as a diversionary tactic

ujm is blinded by a agadic maharal

which is totally irrelevant to our situation

and additionally, is not even halacha pesuka

as all halachik codifiers clearly paskan otherwise.
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