Yabia Omer

You do realize that edited?

No, but you do realize that using this screen name makes a mockery of Chacham Ovadiah zt’l right?

Mecha’a, not “Macha”.

Still NO EXCUSE for the yidden to break the rules. Why can’t frum people follow rules?

If that were true, why does it say Vayiahman Yeshurun Vayiv’at? Must mean that the Torah knows that what you said isn’t necessarily always true.

Ujm you’re right. Williamsburg is the dream land.

There’s no such thing as Torah Judaism. There’s no such thing as Charedi Judaism. There’s just Judaism. And yes, that’s the uninterrupted chain from Sinai.

I actually think MO preceded Charedi. So in that sense, Charedi is the breakoff. I guarantee that a massive percentage of the families of people in Lakewood, for example, were not Charedi a couple of generation ago. Maybe not even MO….

What exactly is Charedi? I know what it is but what is it really? Seems like an artificial invention. My ancestors didn’t call themselves Charedim.

Interesting.

What about saying Lesaken Olam Bemalchus Sha…? That sounds like “to endanger the world” rather than to fix the world.

So in that version of Tzur Mishelo when we say Hazan Hazan Hazan, would anyone think that is three Rashuyuos (c”v) that are feeding us? Come on. This is fruitless pilpul on steroids.

You’re comparing a chat room on “Yeshiva World” to Baalei Hatosfot? Good one! The issue here is an obsession with trivial minutiae that has no Toelet. Furthermore, these minutiae are almost always about Chitzoniut: what color, what length, what hat, what peyos, etc. Is Maroon tznius? Really? You guys have a nothing better to discuss?

This is what Jews are thinking about in 2021?

Go to a Sefardi shul. They sing EVERYTHING

Nobody cares! You guys are spending time talking about competing Ger Hasidim? Nothing better to ponder?

This is what frum people worry about?

What’s your definition of OTD? Is a woman who stops covering her hair but still keeps Shabbos, Kashrus, Taharas Hamishpacha OTD?

This conversation is Divrei Srak

Yabia Omer is from a pasuk in Tehilim. True that Maran had a book by that name. But no connection on my end

I can assure you that it is not a Sephardic or Moroccan custom. Perhaps that particular shul adopted it.

This is a VERY interesting thread. I would say first and foremost it’s an economic issue. Our close friends have 5 kids and were living in a disgusting cramped apartment. They said “enough is enough” and moved to a much nicer home in Lakewood.

But Brooklyn is just part of a bigger picture. It’s just harder in America than a few decades ago. Israel will be increasing attractive to people. Unless you have a top-notch career here, it’ll make less and less sense to stay here. I’m not saying that America Jewry will collapse tomorrow. But we are definitely in the process of decline.

It’s part of our history. Do any Jews live in Pumbedita? Toledo? Lublin?

I used to say Ki Gaz Chish venaufa. But it’s Vanaufa. Also used to say Hodu Al Eretz veshamayim and it’s Hodo. Also used to Zaharei Chama and it’s Zahorei. I’m sure there’s more.

First of all it’s veAhvraham Siv…. It’s the Targum of veAhvraham Zaken. That portion is read in Hebrew and in Targum.

Secondly Sebet is a Syrian phenomenon. Sephardim are not a monolithic group!

In BOTH communities, breaking the glass is the last time the man puts his foot down.