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Wolfish: To backup your view, please tell us when Beis Din did use kipa.
I did back up my view. You just mistook what my view was.
My view is that you cannot just say that Bais Din put anyone they wanted to (i.e. murderers who could not be murdered because of technical judicial restraints). The evidence for that view is the story of R. Shimon ben Shetach.
My view was not that they never did. My view was simply that you cannot make any blanket statements along the lines of “whenever Bais Din wanted to take care of someone but couldn’t give him the proper death penalty, then they did this.” Obviously there are cases when they can’t.
As to what the rules are, I’ll admit that I don’t know. But that, in no way, makes my statement any less valid or correct.
The Wolf
The idea is not the cost, but the thought.
I’ve done a few anniversary gifts that were (to Eeees) memorable. Here’s an easy one (provided you have some time until the date):
Go through your wedding pictures and find a nice shot of her wedding bouquet. Have it recreated in silk flowers so that she will also have her wedding bouquet. I did this for our thirteenth anniversary.
The Wolf
Even the punishment of the kipa, I believe, was fairly limited.
For example, take the story of R. Shimon ben Shetach who saw someone chase a second person into an alley. When he finally reached the alleyway, he saw the murderer standing over his victim with the bloody knife still in his hand. However, he expressed his frustration that since (a) he didn’t actually witness the murder and (b) there were no other witnesses, he could not have the person face the justice he deserved. At that point, a snake came along and bit the murderer, killing him.
The upshot of the story, however, is that R. Shimon ben Shetach was frustrated because he was unable to do anything about this fellow whom he knew with 100% certainty to be a murderer. Had he been able to take him to a Bais Din and have him punished extra-judicially, he would not have felt so frustrated as to express his anger at the murderer.
Hence, it seems that Bais Din could not use extra-judicial killing whenever they wanted to. There must have been policies and rules in place limiting it’s use to particular circumstances, and that this case did not meet those circumstances.
The Wolf
I don’t know what the policy is and I don’t know what the halacha is. All I can tell you, however, is that I would feel VERY funny taking a garment back after a long time and after normal wear-and-tear. And I certainly wouldn’t return it for something that it was never meant to do (grow with the person).
But that’s just my opinion. Consult your LOR for an actual answer.
The Wolf
Can someon, please explain the logic in why a suspected murderer would be free of conviction if the ENTIRE beis din has no doubt that he was guilty?
It should be pointed out that this halacha applies to all capital cases, not just murder.
I won’t claim to fully understand the reasoning behind it, but I am certain that that IS the din.
The Wolf
Is anyone else getting the creepy feeling that this monster set this up?
According to the just-concluded press conference from the police, it was not set up. It was just happenstance that they met.
Any BP kid knows all about 13th Ave.
It’s not out of the realm of possibility that a kid, walking alone for the first time, made a wrong turn and/or was not paying attention to where he was going until he was lost.
I doubt he will get a death penalty.
He absolutely will NOT get the death penalty because New York does not have a functioning death penalty law in place.
The Wolf
Why would a cheresh have a different status today than in the past?
The assumption is that a cheresh could not communicate (or be communicated to) and hence, could not be educated.
Today, we have means to communicate and educate people who are deaf, mute or both.
The Wolf
He would be Chayav Missah. However in the time of the Sanhedrin, if the vote was unanimous with regard to his guilt, I dont think hew ould have been killed.
That is correct. All the judges voting for conviction results in an acquittal.
but I think if all the Sanhedrin members thik he is guilty and one is not sure, he gets off.
If the vote is 22-0 for conviction (with one non-vote), then two additional judges are added to the court and (after possible further deliberation) another vote is taken. Once you have a result with 23 voting members, then the result is binding.
The Wolf (who is thisclose to finally finishing Sanhedrin)
No one in NY was charged whith the death penalty since it became law in 1995.
Incorrect. There were several people on New York’s Death Row (meaning that they were convicted and sentenced to death) when the statute was declare unconstitutional. All people on Death Row have since been re-sentenced.
No one, however, has been executed since the law was enacted.
The Wolf
Hakaros Hatov can be expressed privately.
It can also be expressed publicly.
The Wolf
With regard to the transporter, it might depend on the type of technology used.
Does the transporter transport matter? In other words, does it disassemble you, transport your molecules to the destination site and then reassemble you there?
Or does it merely transport information? In other words, does it merely send the information about how to reconstruct you to the destination site and then use whatever matter is there to reconstruct you?
The difference might be in whether or not you are still considered you after transport. In the first case, it’s still all you. In the second case, however, it could be argued that the transporter actually kills the person being transported and then creates a duplicate of him/her at the destination site. I’m almost certain that that would have practical differences l’halacha.
As for replicated food, I’m pretty sure it shouldn’t be a problem. Provided that it’s not actually made out of forbidden foodstuffs, it should be no worse (halachically) than imitation shrimp.
The Wolf
It should also be pointed out that it is possible that donations were made quietly and the institution decided to give the donor recognition anyway as a way of expressing their gratitude.
The Wolf
Why do many (but B”H not all) people who give Tzedaka insist on public recognition (i.e. name the building after them, get a plaque on the wall saying they donated, an award ceremony, etc.)?
Tzedaka, like any mitzvah, should be l’shmo, and hidden.
Because not everyone is up to your level of selflessness and humility. In an ideal world, it should be as you say. Alas, this is not an ideal world.
Better that people give for recognition than not give at all.
The Wolf
Wolf – Thats exactly the question, does bitachon tell you not to have a budget?
But what is it about setting a budget that might indicate a lack of bitachon?
You didn’t ask about tying one’s shoelaces, or drinking Sprite or purchasing a lock for your steering column. What is it about budgeting, in particular, that would lead you to think that there might be some lack of bitachon on the part of those doing it?
The Wolf
I’m confused. Why would you (or anyone) think that acting responsibly regarding spending might indicate a lack of bitachon?
The Wolf
Koh Asu Chachameinu — in English titled “Our Sages Showed The Way.” I can’t remember the author’s name off the top of my head.
The Wolf
Find a new job.
Seriously, if he’s not able/willing to pay you your present salary (never mind any promised raises), then it’s time to get a new job. Immediately.
The Wolf
I’d offer advice and words of comfort, but it seems that every time I try to say “judge the person and not his/her family/circumstances/etc.” I get shouted down.
The Wolf
It sounds strange to me too, but hey… as long as you’re not going to insist that I have to do it too, go ahead. It doesn’t bother me if you insist on inviting your kallah to your wedding.
The Wolf
even in the times of the first Bais Hamikdash (during Shlomo Hamleches reign), did the Jews pray for Moshiach?
I would have thought that being in exile would be a prerequisite for Moshiach (whose prime missions is the ingathering of the exiles). However, there is a Gemara in Sanhedrin which states that HKBH wanted to make Chizkiyahu Moshiach.
Although, I believe that it was during Chizkiyahu’s reign that the Ten Tribes were exiled, so perhaps once that happened it was possible for Chizkiyahu to be Moshiach…
The Wolf
Can you give us some indication as to why you’re considering leaving?
The Wolf
For those of us who don’t normally read the Yated, can you please summarize the points made in the articles?
Thanks,
The Wolf
Wolf – Look back at my OP where i wrote assur meikur hadin, where I was refering to these cases, sorry I didn’t state hefsek.
OK, so then my answer still stands:
On the levels of disrespect for davening and hefsek, it makes no difference whether one whispers or talks. On the level of disturbing others, whispering is not as bad as outright talking.
The Wolf
Look how many play basketball today in camps and Yeshivos.
Really, that’s the biggest problem with our youth today according to you — that they play basketball??!! What next? Will you also forbid the eating of fried chicken because “kushim” eat it too?
The bottom line is that there is nothing at all wrong with wearing hoods. If some schools want to make that a requirement, that’s up to them, but it in no way affects anyone who is not a student at those schools.
The Wolf
Wolf – Another problem is a hefsek.
During certain parts of davening, that’s true. During others it’s not.
If it will make you feel any better, then I will amend my answer to state that on one level it’s worse and on two levels it’s not.
The Wolf
Talking during davening or laining is wrong on two different levels:
1. It’s disturbing to other daveners.
2. It’s disrespectful to the davening and the One to whom we are davening.
On the first level, whispering is not as bad as outright talking, since it’s less disturbing. On the second level, it is just as bad.
The Wolf
A good number of people in my family know who I am.
The Wolf
As a member of the “JBlogosphere” I thank you for lumping us all together. Shall I now lump you together with other corrupt people who are otherwise called “frum” or “Orthodox?”
In other words, if you have problems with specific people and their views (including mine), by all means, speak up — but don’t lump the “JBlogosphere” together as if we’re one monolithic group. We’re no more monolithic than frum Jewry as a whole is.
The Wolf
People who are from the yeshiva world (not the website) refer to other frum yidden as Reb, indiscrimantely.
And yet, I know plenty of people in the yeshiva world who have *never* called me “Reb Wolf.” Oh, right… according to you, they’re either not frum or not really “yeshivish.”
The Wolf
Cmon Wolf.. Wer talkin about Shani, Shevy, and Chaim Yankel bein all chummy chummy..
From your post, it sounded like you were talking about a woman talking to her female friends. If I misunderstood you, I apologize.
The Wolf
Does your daughter’s school enforce a prohibition on loud clothing?
I fail to see what that has to do with hoods. But, nonetheless, to answer your question, the answer is yes.
The Wolf
Fortunately, my daughter’s school has no such restriction. I trust that they have good reasons too.
The Wolf
Frum English speakers will refer to any Yid as Reb.
Then I guess I’m not frum since I don’t refer to people as “Reb…”
The Wolf
Whether or not you want that honor, it is your honor nonetheless.
Even if you’re correct (and I’m not granting that you are), as per the Gemara in the first chapter of Kiddushin, I am 100% allowed to be mochel on that honor (unless I am a king — which I am not).
The Wolf
I also find it less than amusing how it’s okay to have a sensitivity about what to call one’s wife in public (see the “wife’s name” thread), but if I’m sensitive to what, I, myself am called, I get a “lighten up, dude” and backhanded comments questioning whether or not I disdain things Judaic.
The Wolf
I think it is correct to use some kind of title when talking with ur friends so as a reminder that ur not all chummy chummys
Is there anything wrong with being “chummy chummy” with your friends (especially of the same gender) that you should use titles as opposed to their names?
The Wolf
he will let us know but i think wolf was probably under the impression that reb was some sort of honorific, indicating a higher status, and not merely the equivalent of mr
I’m not only under the impression, but it is my belief. It has the same root as “Rav” which indicates greatness. When I earn it, I will be more than willing to allow myself to be called by that (or any other) honorific.
You may choose to disagree, but I cannot help but look at the root of the title and discern from there whether it applies to me or not. The fact that some people may cheapen it by applying it to everyone is not an excuse to further cheapen it.
The Wolf
You never objected to being called Mr. Wolf. Is it only the Jewish stuff that you object to?
I object to rudeness. I don’t think it’s too much trouble to address me as I want to be addressed and to not have people *purposely* address me as I don’t want to be addressed.
The Wolf
Just because you don’t like to be called Reb doesn’t mean that you are not supposed to have that honorific.
If the honorific has some specific meaning (i.e. some accomplishment) then please define it so that I can determine if I’ve earned it or not.
If the honorific is meaningless, then I don’t want it anyway.
The Wolf
Why do you protest Reb Wolf?
I think it is rudeness in the extreme to take someone’s request not to do something and *immediately* throw it back in their face.
The Wolf
Heck, I got married at 21 and there are those who will tell me that I am sinful for having waited so long.
The Wolf
Reb is for anyone
Not for me. If anyone calls me anything more respectful than “mister,” I protest (until, and if, of course, I earn those other titles).
The Wolf
but you probably know what i’m talking about)
No, we don’t. Can you give an example of how it’s used in a word (even if in another language)?
The Wolf
Actually, I’m from Krypton.
My condolences on the loss of your homeworld.
The Wolf
However, I have heard it said that it is impossible that intelligent beings capable of moral judgement inhabit other planets as this would cause difficulty with the principle of there being only 1 Torah.
In what way?
The Wolf
Aren’t Orthodox Jews and Ferengi two of a kind?
As you are, obviously, aware, I pointed out commonalities between Orthodox Jews and the Ferengi. But because there are commonalities does not mean that they are, in fact, one and the same.
Of course, I also shouldn’t need to remind you that Star Trek is fiction.
The Wolf