WolfishMusings

“Why do you stay in prison when the door is wide open? “

The Wolf

That group numbers less than 30 men, from a city of 100,000 people.

I did not dispute that.

Secondly, if that’s the issue, I’ve addressed the legalities of the protesters here: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-best-response-to-the-rbs-terror (Read all my comments there.)

I’ll read it when I have the chance.

Thirdly, you should be more bothered by what is being protested than by the protesters, considering that from a secular law perspective both dressing immodestly and protesting that is both legal, yet from a halachic perspective both aren’t legal.

There are ways to properly protest and there are ways to not properly protest. Yelling “slut” and “whore” at little girls is not the proper way.

But you know what? I guess it doesn’t matter what I say. After all, if you want to question whether or not there was a spitter, why not go all the way and question whether there is even a school there and whether there are people yelling? After all, what can I say? I didn’t personally see them from seven thousand miles away, so perhaps I don’t know what I’m talking about since I’m just a dumb apikorsish non-Chreidi American idiot who doesn’t know “bein y’mino l’smolo” and doesn’t deserve to even share the same universe with normal human beings, let alone those who are staunchly defending the honor of the Torah.

The Wolf

I wear a black yarmulke.

However, since it’s knit, that probably doesn’t count according to some shittos. So I guess, ultimately, you could say that I walk around and daven bareheaded.

Just another sign of the wickedness and evil that is me.

The Wolf

The truth of the matter is that the spitter is the least of the problems.

The problem is whole groups of grown men who go down to a school of young girls to yell at them, calling them “prutzah” and “zonah.”

The problem is a group of grown men who believe that it’s proper to hang around a school inspecting the legs of little girls for stockings rather than to remain in the beis midrash where they belong.

The problem is a group of grown men who feel that somehow yelling “prutzah” and “zonah” at people (and little children!!) is the best way to get people to dress in the style they want, rather than trying the approach of Aharon who was an Oheiv Shalom v’Rodef Shalom.

The problem is a group of men who seem to think that they can move into a mixed neighborhood with a history of harmonious living and try to force everyone to things *thier* way.

Those are the real issues. The spitter is just the straw that broke the camel’s back. And if, for the sake of argument, he never existed, that doesn’t change the real problems here, which are very real.

The Wolf

Knowing well the chareidi-hatred permeating the Israeli media, we know from very many past experiences that the media can manafacture lies against chareidim from cloth.

Next up: How do we know there was a girl? “She’s” really a 35 year old man with dwarfism in a disguise paid by the media to make chareidim look bad.

After that: Who says there are really people protesting at the school? It’s really a bunch of actors hired by the chareidi-hating media to make chareidim look bad.

After that: How do we know that there is even a non-chareidi school there? I think that the media set up the whole operation (including bussing in chiloni kids day after day for months, hiring actors to play teachers, parents, etc.) to make chareidim look bad.

The next step: Who says that there are even non-chareidim living in Beit Shemesh at all? The “chareidi-hating media” rented all those houses, brought in a bunch of leftist troublemakers to make it look to the world like there is a thriving non-chareidi community, and set up the conflict years ago by starting to build a school, knowing that the chareidim were going to eventually move into the area.

The next step: How do we know that there are any non-chareidim at all in Israel? Maybe all these chilonim, dati-leumi and others are brought in from neighboring countries just to cause trouble and make the peaceful chareidim of Israel look bad?

The Wolf

It would depend on which physical virus and which computer virus.

The Wolf

Thank you, Sam2. That’s pretty much the sentiment I was trying to express, but you did it with much more eloquence.

The Wolf

Kol Haposel Chaveiro B’mumo Posel.

I guess that means that I, truly, am a doodyhead.

The (doodyhead) Wolf

whether it’s uncovering her hair in her husband’s presence, or singing for him, or dancing with him, or anything else…hakol mutar. No tznius police in the private domain of married couples.

Ah, I seem to remember that there was once one poster on these boards who made it a point to say it wasn’t “hakol mutar.” The specific example he used was mixed swimming (even in private) was forbidden.

The Wolf

I won’t respond to you until you ask EEES (your wife) her opinion about Frum women belly-dancing! Then we will discuss it.

OK, I’ve asked Eees. She has no problems with women learning belly-dancing to be used in the privacy of their homes with their husbands (if taught in an all-female class).

Now, please answer my question as you agreed. Is this a problem for you?

The Wolf

This is getting very childish, and sillier by the hour. I am waiting for someone to call someone a doodyhead and stick out their tongue.

Oh, don’t be such a doodyhead. :p 🙂

The Wolf

Straw man.

No one suggested abolishing channukah.

The Wolf

I was at a wedding once where the father of the Kalla collpased at the Mitzvah Tantz and died of a heart attack on the spot!

Felling better Cinderella???;)))

I’m confused. Did this really happen or are you just making a point?

And if it really happened, then why the smiley face at the end? That’s horrible — and I can’t imagine that someone else’s greater tragedy should make her (relatively minor) misfortune seem any better.

The Wolf

Why do they read all these old cases and then have to write papers about what happened in the past?

Google the term “legal precedent.”

In short, people learn what is relevant to them. How dentists drilled teeth 200 years ago is probably not relevant to them today*, so they don’t learn it (except, perhaps as history).

Previous court cases, however, *are* relevant today, and so they are studied.

The Wolf

* I’m assuming so, anyway. IANAD.

:: grabbing the popcorn and sits back, waiting for the show to begin ::

The Wolf

At the risk of asking a silly question…

Did you ask your Rav (or whomever you turn to for guidance)?

The Wolf

Wolf, denial is not a place in Egypt, and there should not be many wolves there anyway. The truth hurts.

There is no truth. You made an assertion (that MO rabbis decide halacha at random) and provided no evidence to that assertion. When you provide some evidence to your baseless accusation, we’ll begin to talk about whether or not I’m in denial.

In any event, apparently your mother never taught you proper manners. You see, when it’s been pointed out that something you said is hurtful, the proper response is “I’m sorry” not “denial’s not just a place in Egypt.” Heck, I’m not even MO and I was really bothered by what you said. I can only imagine what the MO people on this board must be feeling about your callous remark.

But what the heck, let’s take this all the way then. I have a hat full of piskei halacha here and I think I’ll determine what I’m going to do by just picking them at random. After all, that’s how you think the MO determine halacha anyway, right?

Well, here’s one that says that I can cook on Shabbos. Oh, well, it’s not Shabbos today, so I guess I can toss that one.

Here’s one that says that I can eat treif today. Oh, goody. It just so happens that I have a coupon for McDonalds that I can use.

Here’s another one that says that I have to shuckle precisely 73 times while davening Shmoneh Esrei this afternoon. I guess I’ll have to follow that one since I pulled it out of the hat today.

Now for the last one…

… ok, this one says I have to kill myself today as a kapparah for violating an aveirah with a chiyuv of the death penalty. Well, I guess I’m off to do that too. I have to follow it, since I pulled it out of the “random piskei halacha hat.”

The Wolf

I will not copy music illegally — whether some Rav tells me that it’s permitted or not. Period.

The Wolf

Wolf- Yes, now you’re mamesh a menuval and a mechalel shabbos: )

I fail to see what chillul Shabbos has to do with this topic.

The Wolf

My kids (all teens) will be a Channukah party with their cousins of the opposite genders as well. Yes, I know that I’m a perfect example of a menuval.

The Wolf

I was told that I am not allowed to eat my own cooking as a mechallel Shabbos.

The Wolf

What do you think about giving three names??

As I mentioned above, one of my children has three names.

The Wolf

Well, I am a mechallel Shabbos (as discussed elsewhere), but I have not been posting on Shabbos. So, it’s not me.

The Wolf