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Very interesting! So, how DOES white make someone appear more “fummer”?
*I* don’t think it does, but it seems that the people in the yeshiva world do. Ask them.
And, in your opinion, can, say, blue ever become a color to make someone appear more frummer?
No, I don’t think so. I don’t think the color of your shirt makes a difference.
The Wolf
Wolf – what does it depend on ?
Among other things, the person, his/her upbringing, his/her expectations, etc.
The Wolf
It depends on the person.
For some, beshows are better. For others, dating is.
There is no “one size fits all” answer to this question.
The Wolf (who is waiting for more_2 to ask me why I’m so bitter about this)
Wolf, why are you so bitter about it?
Who said I was bitter?
I believe that yeshivos do structure their policies to appear “frummer” and “better” than others.
This manifests itself in any number of areas including rules that apply to both students and parents, an ever-increasing workload on students, an ever-earlier approach to learning new subjects (i.e. pushing “serious school” into pre-school, staring Gemara in the fourth grade, etc.) and so on.
I’m not personally bitter about it, but I think that it is sad.
The Wolf
How come most yeshivahs only allow white shirts as a policy.???
Conformity and the need to appear “frummer” or “better” than their competition.
The Wolf
You don’t appreciate the kedusha and tehara of the Gerrer Chassidim
Why is my home any less filled with kedusha and tahara because I choose to hold hands with my wife in our home? What is it about a married couple holding hands that is so intrinsically lacking in kedusha and tahara that a Gerrer home is so much more filled with it than mine on that basis alone?
The Wolf
Yes, Mr. Berra, it is.
The Wolf
Shame of all of you!!
Aside from the fact that my very existence is shameful, why should I be shamed for this thread?
The Wolf
Silly me… I thought that a hiccup meant that your diaphragm was twitching. If I believe that, that means it’s likely to be apikorsus — so don’t believe it.
The Wolf
They are noheg to generally follow the rules of nidah even when the wife is not a nidah
Well, that’s *obviously* not true. If it were, no Gerrer couple could ever have a child.
The Wolf
No one is stopping anyone from learning Navi.
I have yet to hear of a bachur being disciplined by his yeshiva for having a Sefer Yeshaya.
The Wolf
you seem to be in that state perpetually.
Didn’t I say above that I’ve never been drunk in my entire life? If so, how can you say that I am perpetually so drunk that I don’t know the difference?
Or are you accusing me of lying?
The Wolf
147- How exactly did you eat before shachris. Its assur.
Don’t be so quick to judge. Perhaps he got up before alos and davens at an early minyan.
The Wolf
There were birthdays.
Not in the common, contemporary sense that you’re thinking of. I’d wager that in ancient times, many people did not even know exactly when their birthday was.
The Wolf
There are also no sources of Jews eating hot dogs with mustard and relish before coming to America. Does that make it UnJewish?
The Wolf
And is it ever proper to decline to give at all? (When?)
When you have no money.
The Wolf
You people are such reshaim. It is a mitzva to eat the meal–so you eat it. It doesn’t matter if you are still “hungry”, you little babies.
I ate a SECOND meal and I’m *still* a rasha — and I get called a “baby” to boot.
Man, I just can’t win.
I guess that’s what I get for being such a rotten person.
The Wolf
you drive during your seudah?
No, but often shortly afterwards. And also during the day, I have far too much driving to do to drink.
And no… I am not and have never been a member of Hatzalah (although I was, at one point, an EMT).
The Wolf
Actually, I don’t drink on Purim (far too much driving around to do) and I’m far too busy to go to sleep, so I guess I am a rasha.
The Wolf
Since I’ve posted before that I am mechallel Shabbos (albeit somewhat unwillingly), people might be tempted to think it’s me.
It’s not. My chillul Shabbos has nothing to do with posting on Shabbos.
The Wolf
Considering the fact that I’ve never been drunk in my life*, I don’t know.
The Wolf
* And yes, I know that makes me a complete and utter rasha for disregarding the mitzvah of ad d’lo yada…
I once heard a prominent Rov call it a Minhag Bal Tashchis though
Once the wine/grape juice is already spilled, how is it Ba’al Tashchis when it’s just going to get poured out anyway?
Or is he referring to the whole idea of putting out the havadallah candle with the wine/grape juice?
The Wolf
I had a different situation a number of years ago, but of a similar nature.
Before I was married, I used to lain in a shul that was located about 45 minutes from where I lived. At the time, one of the families in the area gave me a standing invitation to eat with them if it rained, so that I wouldn’t have to walk back home in the rain. My mother and sister knew that if it was raining, they should not wait for me to make kiddush and eat.
One Shabbos morning, it rained and so I ate with the family. By the time the meal was over, it was no longer raining and so I walked home. When I got there, I found out that it didn’t rain over by my mother’s house and, as such, they waited for me.
So, without giving any indication that I ate by someone else, I made kiddush and ate again (although I didn’t eat too much by the second meal) with my mother and sister.
Now, I did this even though I knew my mother would not be upset if she found out that I had eaten. If your mother or wife *would* be upset, then you should make an effort to eat anyway, or else don’t stuff yourself by the kiddush.
The Wolf
I once asked about tapes – if they need to be buried, and I was told they have no kedusha whatsoever, you can just throw them out.
But yet, you (presumably) have no objections to people listening to shiurim on them, despite their inherent lack of kedusha, no?
So, why should an electronic siddur be different?
The Wolf
1) If there was no civil law precluding it, is there any reason non-Ashkenazim couldn’t be married to two spouses?
I once attended a wedding of a friend (who was marrying a Sephardi). When they read her ketubah out loud, I noticed an interesting clause that stated that he would not take another wife without his (current) wife’s permission.
I suppose such a clause (I don’t know how widespread it is in the Sephardic world) would do the trick.
The Wolf
See Rema Even HaEzer 21:5 regarding showing physical affection in front of others.
We’ve been over this before. It’s far from clear that this is a complete across-the-board prohibition.
1. It’s mentioned as a “yesh omrim” — hardly a unanimous opinion.
2. It’s mentioned parenthetically in an off-topic discussion.
3. The example given (combing through one’s hair) is an *extremely* intimate act — far more so than simply holding hands. It’s possible that the Rema is referring only to acts of that nature.
4. I don’t think the Rema meant it to include in the privacy of one’s own home in front of one’s children.
The Wolf
Interestingly, one of the smartest people I ever knew was a woman who, before she passed away, finished Shas (Bavli) for the third time.
The Wolf
I don’t know the answer to your question, but, in the future, perhaps you could use a more helpful thread title such as “ISO animal print bags in Monsey.”
“Purim” is a rather broad topic and, by my guess, very few people here will have the answer to your question. To save the rest of us time, perhaps next time use a better thread title.
Thanks,
The Wolf
I wonder if the same question was asked about cars at one point.
And airplanes — “does it pas for a ben Torah to be flung through the air at hundreds of miles per hour?”
The Wolf
The law of the land would permit making a copy, as long as its not for commercial purposes.
I have complained to people who use my pictures without permission/attribution — even on non-commercial sites — and gotten them to remove the pictures.
The Wolf
Naysberg joined as a member in the CR only 2 weeks ago.
That’s true… but the person who made the correction to my statement was “nitpicker” not “Naysberg…” and nitpicker has been here for three years. 🙂
The Wolf
Wolf, did you honestly know that a “tom” was a male cat before googling it?? Don’t tell me you knew, cause I won’t believe you;P
Of course I knew. I’m surprised you’re not aware of it. “Tom cat” is not an uncommon term.
Whether you choose to believe me or not is of no consequence. If you want to call me a liar, go ahead.
The Wolf
A pet store?
The Wolf
(Seriously, what is a “tom” — besides a male cat?)
For example, suppose you had the siddur your grandmother cried tears on all the years she was alive.
Don’t you think davening from such a siddur is better than an electronic device?
It’s probably also better than using a new siddur too. So, what’s the point? The only reason that the siddur (in your case) is special, is because it has sentimental value *to you*. I have no attachment to the siddur your grandmother used.
However, based on your argument, I should only daven from sidduring in which I have an emotional attachment and not any old siddur “off the shelf.”
In fact, the siddur I use was one I bought new in my teens. I still use it today because about 17 years ago, my son got a hold of it and scribbled on some of the pages. Now, whenever I use it, I have a very visible reminder of what I need to daven for. However, according to your theory, I should not have this because when I bought the siddur it was new and did not have the emotional attachment equating to one that my grandmother cried in.
Holding an expensive device is not in the spirit of how one should supplicate themselves while davening.
It’s kind of like, I look cool davening like this.
Back in the days when siddurim were only available as handwritten manuscripts, I suppose the same could have been said then.
The device is also used to play games. So you are using a device used for hollelus and kalus rosh to daven from
And suppose you don’t use it for games?
The Wolf (who is *sure* that someone’s going to tell him that he’s disrespecting HKBH by using a siddur with a child’s scribbles in it.)
Without the need for specific examples, how do you judge where the line should be drawn ?
It probably depends on the couple and their children. I don’t think there is a “hard line” that works for *everyone*. For us, hugging and kissing seem to work out fine. For others, it may not — and they should act accordingly.
The Wolf
I can hear a parent saying, “I don’t want my kid’s friends to do things that will negatively affect them, in turn affecting my kids.”
If so, ain l’davar sof.
Should I campaign to have a kid kicked out of school because they have a non-frum cousin whom they see at family gatherings because “they might influence my kid’s classmates…*” Or their next-door neighbors? Or their summer camp bunkmates?
The point is that you can’t control everything that influences your kids (much less things that influence other people’s kids). Saying “other people’s kids shouldn’t do X because it might influence my kids” is a fool’s errand.
The Wolf
* True story from personal experience: I grew up not frum (I know… big shocker there!). As a part of her process of divorcing from my father, my mother became frum when I was about 9 years old. I became frum with her.
When looking for a yeshiva for me to enroll me in, one school said that they’d be willing to accept me if she completely cut me off from my father (who remained not frum). She turned them down flat.
How can mamzeirim marry out-of-towners??
They can’t. The point is that they were married to people who didn’t know their status.
I always wonder how many people in the world today are mamzeirim and don’t know it either because their ancestor’s infidelity was never discovered (and, please, don’t insult my intelligence by telling me it never happens)or publicized, or because they quietly moved to another country and didn’t tell anyone their status.
The Wolf
Wolf – the way you wrote that, it just means that he saw the situation as ironic, not that he condoned showing affection. If he did indeed say that he thinks its ok, did he specifically take it as far as your examples ?
No, he 100% condoned a man and his wife showing affection in front of their kids.
We did not discuss the specific parameters (i.e. is a hug too far?).
The Wolf
You left out : Born of a forbidden union that is punishable by death.
Death and Kares are not includive.
My understanding (and, if I’m wrong, please correct me) is that for *any* forbidden union where the death penalty is mandated, the punishment becomes kares if the deed is done without proper warning and/or witnesses.
The Wolf
I think the OP said one kid read it her parents wanted it banned from everyone else.
That was the *exact* point of my complaint. If they want to stop their own daughters from reading it, that’s their decision as a parent. It’s NOT up to them, however, to decide what *my* daughter can and cannot read.
The Wolf
those are only two ways. your number two is simply an example of your number three.
It took you over a year to come up with that? 🙂
In any event, when most people hear “forbidden union punishable by kares” they usually think of incest, not adultery. So, technically, I suppose you’re correct, but nonetheless, I stand by my statement.
The Wolf
If you’re not sure and you don’t trust your own judgement, then ask your spiritual adviser. Please don’t decide what to do on the basis of a majority vote of (largely) anonymous Internet posters.
The Wolf
Really? An app as awesome as this one promises to be comes along and the main thing you can say about it is the choice of music at the start of the ad?
The first thing I thought of was “wow.” The next thing I thought of was “…just wow.” I *did* think about the music at some point, but it was just a minor after-thought.
The Wolf
I remember R. Yaakov Horowitz telling me one day that it was quite amazing how many couples seem to feel that it’s okay for the kids to see them fight, but not okay to see them being nice (and even affectionate) to each other.
That being said, Eeees and I have always shown affection for each other in front of our kids — and yes, this includes hand-holding, using affectionate terminology (i.e. “dear,” “honey,”), hugging and even kissing.
The Wolf
The thing is that on FB, all those who are “friends” in the Facebook sense are not necessarily “friends” in the sense of a friendship the way we would think of one outside of Facebook. Therefore, the jealousy issue is a real one.
Then you either need to pick your Facebook friends better, or restrict your posts to those who you feel will be genuinely happy for you by creating sublists of friends*.
The Wolf
* I have multiple “sublists” of friends for various purposes and often restrict access to FB postings to various sublists based on the content of the post.
The question is, should you say “WolfishMusings” or “The Wolf?”
When I read it, should I say either of the above or just “me.”
The Wolf
You misunderstood my point.
My point wasn’t that 4 out of 5 was an exaggeration — my point is that it’s possible that it was an approximation. It’s just as likely that 79.88% or 80.11% died.
As such, I could conceivably not be a Mitzri and yet not be worthy enough to fall into to “80%.”
The Wolf
I disagree. I believe it’s possible to be “jealous” of your friend’s good fortune in the respect of “I wish I had similar fortune” and not in “I wish he didn’t have it.”
If you disagree with me on that, then we simply have to agree to disagree.
The Wolf
Wolf: Mathematics disagree with you– unless you’re a closet Mitzri.
Not unless you’re talking about estimates. Or do you think that *precisely* 4 out of every 5 people died (are you even sure that the number of Jews then was evenly divisible by 5?)
By the same logic, I could be a lone individual and still be not up to the 80%.
The Wolf
WolfishMusings: I commend your bravery and honesty.
Thank you for the kind words, but nothing I do is ever commendable.
The Wolf