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WM: So what? Poskim disagree on things across the spectrum. For those that follow those poskim, obviously their wives shouldn’t wear such a covering. For those that follow the poskim I referred to earlier, they should.
You missed my point. The point was that there are legitimate poskim who hold that you obviously *can* go too far with tznius. Of course, if any of them knew that a disgusting menuval like me was speaking about their opinions, they would probably feel the need to cleanse themselves immediately, but that doesn’t detract from my point.
The Wolf
The Wolf, I’m not sure if you cast aspersion on yourself as a joke or not,
No joke. I say these things because they are true. I am a disgusting waste of a human being and when the revolution (i.e. Moshiach) comes, it’ll be wicked apikorsim like me who are the first ones lined up against the wall and shot.
The Wolf
Apparently choppy doesn’t want to take care of this moser. Anyone else want to?
The Wolf
Wolf:
Think about the Gra’s statement that he would have walked across Europe to meet Ramchal. If Ramchal had given him advice, do you think he would have taken it? I would think so. So it’s not necessarily just a chassidic thing. If you had stood in line to get the Chazon Ish’s blessing and he gave you advice, wouldn’t you do what he said?
Is R. Yaakov Emden a big enough tzaddik that if he says something is meritorious that I can do it?
The Wolf
WM: There’s nothing wrong with being an advocate of burquas. There are valid opinions halacha l’maaisa
And yet, there are poskim who hold that the modern-day phenomenon of burquas is wrong. Does that not indicate that, according to those poskim, you *can* take tznius too far? Or am I simply too stupid and too much of an apikorus to possibly begin to understand the issues involved? I highly suspect the latter.
The Wolf
Saying “tznius gone too far”, r’l, is akin to saying “kashrus gone too far” or “chesed gone too far”. No such thing.
So, I suppose you’re an advocate of burquas then?
The Wolf
But when a great tzaddik says to do something, and you follow that tzaddik, you can and should do it.
Can I rely on you for that? I should really do something because a tzaddik says it’s a good idea or meritorious to do so?
The Wolf
If someone chose not to attend the Siyim for whatever reason, is that a reason for their workmates to badger them afterwords about it, and embarras them publicly?
Of course it’s not a reason. Embarrassing someone publicly is forbidden.
The Wolf
Wolf, new balance?
As a matter of fact, yes.
The Wolf
I sued to sit at the other head of the table
You went to court over this? And does a court even have jurisdiction over this? 🙂
The Wolf
..You’re online, you’re connection is probably working.
..You know (some) English
..You’re smiling!!!
Two out of three ain’t bad.
The Wolf
There is a deah in the Rishonim that the pig is named chazir because it will revert to being kosher (chozer ltohorso) in future times, so 50 years, maybe. tzipisah l’yeshua?
Whenever anyone mentions this, I am reminded of Harry Turtledove’s short story “The R-Strain.”
The Wolf
Before I was married, I had a job laining in a shul that was a 45 minute walk away from my house. A family in the neighborhood of the shul gave me an open invitation to eat by them when it was raining, so that I shouldn’t have to walk back home in the rain. And yes, they had teenage daughters (one of whom was my sister’s best friend).
I’m sure that there are those on these boards who will say that this kind family was participating in the worst kind of aveira by having a single guy over while their single daughters were there. Suffice it to say that I disagree with them.
The Wolf
I’m sorry if I offended you with the comment.
Apology accepted.
As a general rule, I *only* use terms such as Nazi or Hitler if I am, in fact, talking about Nazis or Hitler.
The Wolf
Yes, fear in the same sense one is to fear their father or, lehavidl, Hashem. Rambam and many many meforshim say this. See the other thread where the sources are quoted to a great extent.
Then I guess that in addition to being a horrible person, I am a rotten parent who has abused his kids because he did not make them afraid of him. Further proof that I am an apikores and a waste of human DNA. A dog is better than I am — at least a dog knows how to properly take care of it’s pups, as opposed to me who just messes them up further and further with every passing day.
The Wolf
Undoubtedly, we all eat food that contains atoms that were once part of something unkosher.
The Wolf
choppy (or whatever you call yourself these days),
My email address is well known. Send me an email and I’ll be more than happy to make myself available to you for Torah-justice.
The Wolf
Wolf: Why do you fail to mention the most relevant fact that your mother was the only parent figure at the table?
It didn’t seem like it would be relevant to the OP.
And, in the end, what does it matter? The fact is that she did sit at the head of the table. And, for a number of years, she also made kiddush/hamotzi and havdala for us.
The Wolf
If it is a Yid, make sure you got to Beis Din. Taking a Yid to arkoyos (goyish court) is a massive aveira. (I think the halacha would even allow someone to kill someone who did that.)
You are then, hereby, invited to come and kill me. I once called the cops on a Jew (well, his car, specifically) without asking permission from a Rav or a Bais Din.
The Wolf
The fact that I was born.
The Wolf
What difference does it make? Will your life be any different if I say one or a thousand or any number in between? Will anyone’s life be any different? Will it change anyone’s opinion on vegetarianism/veganism for the better or the worse? Or are you merely conducting a statistical survey to find out how mnay v/v the average Orthodox Jew knows?
The Wolf
I didn’t have a ??? ????. Just another sign of the miserable waste of DNA that I am.
The Wolf
Does anyone know any psukim or chazal Bout doing chesed with your body or with your entire body?
Why would Chazal engage in physical combat over a pasuk regarding chesed?
The Wolf
My Shabbos shoes are my only shoes.
During the week, I wear black sneakers.
The Wolf
My mother sat at the head of our Shabbos table for twelve years.
-42, let me guess…. Hitler sat at the head of his table too, right?
The Wolf
Kimchis’s seven sons all died…
Well, of course they did. They were born over 2000 years ago.
The Wolf
42’s point was that even if someone is smart, does not mean that what they are doing is correct or justified.
I acknowledged the fact that he could have made the point that she wasn’t correct. My issue with him wasn’t the fact that he didn’t agree with me. My issue was the gratuitous comparison to the most evil person the world has seen in at least the last five hundred years, if not more.
I’m sorry if you can’t see that.
The Wolf
If you were going to get a bracha from a famous gadol
If I was going to receive a bracha from a famous gadol, I’d probably put on my best suit. Does that mean I’m obligated to wear it all the time? Or that I even should?
The Wolf
Hitler was a pretty smart person too…
That, IMHO, is pretty low and beneath you. To compare any Jew who learns Torah to Hitler?
I’m really disappointed in you -42. That was mean and uncalled for. If you wanted to argue that she was wrong, there are far better ways to do it than with a comparison to Hitler.
I know I didn’t state it here, but this person was a major influence in my life and a large part of the reason that I am frum today. While there is no way you could have known that, I am still deeply hurt by your comment and comparison.
Next time, please reconsider before you start throwing around the “well, so was Hitler” line.
The Wolf
How do others feel about married women learning Daf Yomi for this purpose and have others “discovered” this amazing “mehalech”?
You’ll find some here that say that it’s wonderful and others that say it’s absolutely forbidden.
Personally, I knew a woman who made a siyum on Shas three times in her life. She was one of the smartest people I knew in life.
The Wolf
you are insulting other jews, and right after tisha b’av
You’re right. My apologies to everyone I’ve insulted with my remarks in this thread. I’ll try to avoid insulting people in the future.
The Wolf
A tallis is not an object of kedusha like WolfishMusing says.
Perhaps I was unclear. The point of my statement wasn’t whether or not a tallis is a holy object, but rather whether the average Reform Jew attending services at the Temple perceives it to be — and I believe they do based on personal experiences.
The Wolf
Curiousity,
No, it wasn’t the use of the word “Temple.” I have no problem with that.
I guess the Reform Jews I know are “frummer” than the ones you know. Most Reform Jews that I know understand that a tallis is an object of holiness (even if it does not meet halachic standards) and understand that such an object does not belong in a bathroom.
The Wolf
and probably wear them into the bathroom when going to temple
This I know to be false.
Really, why the need for the gratuitous insult?
The Wolf
(And in case you need clarification, yes, I was/am joking)
Why would you joke about this?
The Wolf
Can a wife be given the sotah warning today?
You can, but doing so will only cause problems.
In short, if a person’s wife is secluded with another man, she does not become forbidden to her husband. However, if she was forewarned not to do so and she is secluded with that man, she becomes forbidden to her husband (whether or not she actually did anything with him) until she is given the sotah-test. Since the test is not done nowadays, she simply becomes forbidden to him and the marriage is over.
I know we can’t give her the drink today, but with the warning she would still lose her kesuba if she violated the warning.
I don’t know the answer to this one. For example, if he decided he didn’t want to submit her to the test (for whatever reason), she keeps the kesubah. If she refuses to drink, she loses it. Here, it is neither him nor her who causes the test to not be done and, therefore, end the marriage. My *guess* would be that she does lose the kesubah, but I can’t state that I know that for a fact without doing further research.
The Wolf
I hope they dunk them in the mikvah 613 times to purify them your tumah after you touched them.
To my knowledge, there is nothing that says that a sefer touched by anyone under any circumstances becomes passul for use and required purification in the mikvah or by any other method.
If you have a source to the contrary, please advise.
The Wolf
Missionaries know there are jews who can wipe the floor with them, its why you never see them in front of BMG or any other yeshiva.
Oh, please. When the missionary quotes Isaiah 53, 95 out of 100 yeshiva bochrim won’t have the foggiest idea what the perek contains. Likewise, when they mention the “bris chadasha,” the 97 out of 100 won’t know what sefer/perek it comes from. When they mention how Psalms 22 references Jesus, the average yeshiva bochur would be completely lost.
In short, the average yeshiva bochur would be totally lost. They wouldn’t wipe the floor with said missionary, because they couldn’t even respond. They don’t know the Nach and, in most cases, have never even learned it. Likewise, when the yeshiva bochur starts quoting gemaras and other sources for proofs, the missionaries will either be just as befuddled or else dismiss the argument out of hand as a rabbinic invention.
In short, no one could win the argument because there can be no rational argument. In more than 99 out of 100 cases, there is nothing the missionary could say that would cause the yeshiva bochur to accept Christianity. Likewise, in the same 99+ cases out of 100, there is nothing the yeshiva bochur could say that would cause the missionary to abandon his belief in Jesus. Proofs from either side, no matter how convincing, will just be dismissed. Hence, it’s not really an argument, but a war of attrition — who can wear down the other party long enough so that they go away.
*That’s* why you rarely, if ever, see missionaries hanging around yeshivos and such. Not because the yeshiva bochur can beat them in an argument, but rather because the missionaries know it’s an exercise in futility and that there are much easier people to convince elsewhere.
The Wolf
There are 2.58 children in my family. We also have 1.3 automobiles – and since I’m the .58, I get the .3 car all to myself. ^_^
At least credit Norton Juster when you use his material.
The Wolf
illness
Isn’t a wife allowed to ask for a divorce if her husband is afflicted with certain aliments (mukas sh’chin, for example)?
The Wolf
(I’m not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with your overall point, just nitpicking on this one part of your statement.)
Just out of curiosity, is the child of two mamzerim a mamzer? I remember a teacher saying he/she is not and being very confused. Isn’t it hereditary?
See my post above, to wit:
In general, there are only three ways for a person to become a mamzer:
1. Be born of a father or mother who is a mamzer(ess)
2. Be born of a union between a married woman and another man.
3. Be born of a forbidden union which is punishable by kares (with the exception of a man and his wife who is a nidda).
Yes, I suppose I might have been unclear and you could have read the “or” in the first condition as an exclusive or. It is not. My apologies for being unclear on the matter. The “or” in the first condition is not exclusive.
The Wolf
Reb Leib Gurwicz z”l said if you are on seforim tidy-up roster and you’re going round the beis hamedrash collecting seforim to put them away then you do not need to be makpid on the order the seforim are in. Otherwise you would have to be.
And, once again, I’m in the wrong.
There are times I clear the sefarim in the shul I’m in and will stack them in any order for the sake of convenience. However, since I am not on the clean-up roster for this shul (I’m not even a member), I, once again, have failed to uphold the mitzvos, since the exemption only applies for those who are on the clean-up roster.
The Wolf
HaRav Falk shlit”a IS one of the Gedolim today.
Who decides who is a “gadol” or not?
The Wolf
usually I apologize
Yes they end in divorce google Rabbi Salmon shidduch method.
So, it’s your contention that the vast majority of weddings that don’t use Shadchanim end in divorce??
The Wolf
all the marriages that don’t use the shidduch jewish method usually fail-Rabbi yaakov Salomon
All or usually — which is it?
And how do you define “fail?” End in divorce?
The Wolf
Now you see why I hate this dor.
That’s okay. We don’t hate you back.
The Wolf
Unless you are supremely confident you give enough tzedaka, you should welcome unsolicited opportunities to give tzedaka.
Why? Why are they better than the organizations on my “stand-by” list that I should give preferential treatment to them?
The argument is not whether or not I give enough tzedaka. The argument is whether I need to be bothered by unsolicited calls when I already have tzedakas waiting on a list. So far, you have failed to show why I should be bothered with such calls when I have plenty of other opportunities for tzedaka. Unless your contention is that the organizations on my list don’t save from death, I don’t see why it makes a difference that I give to the ones on my list rather than the ones who disturb me with unsolicited calls. So far, you have failed to show why I have to give to the unsolicited callers over the organizations that I want to give to.
The Wolf
WolfishMusings: What gives you so much confidence that you do enough?
What does that have to do with unsolicited donations? As I mentioned above, I have a list of charities to contribute to if I receive an unexpected windfall. So why do you seem to think I still need to give to unsolicited callers? If I have extra money (or feel the need to give extra charity), I’ll give it to the organizations on that list, not to unsolicited callers. You yourself agreed that that saves me, so what is your problem with my actions?
The Wolf
My contention is that giving tzedaka unsolicited or solicited or giving tzedaka to an unsolicited request all save you from death.
Then I am already saved through my regular giving and do not need to give to unsolicited callers.
The Wolf
They derogatorily refer to these people who give them so many golden opportunities to get the mitzvah rabba of giving tzedaka and saving themselves from death and negative decrees as “schnorers”.
I said no such thing.
The only reasonable conclusion one can come to, is that these type of people don’t want to interrupt their busy lives of movies, entertainment and vacations to spare an “unnecessary” expense for the needy.
Or, perhaps, that our tzedaka budgets are already allocated and that we even have “waiting lists” of other tzedakas to give to.
Or is it your contention that only unsolicited tzedaka opportunities save one from death?
The Wolf