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You are fully aware that neither the OP nor subsequent posters were talking about a spouse (or certain other relatives).
Fair enough… but I’m curious why you chose to quote my “For heaven’s sake” from the other thread. I didn’t say it here.
The Wolf
That being said, people should not being addressing members of the opposite gender altogether unless absolutely essential.
I’ll remember that the next time I need Eees for something that is not absolutely essential.
The Wolf
Oh, for heaven’s sake.
Look, I’m a huge romantic. People on these boards have bashed me for that, but that’s who I am. And, even so, I don’t celebrate Valentine’s Day, largely because of it’s Christian origin.
On the other hand, the day is, for all practical purposes, no longer really a Christian holiday in any meaningful sense of the word. As a result, I would say that those who do are certainly not engaging in avoda zara in any manner, shape or form.
Do I think it’s better if they don’t celebrate the day? Yes, I do. But should that cause them to be excluded from a minyan? Please. Let’s put it this way — there are plenty of other people I would exclude before I exclude someone who celebrates Valentine’s Day.
The Wolf
I dont think a lefty can write safrus.
I don’t believe that to be the case (although, I admit, I could be wrong). Do you have a source for that?
The Wolf
just wondering if its permitted
What would be your reasoning for saying that it’s not?
The Wolf
Any explanations would be greatly appreciated.
Yes… it’s very simple. HKBH hears your tefillos without any help and regardless of the direction you face.
The Wolf
According to the shittas that one is required to get drunk, k’peshuto as various shittos say is halacha l’maaisa on Purim, it would appear the chiyuv starts on the first Purim following one’s Bar Mitzvah.
No thirteen year olds are getting drunk in my house. If that’s a problem, I’ll take responsibility for it.
The Wolf
Wolf: Do you think the bochor mesmerized the photo and will do a mental comparison between the resume photo and the girl when he’s dating her?
If she’s been Photoshopped to the extreme that you mention (75 pounds lighter), then yes, he’ll notice.
If it’s subtle and not very noticeable, then again, I ask… how it is any different than wearing makeup on a date?
The Wolf
It’s Chukas Akum to have a Superbowl party!
Why is a Superbowl party chukas akum, but wearing a necktie isn’t?
The Wolf
What does the word Superbowl mean to people today?
To me, it means that pitchers and catchers report soon.
not all but Thousands of yidden would not miss it for any price R”L even if it meant missing something more important as a family event. thats called avoda zara, bowing down to the superbowl like a g-d
That’s your defintion of Avoda Zara? Something that causes you to miss an important family event?
My aunt and uncle missed my vort because on the day it happened, they were off in Louisiana adopting a little girl who was just born. If it had happened on the day of my wedding, the day of my grandparents’ 50th wedding anniversary, or pretty much any other event, they would have skipped it and gone to get the baby girl. Does that make her an Avoda Zara?
The Wolf
even turning the SUPERBOWL to the level of Avoda zara?
Please. No one worships the Superbowl.
You may feel that the level of infatuation with sports is wrong, but when you call it an “Avoda Zara,” you lose all credibility.
If you want to make your point, do it with facts and reason, not hyperbole, exaggeration and scare-mongering.
The Wolf
Define “and the like.” Clearly the OP is not *only* referring to drinking parties, but to other social engagements as well.
The Wolf
Does makeup also make her look 75 pounds less, a lighter shade hair color, a bit taller and no pimples or wrinkles?
As with anything, you can go too far with Photoshop (and with makeup as well).
As a non-professional but serious photographer, I don’t find a problem with moderate touching up of a photo to enhance the image of a person.
If you’re going to so radically alter the person (such as take off 75 pounds), then what’s the point? All that’s going to happen is that the date will feel betrayed upon actually seeing the person and realize that they can’t trust them at all and end the relationship right there. So what would be the point of it?
The Wolf
Did someone say it was?
See the OP.
I understand oneg Shabbos but doesn’t this carry things too far?
The Wolf
People should be aware of the new and now pervasive phenominon of people in shidduchim giving photoshoped pictures making themselves look much better on their shidduch resume.
Please explain how using Photoshop to enhance an image is any different than wearing makeup.
The Wolf
I have heard of frum people getting together on Shabbos for drinking parties and the like.
I sometimes get together with my sister on Shabbos. True, neither of us (nor our spouses) are drinkers. I didn’t realize that this was a problem.
The Wolf
People treat non-gebrovhts as halachs; I’ve been told I’m making use of a kulah.
Heck, I’ve had people tell me that by eating g’brokets, I’m actually eating chametz on Pesach.
The Wolf
yes minhag yisroel torah . Tosfos t Menachos 20b
It’s a nice saying, but it doesn’t mean that minhag trumps halacha, since it most certainly does not.
The Wolf
WM a video retraction is the only way
Why?
I think the most appropriate retraction would be in the very same forum.
Honestly I do not know if Halacha gemura and you are mechalel Shabbos. The whole halacha of vedaber dovor is not like the other 39 Melochos its a halocho that shabbos we do not talk about money how much something costs or something assur to do on shabbos and so on.
Really? You’re comparing discussing business to saying “good night?!” You think those are both equal in terms of violating the spirit of Shabbos?
So if chacomim said that shabbos is a day unique how we greet each other is important.
I didn’t dispute that.
It is just very interesting that it was always said that in BP on the street nobody says gut shabbos but FB and other communities they do even to the opposite vechulu.
I have no idea what you mean by this or why it’s relevant.
But at home they forget about Shabbos good morning good night. SHabbos should be in our bones you should feel shabbos the learning the eating the talking the lounging sleeping should be on a lofty level shabbos is shabbos
I fail to see how saying “good night” to someone is forgetting Shabbos. If I’m laying in bed on Friday night and before I drift off to sleep I say “good night” to Eees, I fail to see how that is disrespectful to Shabbos at all, let alone a “SHANDA.”
The Wolf
I had two dogs growing up, and, were it not for allergies among members of my family, we would certainly have one today.
The Wolf
Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a chemical. It’s also natural.
Every year it causes deaths due to accidental inhalation, even in small quantities.
It’s a major part of acid rain.
It causes contamination of electrical circuits
It’s found in biopsies of cancerous tumors
Can cause the corrosion and oxidation of metals
Responsible for billions of dollars of property damage every year
A fact I found on another website states:
A recent stunning revelation is that in every single instance of violence in our country’s schools, including infamous shootings in high schools in Denver and Arkansas, Dihydrogen Monoxide was involved. In fact, DHMO is often very available to students of all ages within the assumed safe confines of school buildings. None of the school administrators with which we spoke could say for certain how much of the substance is in use within their very hallways.
The Wolf
Lo yihei deburcha beshabbos kidiburcha bechol
… and how far does that go? If I ask Eeees to pass me the salt during the week, can I no longer do so on Shabbos using those exact same words? Am I not allowed to tell her “I love you” because I do so during the week? Should I not call my kids to the table by name, since I do that during the week too?
you do not have to like it that is the halacha shabbos is lo yom vlo layla its SHABBOS
It’s not a halacha. It’s brought down in M”B that the Shelah says that he received a tradition this way. In other words, it’s nice and a good thing to do, but certainly not halacha to the point where one who does not do so is a machallel Shabbos.
If you can show me where it’s an actual halacha where it says it’s absolutely forbidden to do so, I’ll consider a retraction.
The Wolf
Do you greet them only on Shabbos, or on any day of the week?
When walking, usually only on Shabbos, as I take a more leisurely walk then. Other times, either I or the other people tend to be rushing here or there and the opportunity does not really exist. However, when it does, I do. For example, I always wish the bus driver a “good morning/evening” when I get on the bus.
The Wolf
I asked a question; I intimated nothing.
Baloney.
If I say something like
“I like to eat tuna sandwiches”
and you respond with
“Isn’t it proper to first ask the question whether Yidden ought to be eating a tuna sandwich altogether?”
it is implied within the question that, in some way, it isn’t proper to be eating a tuna sandwich. To say otherwise means that you like to ask meaningless, pointless questions just to get a rise out of people. There is a word for people who do things like that.
The Wolf
WM I am talking about at home girls between themselves its a SHANDA SHABBOS KODES
One girl saying “Good morning” or “good night” to the other is a “SHANDA?”
Really?
Look at it this way. If your kids keep Shabbos perfectly and say “good night” to each other before going to sleep on Friday night, count your blessings that you have wonderful children.
The Wolf
(…and why the emphasis on girls? I don’t see how gender plays any part in this.)
I don’t have to prove anything. It is befirush that one must love Hashem more than one even loves his own children or spouse. (Rema, OC 98:1)
And celebrating one’s anniversary is a contradiction of this… how?
(And, before you decide to frame your answer in terms of Gregorian vs. Jewish calendar, please remember that upthread, you intimated that it might not be proper to celebrate anniversaries altogether, regardless of which calendar you use.)
The Wolf
Women may wear non-tznius clothing at the pool, by ones spouse or in front of other women-only, with no men present, too.
Yes, that was my point. In those contexts, the clothing is not non-tznius! On the contrary, in those contexts the clothing is perfectly appropriate.
You responded “Not true” to the comment that “Singing ladies aren’t tznius”. On that basis you should be claiming “Not true” to a comment that wearing immodest clothing isn’t tzniusdik.
In most contexts, the clothing would not be tzniusdik. In that you’re correct. But there is a time and place for them when they are 100% appropriate and proper. The same applies to women singing.
The Wolf
At least promise me that you will only celebrate on the Jewish date and not on the non-Jewish date.
A. I owe you no promises.
B. Any major celebration will likely take place on neither date, but on a date or dates close by.
C. We will probably privately recognize both (as we also celebrate the anniversary of the date we met).
The Wolf
Hmmm… I have a 25th anniversary coming up this year. Watching this thread for ideas.
(And, for Joseph, yes, I will be celebrating… with or without your approval.)
The Wolf
That’s like claiming a sleeveless gown is tznius… so long as no man sees it.
There are times (such as when alone with one’s spouse) when wearing clothes that are, for public consumption inappropriate, perfectly appropriate.
So too with singing.
In fact, singing is even a weaker case, as women may sing in front of other women — and again, as long as there are no men present, it’s 100% appropriate and permitted.
The Wolf
Wolf – It is not forbidden, but the proper greeting for a Jew to say to another Jew is “Gut Shabbos” [as opposed to “Good morning” or the like.] Source: Shla Hakodesh, R’ Akiva Eiger, R’ Hutner discusses this in Pachad Yitzchak on Shabbos
Fair enough… and that is the greeting I do give to Jews. But to non-Jews, it would be inappropriate, so I say “Good morning” (or afternoon or evening, as appropriate).
The Wolf
Singing ladies aren’t tznius
Not true. You may not be able to listen to them, but they are free to sing in places where there is a reasonable expectation that men will not hear them.
The Wolf
saying good morning and good night on shabbos a Flatbush machla
What is wrong with that?
I often say “good night” to Eeees or the kids before going to bed on any day of the week (including Shabbos).
I say good morning/afternoon/evening to someone on Shabbos if I see that they are not Jewish (If they are, I say “good Shabbos.”)
Please provide a source (pun intended) that saying “good morning” or “good night” on Shabbos is forbidden.
The Wolf
As a resident idolater (read: photographer) in this forum, let me simply say this. No Rav that I have ever encountered has ever said to me “Wolf, you know there may be some issues with your photography…”
I don’t normally photograph people, but on the occasions when I have photographed Rabbonim, not one ever said to me “Please don’t take my picture, as there may be an issue of Avoda Zara (or Kaballah, or whatnot).” On the contrary, they smiled and posed and were even willing to wait for a second shot if I requested.
That being said, I’ll follow my Rabbanim, thank you.
The Wolf
2. Mirrors reflect light, not sound.
2. Well, why not?
2. Why should it?
Mirrors *do* reflect sound… just as much as any other glass surface.
The Wolf
… just waiting for someone to pipe in that if you don’t pronounce it their preferred way, that you have to have your yichus checked… 🙂
The Wolf
Hashem created the world for the Jews, for us to make a Kiddush Hashem and chose us to be His one chosen nation. So why did He make us the minority in the world?
HaShem created the world for me. Why am I a minority in the world?
The Wolf
oyoy: correct! Now I want to know how an married man can make some money on the side while still stay in learning. Any help is appreciated.
I believe my answer from five years ago (see upthread) still applies.
The Wolf
There is no way that Pollard will be returned to jail; restrictions or no restrictions.
I believe that you are wrong. I believe that if Mr. Pollard violates the terms of his parole, he *will* be sent back.
The Wolf
There’s a im a mother website so why isn’t there a im a father website?
Short answer: Because whoever made the Imamother site didn’t want to make an Imafather site.
The Wolf
Wolf, you confirmed it again. The fact that people call you “rabbi” shows just how meaningless the term is since by your own admission you are far from being one.
And the fact that I protest this shows that I *do* feel the title has meaning. If I felt it was meaningless, I wouldn’t protest.
The Wolf