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I believe you misunderstood (assuming you’re referring to what I think you are). That poster was referring to the practice in Chabad shuls to count non-religious people. A person who is publically mechalal Shabbos b’meizid is pasul l’aidus according to seemingly every shittah other than Chabad. This point is brought up far less than all the other for some reason. I suspect due to quasi political correctness reasons.
Yes, I misunderstoodWhatsaktomeParticipantWhy is viewing that the rebbe will be Moshiach pasul them from being part of a minyan?
WhatsaktomeParticipantI’m not okay with davening to a tzaddik either, I am OK with him being a tool to connect with Hashem b/c that is his point, like the yidden with moshe rabeinu and that is the purpose of a tzaddik – which is the meaning of memutzah hamechaber, the sun and moon on the other hand even not to daven to them they are not ways which we connect to Hashem through them like we do with a tzaddik, and either way the mistake of the early avodah Zara is about davening and worshiping which has no connection to our discussion. Either way or sounds like you are coming from a subjective view to defend your position that chabad are kofrim.
WhatsaktomeParticipantAnd about the sukkah, a the halacha is that המצטער פטור מן הסוכה and by chabad we consider it a tzaar to sleep in such a holy place
WhatsaktomeParticipantOr ALSO an organization
WhatsaktomeParticipantThe first ovdei zarah did not claim that, they claimed that hagen left the world in charge of the sun and the moon, very different than a tzaddik that Hashem put into the world in indeed to help us connect to Hashem.
Lubavitch needs pr because it is an organization, “litvish” is not an organizationWhatsaktomeParticipantAnd the point of the answer is that tzaddikim don’t go under the category of memutzah that is assur since they are 1 with Hashem which btw the rebbe brings sources for
WhatsaktomeParticipantMeaning that the problem of a memutzah is like quoted above that it’s asking something else not Hashem, but a tzadddik is a memutzah hamechaber meaning that since the tzaddik is so connected and nullified to Hashem connecting to the tzaddik connects u to Hashem directly
WhatsaktomeParticipantIn korbon nesanel rosh Hashanah at the end of the first perek he asks how do we ask the malachim to ask Hashem for us it’s a prob of memutzah which is the 5th ikar “שאין ראוי לעבדם להיותם אמצעים לקרבה אליו אלא אליו בלבד יכונו המחשבות ויניחו כל מה שזולתו ” that’s the words of the korban nesanel the lashon of the Sicha (I’m yiddish) is וואס איז שייך בכלל בעטן ביי א רעבין עס איז דאך אן עניין פון א ממוצע which is clearly not davening to a rebbe and not specific to lubavitch rather everyone who asks by a tzadddik, the point is its notכפירה
WhatsaktomeParticipantYou say that the rebbe says that you can daven to the rebbe, I looked up that Sicha and what the rebbe asks is how can we ask the rebbe to ask for us (not davening to the rebbe) which is normally assur mitzad memmutzah (and what we ask malachim to ask on behalf of is by neilah the korban haedah days we shouldn’t because of that but the Tzemach Tzedek answers in or hatorah that the malachim are just bringing up or Tefilos not asking on our behalf) but a tzadddik is allowed to ask on our behalf since Hashem is revealed in him
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