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BPT
I think Tunabeigel is way more extreme than a Modern Yeshivish. a tuna is more modern than a modern Yeshivish in most cases and is sometimes close to off the derech or just at risk. A Tuna will be wearing jeans (dgeens) a tight intereting colored tee shirt (ah tee shuhrt) have a very trim beard or none at all (trrrim bearrrd) small payos or none at all. A bluetooth in his ear (ah bluetoot) have the latest model cell phone (tzell fon) if married will be with a girl who looks like a…id prefer not to describe in detail here…
He will be very lax in his mitzvah observance, and will likely use many vulgar words that will make one wonder if he was ever a sailor. However they won’t be sytactically correct and it will sound like he is “trying to be a goy” but just doesn’t know how. Oh and he will smoke like a chimney, have a small Yarmulka or wear a baseball cap. His shoes will be wacky (and probably not match the rest of the ensemble) need I go on? BPT you can take over from here.
My point is a Tuna is a major rebel and is running away from chassidus. (They will never go to tish and cants stand any of the chassidish stuff like long Davenings…)
A Modern Yeshivish is someone who takes some liberties but still wants to be a part of the yeshivish velt. meaning behind closed doors they will do certain unyeshivish things but in public for the most part they come across more or less Yeshivish.
Confusedyid
You are most welcome!
BPT
ROTFLMKO
BPT
Thse same “bachurim” 15-20 years down the line will be making newspaper headlines about fraud. It starts at this age.
Sacrilege
Wisewoman is right. Just because someone is in Kollel doesn’t mean he is a mentch!
Someone once contacted the Steipler Gaon, Zt”l, Rav Yisrael Yaakov Kanievsky, to inquire about a bachur for a shidduch for his daugh The Steipler said that that boy is a very big masmid, and that the bo Rebbe should be contacted to check him out in terms of his middos. The father was confused. “Didn’t the Steipler just tell me that this bo a big masmid!? How can it be that the boy doesn’t have good middo he learns all day and night?” The Steipler answered him simply, “all bachur has to do is sit with a Sefer and a Shtender, neither of which talk back to him or ask him to take out the garbage.”
Sacrilege
I was a smoker. I quit after 8 years. Its an addiction but not in the same league as hard drugs. There are plenty of yeshiva guys which quit for shidduchim which just proves that its not such a hard addiction to break, I have a whole bunch of friends who quit. However people who smoked for 15-20 or more years obviously have a much more ingrained addiction. Or to be precise, its not just the addiction that needs to be broken its a bad habit, habits are hard to break (nail biting…)
Yes maybe young teens aren’t all doing a pack a day but even half a pack at $30 a pack is $15. They won’t be able to afford that either. Or even a 1/3 of a pack, $10 a day, that’s $60 a week. They won’t be able to afford that either.
(Obviously parents don’t give money and say here’s $40 for cigarettes, here’s $30 for snacks…I meant in general kids say oh I need $50 a week and parents give it without a cheshbon, if the kid says all of a sudden I need $100 a week the parent will say no way!)
Want to hear something a bit profound?
In my opinion, the main difference between Jews (frum Jews) and Muslims (frum Moslims) is that at its essence, Islam glorifies death and the greatest achievement a Muslim can attain is Martyrdom. On the other hand Yiddishkiet is the polar opposite, yes its a huge mitzvah to die al kiddush Hashem but the greatest achievement for a Yid is to live al kiddush Hashem, Vchai Bahem (vlo Sheyamus Bahem) Uvacharta Bachayim. We glorify life. Chayei Oilum Nota Besoicheinu. Judaism is all about life!
Kosherman
Go to Subsational, ask for extra meat, ask them to make it hot, ask for fried onions. Nirvana lol.
Saftala
Go to the larger Judaica websites (eichlers, nehora…) and see what they have under the Bar/Bat mitzvah gift tab. Can’t go wrong with an inspiring book in my opinion unless the kid is really frum and doesn’t need it in that case ask the kid what they want, if that’s not possible maybe ask the parents of the child, if that’s also not possible just get a gift card to either a Judaica, toy store or clothing store (that the kid would appreciate!).
Whatrutalking
They have a website?
What’s the email address? I want to see this thing. Thanks.
Wolf
The correct thing to do is Daven that you should get it. Not Chas Veshalom having in mind that your friend shouldn’t. Just focus on what you need. If you are supposed to get it Hashem will give it to you. Don’t worry about your friend, you can Daven for him too that he should have parnassah if you’d like, but Hashem has a Cheshbon for everyone.
BPT
The Yetzer Hara is obviously at work hehehe (evil laugh) 🙂
Smartcookie
Whatever you are willing to spend is not what’s important. Make sure your husband to be likes whatever style you will buy because he is likely paying for it, and even if he isn’t, he will have to look at you wearing it every day so make sure he likes it.
Health
BRILLIANT. Now that you mention it I’m surprised there’s no pictures of gorgeous women on the boxes. They put those pictures almost everywhere else…
Sacrilege
At $30 a box in all states many people would quit, and most importantly, young people wouldn’t start because they can’t afford it. To tell you the truth, what hurts me the most is to see young Jewish boys smoking. Young teenagers. There’s way too much smoking going on in our yeshivos. At $30 a pack, there’s no Bachur that will be able to afford it and no parent who would give their kid enough money that would support such a habit. So even if not all Bachurim would quit, at least it would drastically cut down on how much they smoke which is also a good thing.
Bezalel
Good point. The govt is full of lies and distortion the problem is we the sheeple put up with it!
so right
You could be right. I havent been there in a while.
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There’s a point where people just can’t afford it. If the price was $30 a pack almost everyone would quit.
So right
Where are these so called Gedolim that our American Kollelim are supposed to be producing?
I agree its not just for the best learners, irs for anyone willing to put in a full days hasmodah in learning. The problem is many Chevrah are not putting in a full days Kollel work. If guys in Kollel “hustled” and worked as hard and were as serious as business people are in the business world we would have many Gedolim coming out of these American Kollelim, instead of just chevrah who “know how to learn.”
Josh31
The difference is that a Levi was designated by Hashem as special and holy and therefore deserving of being supported. For a person to deserve to be supported in such a manner he should prove he is on such a high caliber.
Dunno
Would it be a problem asking the guy on the date how many years he realistically wants to learn?
I think the best way to get rid of smoking is triple the price. Make it unaffordable. The next step is also crack down on the black market ways of getting cigarettes. All cigarettes from all states should be the same price. Cigarettes are killers. Forget the evntual sicknesses. Anyone who smokes knows how it kills your productivity, you always have to run out and get one. Smoking actually makes you a more nervous person. It adds to your anxiety and makes you an addict. Additionally, you become out of breath very quickly and your level of fitness goes way down. It wears down your immune system and it becomes easier for you to get colds and to develop a calcium deficiency. It makes your teeth brown, stains your fingers and makes you smell like a homeless bum.
If you currently smoke, you can quit. I quit after smoking a pack a day for 8 years. I have been happier,and much healthier since. I have more energy and I feel good. No more tingling or nervous cravings. No more dependencies on adestructive cancer stick. I can breath without feeling a tightness in my chest. I wake up feeling good in the morning….I quit cold turkey and that worked for me. Anyone can quit cold turkey. They just have to be motivated and determined enough to follow through on it.
Dunno
Your thread is full of exaggerations and extremes. There are very few guys today who say “lifetime learning” and very few girls who want that. Anyone who says lifetime is usually cut out for that. The problem is the 3 year, 5 year guys. Many of them are full of it. Specifically 3 years. If a guy wants to learn 3 years it likely means he wants to learn one year and take it easy for 2.
Girls, as a guy I will tell you, there’s a lot of guys in Yeshivah who don’t belong there.
Do a lot of research. If you want the goods on a guy call his dira mates from Eretz Yisroel, speak to ALL of them especially the ones he was with his last zman in Israel. Also speak to his roomates in BMG don’t be afraid to “grill” them ask direct questions. You may be wondering why I would offer this info, the reason is because I am sickened and fed up with the hypocrisy in our Yeshivos and it ticks me off that bad guys who are still bad have the chutzpah to pass themselves off as learners and date good girls. One of the reasons why there are so many broken engagements and divorces is because people usually the girl doesn’t find out the truth until after the engagement or the marriage. You have to do thorough info on the guys.
Memo
They exist but there aren’t many of them. Its hard to be shtark in the working world many distractions and it doesn’t leave that much time for Torah. Well I guess that depends also on if you work 9-5 or have a longer work day and have to commute…bottom line, there are some shtark working boys or guys who are willing to go to work after marriage or after a year of Kollel.
Look into Yeshivas like Torah Vodaas, Chaim Berlin, Chofetz Chaim, Rabbi Bergers in Lakewood…
Bein hasdorim
Id suggest you ask this on a computer or internet related website where there are many people knowledgeable enough to help you.
Ofcourse
Your definition seems on the mark.
Shlomozalman
I will agree that for many couples, specifically the boys who look for and get the rich father in-laws there is no mesiras nefesh involved. However there are a number of couples that both the boy and girl aren’t wealthy and they are moser nefesh for a kollel lifestyle. Be it that the wife has to work very hard to support them (which she does gladly as she appreciates the value of Torah Lishma) and even having to accept hand me downs and clothing from relatives…not splurging…and stam living a simpler life focusing mostly on the spiritual.
This does exist but is by far the minority of the Kollel population in the young newlywed crowd.
BPT
Did you hear any “Shmuz”es yet?
myfriend
“(possibly but not necessarily within the same decade.)”
Whats that supposed to mean? You cant be straight about your age?
Whats the purpose of this thread?
We should be proud of our spiritual achievements. Forget the nobel peace prizes. How about the fact that we taught the concept of morality and monotheism to the world? We gave the world a conscience.
Pashuteh Yid
Yeah Im still waiting for my Challos to taste test….
Backinaction
I see you have talent. Can you possible make up a song with a more positive message?
Its ironic that the concept we should learn from Chanukah is that we are different from the non Jews and how they forced us to give up on our Mitzvos and many Jews willingly gave up and made concessions on their yiddishkiet until they became Greeks (misyavnim) and yet what do we do? We go and give Chanukah gifts which is a Christmas concept stolen from the non Jews.
I think the greatest gift you can give each other is to learn what Chanukah is about and to both show appreciation to Hashem that we live in a society where theres religious freedom and we are able to do the Mitzvos freely and build beautiful Jewish families.
The gift giving you can leave for before or after Chanukah.
I’m shocked that you guys want to forward this. Don’t get me wrong, the fellow who wrote this has rhyming skills and talent, but the content of the song is pathetic and definitely not something to “sing” about!
Would you sing a song “I am a loser I am a failure…?” I hope not.
Kapusta
That point about Tefillah and depression is right on. But Tefilla and Emunah are intertwined. The more Emuna you have the more Kavana you daven with and the more Kavana you Daven with the more Emunah you will have.
People don’t appreciate that they can talk to Hashem whenever wherever (as long as its not a bathroom..)
Hashem listens to all of our prayers in any language. If you are at work and you feel like you need help take 15 seconds to say Hashem, I know you run the world and control everything and man is powerless without You please help me, please give me Hatzlacha in this….
Backinaction
If this song is a depiction of your life it deeply saddens me.
Can you add Bakery to Kosher Establishments?
Y.W. Editor
Thank you for taking care of that. Nice to know our voices are listened to 😉
Im for getting to my destination in one piece and not having to worry my plane will blow up.