Chacham

look in a sefer like shiurei reb shmuel. see how much he did. yet he learnrd 35 blatt a zman.

Toi- sorry to disappoint you but my yeshiva (unfortunately for me) did not have limudei chol.

no I am not from Passaic. I wrote earlier I am from Lakewood. But somebody I know discovered me yestersay and asked me if my name is Chacham from yeshiva world coffee room because he saw something there about derech halimud that is my kind of thing to say.

toi- you did not address my point at all. my shayala is if there is more then one mehalach in learning why does one get the monopoly?

TOI- Do you mean if I do not follow every shittah of Rav Shach it does not apply to me if he says I will be an Am haaretz? He only said it about to people who follow every one of his shitos?

If rav Shach Reb Michel Yehuda Rav Shteinman Rav Mattisyahu Solomon Reb Chaim Kanievski and Rav Shmuel Auerbach etc. and many other gedolim who were/are the gedolei hador hold one way unanimously than yes you could follow them since chances are they have a very good idea in what they are saying. You make it sound like rav shach is a daas yochid who gets brushed aside unless you wwere his talmid muvhak. aderabba- maybe if you want to go slow you can only go so slow if you follow the shitos of the American Roshei yeshivos on everything.

My point is that in America you have 40 yeshivos learning slow. In Ertez Yisrael most learn faster. NOw MOST gedolim not just rav shach are against the way they learn in America. Everyone answers this is the only way to get bachurim to learn in this generation and it is sort of a horaas sha’ah. so 40 out of 40 yeshivos are doing so. My complaint is this horaas shaah is not a davar hashava lchol nefesh. In my shiur of seventeen bachurim, 3 of them want to go faster. So if it is not a davar hashaveh lacol there has to be a place for the exceptions. My complaint is the American Mehalach has a complete monopoly of every yeshiva. Why can’t anybody care about the shita of the gedolei hador and have a yeshiva for those that want to learn faster? I am not brushing aside the other gedolim I am merely saying there is obviously another mehalach other than the american mehalach so why is there no yeshiva for that mehalach?

I am not looking for a bikius seder. I do that on my own. I want a place where I can pick up the mehalach of learning 25 blatt biyun in one zman

Maybe. But what am I myself meant to do if I like learning faster and rav shach says I will be an am haaretz. And 100 percent there may be a makom to learn slow. But why is not one of forty going any faster . Let them both co-exist

toi- rav shach was clearly talking to bnei chutz laretz too. Look in michtavim from rav shach (6 vol.) and see his strong leshonos and why he was against it ( and you will it does not look like he will change his reason. His main reason was this is not the way gedolim were always made and this is not the way gedolim will be made) and keep in mind rav shach was an active rosh yeshiva and magid shiur for over 50 years

I personally do not think there was an active decision to go slow. I think it sort of evolved. My rebbi was all suprised pesach time when we only got up to daf vav. He said 7 years ago we got to daf ches. I think it happened when all the rosh yeshivos’s shiurim were printed. In reb shmuel’s shiur they learned only reb shmuel’s mehalach but we learn reb shmuel, reb shlomo, reb dovid, the dvar yaakov, ohel tora, reb ruevain etc. mehalach.

real brisker- If you are a real brisker it is kdai to know reb chaim said in order to earn the name ben torah you must learn at least 40 blatt a month.

Toi – do you think rav shach was also dumb

real-brisker- I found that I had a greater sipuk from my learning when I learned faster. And I do not need mkotzeh lkotzeh. I will be happy with a place that did 20 blatt.

From what I heard there is only about 10 guys at yeshivas ohr reuvain