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patur- please see ????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???”? which quotes from kisvei yad and the smag and other rishonim quoting the rambam which has the girsa of ?? ????? ???? ???.
an example sotah 48b
?”? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?????
????? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ??????? ?? ??? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ???? ??????
PETA=People Eat Tasty Animals
zvei dinim-
the rambam does brings down the simanim. And the maharil seems to think the simanim will make it easy to find.
And yasher koach for the link to the updated ???? ???? ???????. Is the ???? going to make its way around like the last one? And btw the third and forth pages are not so clear.
popa- you really think I am a rasha and a prize student of Reb Avigdor Miller?
I don’t like Joseph.
I looked up the bikurei yakov. His tzad to use rov would be machshir the esrog lgamri with a bracha. However he is not sure if rov applies therefore he says to take it without a bracha. If he is unsure about rov it is vaiter a safek ( or maybe a sfeik sfeika)
The tnai is in the bais yosef at the end of 11 bsheim the mahari abuhab. the tnai is used to be yotzei the ittur of two holes and the shita of rov rishonim.
sbeph what is your question from the second day of rosh hashana?
Patur- good chap about sfeik sefeika being a mesakein.
sbeth-
Alright I hear what you are saying. The way i understood rav chaim is that any mitzvah that you are vadai chayav in than safek deoraysa will not be said unless after doing it you vadai will not be chayav. therefore my case ( actually not my case i FOUND IT BY RAV MOSHE SHTernbuch who brings it as a ??raya??? farkert) in Rosh hashana is shver being that you are chayav to do a safek in the chance you are being mekayeim a mitzvah.
But you are right. If the vort is because the torah is not mechayeiv safek deoraysa which you will not know if you will be mekayeim the case from rosh hashana is not a raya.
But this is all needless as you pointed out we clearly do not pasken like this.
Sam2- See the teshuvas beis haleivi 1,42 on bal tigara and it would seem that the biur halacha learns the same way ???”? ??’ ??, ?”? ???? so the MB holds it is halacha lmaasa.
Patur
1.First of all we Do say safek deoraysa by a safek esrog. the biur halacha that discusses rov is only to be somech on the rov to make a bracha. however, the bikurei yaakov holds that we don’t say rov there and still he holds you take without a bracha. There is no tzad in all the achronim there not to take an esrog. This is pashut just like by tefillin not one of the achronim (published) argue .
2. Ok so you agree according to sbeph and Rsm and RMS there is no excuse not to wear techeiles. Good. After a year and a half we finally got somewhere. And you agree that if there is only one safek of techeiles we all must wear it. Good. So explain what falls into the geder of a safek.
See the Chazon ish in Maseh ish http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=51554&st=&pgnum=132&hilite= which clearly says we say safek deoraysa lchumra by techeiles just he felt the radziner was not even a ?? ??? of a safek. Today kyedua it was upshlugged that it lkulei alma is not a safek and the only people who wear it is only because they are chassidim.
I personally do not either see the janthina a safek as rav herzog only suggested it because of problems he had with the murex, which we now know are clearly not problems. Also you will have a hard time answering it up with most chazal and there is no raya to a janthina rather a hashara in which the yeshuas malco 2 writes
??? ????? ???? ???? ?? ??????, ?? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?????, ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????”? ????? ?????? ????????? ??? ??????, ?? ???? ???? ??.
see also rav tavgar http://www.tekhelet.com/pdf/kuntreis2008_2.pdf
Now Rav Chaim only knew of one type of techeiles and RSM is also only talking about the Murex as the only candidate. so they have no excuse (Lulei the chazon ish which won’t help today)
3- I like the additional raya you brought from tekious against the way the velt says rav chaim.
4- you can wear all three sefeikos at the same time. I already pointed out you can make a tnai. Therefore you can be mesakein since you have done everything possible to bem ekyam the mitzva.
sam2 what about bal tigara?
sbeph safek deoraysa is telling you to go somewhere. Going there is the maaseh. therefore the safek is still there after the maaseh Vdoik.
And as you pointed out lhalacha we pasken by tefillin ( in 7 places) and by esrog Biur halacha in 648 ?”? ????? (page 136) that you must go lchumra Upashut dhu hadim hacaha
sbeph- go ahaid make fun of lamdanim when you can’t understand a gemara. the case in rh is talking about a safek deoraysa being mechayeva halicha to a makom that is a safek mitzvah even at the cost of being mevatel a derabanan. get it ? It is a safek if there is a mitzvah in the first place. Not a safek that you are mesakein like the ran. just are you mechayev to do a maaseh because of Safek doraysa that is not mesaken whachout , MR> sbeph you might embarrass yourself…..
Ain hachi nami the ran is different however being that rav moshe shternbuch ( in chelek 4)throws in the pri megadim 194,3 the ran disagrees with the pri megadim ( as well as the machatis hashekel shulchan aruch harav mishna berurah aruch ahshulchan the levushei serad and the pri megaim himself in countless other places ( like the end of siman 39). If you want the pri megadim then you have the ran ( which is paskened lehalcha by the mb)
And yes the Mb and everyone else disagrees ( like the biur hagra in 32 5 and many achronim spread out in hilchos tefilin)
And when I say i dont know where rav chaim comes from teshuvas vhanhagos won’t help. He does not either know where it is from. In chelek one he says the bais haleivi and in chelek 4 he says the maharil diskin ( he also adds how the radzhiner brings it down mishmo in his sefer)
about 20 esrogim – you are right and even patur will say no safek lchumra there.
patur—mheichi teisi. give me a sevara. rav miller at least tries explaining it with a sevara. also the fill in the blank who said it never heard of the other minim. and what constitutes a safek? Any fishy is a safek or maybe it needs some rayas and cannot just be a hashara ( that is the opinion of the yeshuas malco and chazon ish maseh ish 1,132)
Rebry- if you will read this entire thread you will see many big names. If you are interested in being meayin al pi halacha try a site called tchelet-net.022.co.il
sam2 – you wear?
Patur aval assur- here we go again
1- It is more available today after not being harvested for 1500 years. Not a raya to what it was.
2- Could be a good taayne. But lmaaseh tsafos says it as a shema to be metareitz a kashya. And see maharsha and nimukei hagriv (PRINTED UNDER THE MAHAsha).
3- You are wrong on the metzious. In the words of one of the big oskim in this inyan. ” The colorant found in both dyes it identical, and if we were to isolate them, and be left with crystals of non-organic indigotine, the two would be identical. Up until then, however, they are different. A similar case in point, for illustration: There are many iron based red dyes, and all iron is identical. Blood is red because of it’s iron based hemoglobin structure, but is quite distinct from ochre, which is a red pigment made of iron ore (hematite)!
Presently, the dying method isolates to indigotine in the dying process, something that was not done in early times, and the simplest proof for this is that it is now an extremely fast dye!”
I found out a test was indeed done with some ancient indigo and it passed with flying colors ( couldn’t help the pun) and the ancient indigo faded. I think this is the fifth time in this thread we went through this.
4- The yaavetz obviously saw Pliny inside and felt it was neeman enough to upshlug a rambam and write Zeh aino. see mitpeches sofrim 4
5-I woulnd’t say RSm pshat in Reb Chaim rather I would say RSM’s Reb chaim, since rav chaim himself never said such a silly thing and it is simply brought down in the radzhiners sefer as chacham eched.
The mishna berura in Siman 32:50, 33:5 in Biur halacha ?”? ??? and MB 39:26 and Biur halacha in 648 ?”? ????? (page 136) says safek deoraysa lchumra by teffilin and esrog which are exactly the same as techeiles not like the ran. Also the case of shofar IS only a safek if you are being mesaken not like you assumed. see rh 34b and every other mareh makom i was already metzyein but you failed to be mayin ( even after 3 months!!!)
About three kinds as safek two of them are only hashaaros with no strong rayas (see yeshuas malco 2 ???? ????? ?? ?????”? ??????? ????”?, ??? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ????) and the murex has many rayas some which i already stated above.
And your ikar hanacha is wrong since you could be yotzei all of them the way the beis yosef says to be yotzei one and 2 holes at the same time- by making a tnai that whichever is real is tzitzis and the rest is nothing.
And maybe you could explain how his hesber in “rav chaim” makes any sense.
1- It is a machlokes achronim if safek deoraysah lchumra by an asei is lkulei alma deoraysah. he assumes the chavos daas opinion when the Milei Harooim and sfas emes (RH 34b) and pri megadim 695 and r akiva eiger argue
2- i don’t understand bichlal why it will be talui if is midaroysa or not and how is it even a dimyon to the ran in teshuvas that the shmaisa brings down. maybe you can atemp to explain.
Hatzlocha and thanks for keeping this topics only during bein hazmanim
Rav moshe rav aharon rav elyashiv rav henkin and most poskim are only Mattir when the compressor is on. However rav Shlomo Zalman Is famous for his teshuva in mInchas Shlomo that is
Mattir even when the compressor is not running. An ac Is Pashtus the same and is talui if it is blowing lulei rav elyashiv.
I believe in Meor Hashabbos Chelek 4 ( a great sefer that deals with all electronics like cameras, ovens , urns, AC, etc.) Rav Elyashiv ZT”l is mechaleik between walking into a room with ac and a refrigerator because the maaseh of opening the door on a refrigerator is a maaseh on the guf of the fridge thereby the melacha is nisyaches to the opener. ???”? the ac opening the door is not a maaseh on the ac. ???”? ???? . That sefer has a long arichus on this inyan and I believe in sefer hilchos shabbas bshabbos Chelek 3 (hebrewbooks only has the first two chalakim) also is maarich why it is chaluk from a fridge.
golden popa
sam2 – you once posted you are makpid on music all year. what happened>
“in the post Rav Moshe era”
what about reb moshe himself and his opinion on ball games?
rabbi eider says no music
sam2
I once saw an aruch hashulchan that said even according to the maan deamar aino tzurich kavvana by succah everyone agrees from Vehodaata.
why not?
Not bad. what is the problem with reb shlomo zalman siman 1?
See MInchas Shlomo on Nedarim 28a
csar – I think sam is reffering to small rabbonim in this dor arguing on reb moshe.( ie the eruv)
Sam2 ON this inyan it is yadua that this is reb moshes opinion and his talmidim say it over also,
Wow. So much research. WHo are all these Chachamim?
sam do you mean because of chelek 8?
yeah, try mine. Maybe it is one of my Joseph tricks.
kfb go ahead argue on reb moshe
If the din of nedava is talui in the fact you cannot bring a nedava on shabbos why should you be mechalek before or after shkiah? AS everyone already said the dinim of tefilah are all talui in your kabalas shabbos. Therefore there is no hechrech and reason to be medayeik the lashon of the MB. I will bli neder try to be meayin more in the seforim.
oy- I don’t think that is a very glatta diyuk. there is no sevara whatsoever that you can do a nedava before shkia. Did he have any additional rayas
nuuu popa tell us!
nuuu popa tell us!
In my dor all anyone looked for was a dolt
igros yd 4,11
the chiyuv of tosefes shabbos is a shvus therefore we are meikil with another shvus bmkom mitzvah
sam2 ain shvus bamikdash ………….
I can be krum and say pilpul. The reason the MB 107,6 of ain nedavos bshabbos is only becasue you can’t bring a korban nedava bshabbos. NOw since being mekabbel shabbos early is a private din talui in you (and lfi rov rishonim a shvus) in the Bais hamikdash they can still bring nedavos. but like i said this is krum.
But i can’t find anything else
what about being shoel on the kabbalas shabbos
” compelling source”
how about the Mishna berurah in 108 36 (and wikisource from some crazzy reason thinks that ben ish chai, lvush , kitzur, shulchan aruch harav and aruch hashulchan come before MB so i cannot qoute it for you.)
Mechaber 108, 11 ??? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ??? ????:
however the MB 36 says if a one day rC is erev shabos you do not repeat because there is no nedavos on shabbos.
It could be lchumra you should have in mind to be yotzei by mein sheva ( big maharsham about this somewhere)
other eitzos
1.you can be shoel on the kaballas shabbos. ( however it could be a problem of lemafrea making brachos levatala. I once saw such a chasam sofer about being shoel on hafrashas teruma.
Abou vsain tal.
3. REB Chaim Stensils in Brachos 26b says that not mentioning (Yaaleh Vyavo to those that argue on tosfos 26b and) Vsain Tal Umatar has the din of not davening therefore you must redaven maariv of shabbos like the Shulchan aruch in 108-9 However Har tzvi oraach chaim 54 and Steipler brachos 16 and other poskim argue regarding vsain tal umatar and you do not have to repeat it leil shabbos ( i remember seeing in an early chelek of yeshurun a long shtickel on this from dayan fisher zt”l who brough many rayas to the har tzvis opinion.
Now dedicate a troll.
btw.. what does mussaf have to do with anything.
zvei dinim- the chazon ish also said that smoking causes one to forget his torah see maaseh ish 2 162 http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=51555&st=&pgnum=162
and teshuvos vhanhagos 4 115 http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=20027&st=&pgnum=112
According to Rav Elyashiv (shvus Yitzchak on sheyiha perek6:2 and Orchos Shabbos 2:in the haaroh 107) and The Chazon Ish 37:8 the entire area of the blech even the part that is NOT yad soledes bo is considered like the cover on the fire. THerefore it will be assur to do a hanacha lchatchila even on the cool side of the blech. It is based on the fact that the same way there is no chiluk for the din toich even on the cold parts , because it has a shem kirah, so too on top when you have a blech spreading the heat we can’t be mechalek two parts of the blech and the cold part is batel to the hot part. See Igros Moshe chelek 1 siman 94 where he is meilkel however in OC4 74 he is more machmir and in YD2 75 Rav moshe seems to say it is all called an oven ??”?
czar page 40 in Orchas Rabeinu Chelek 1 and I looked and I can’t remember where RSZA is. It is very likely I am mistaken about it because it is not in halichos shlomo on tefila but i am pretty sure I have seen it somewhere.