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Health: are you being silly again?

ifti99: I would just let Health type and don’t respond to him.

WIY: “If there was a likely chance that the company was putting poison in their food would you believe them if they told you that they don’t?”

Nice, right out of the gemarah.

When I was in yeshiva I remember I used to eat out all the time at a couple people’s houses who had girls around my age at the shabbos table. Some a couple years older and some a couple years younger. I had a real taiva for years for one of them and it is hard when you are a single guy to be put in that situation. She would always talk to me throughout the meal. It is a very BAD idea. If you are single you should start dating girls as soon as possible for the purpose of marriage. Don’t even speak or look at other girls when you are single if there is no or very little chance of marriage. It will only end up in serious heartbreak and disappointment. Trust me.

Health:

Me: “If I am rude to you personally does that give me the right to take you away and send you to prison until you pay me money?”

You: “It’s like a father hitting a son or a Rebbe hitting a student.”

It’s like a father hitting a son or a Rebbe hitting a student? Excuse me? You can’t see how a father hitting a child is different than a judge sentencing a girl to 30 days in a prison cell with strangers for being rude is different than a father hitting a student?

You: “If I had that right to, why not? The Judge had that right -whether you gave him permission or not.”

No Health I am sorry but you are wrong. People do have have the right to do whatever they want. The United States legal system was founded by breaking the laws of the Native Americans and founded their own laws by force. Why on earth do you think that if the United States Constitution or State Constitution says it is legal that makes it morally acceptable? The entire thread in the fist place is about what is morally acceptable or not.

Me: “If her being rude to the judge has nothing to do with being rude to the system and is only a “personal matter” than why does she deserve anything he threw at her? (i.e. a month in a jail cell with total (possibly dangerous) strangers”

You: “She deserved it – like I just explained.”

I don’t really think you explained it in any logical manner.

You: “And posters who say they don’t have the time to answer is usually due to the fact that they don’t have any logical answers.”

Me (now): No I really just don’t want to talk to you anymore.

I think that about sums it up. So can we stop talking and let other people have a say? You are wrong, just admit it and have some rachmanus for other people.

I live all the way out east in LI and don’t really have this problem with parking. I always felt bad for you city folk with all the congestion everywhere. But I think the fact that there are too many shules/too few parking spots be the least of your problems! I would call the shule and ask if it is ok. It is their reshus to do with what they want. If it is only the government that prohibits it and the shule is fine with it I would not worry about it unless they give you a ticket.

apushatayid: “Are you high on Xanax?”

Besides the fact that Daniel Rosen is 100% right, it think it is ironic how you are the one showing such a lack of derech eretz when you are the one arguing how severely a lack of derech eretz should be punished.

The issue comes down to who was more immoral: The judge or the girl. As DR said, I do not think it is immoral to show a lack of respect to a man-made, flawed and possibly corrupt system that threw you in prison for a reason you legit. disagree with. I do think it is immoral to take someone away from their loved ones and family and make them give you all the money they make for an entire year because they were rude.

BTW, Do you know that in accordance with the legal system of the State of Washington it would be illegal for Avroham Avinu to marry Sarah because they prohibit first cousin marriage but it is perfectly legal for two men to marry each-other? Can anyone make sense of this?

Would the people who say “the law is the law whether you agree with it or not” agree with these statements:

In the 19th century, proponents of slavery often defended the institution as a “necessary evil”. White people of that time feared that emancipation of black slaves would have more harmful social and economic consequences than the continuation of slavery.

In 1820, Thomas Jefferson, one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, wrote in a letter that with slavery:

We have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other.[118]

Robert E. Lee wrote in 1856:

There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence.[119]

Now you can see the difference between our system of law and our poskim apposed to secular law. We are following the same halacha and learn the same books now as we did in the 1800’s going all the way back thousands of doros. Secular law changes with the times and whims of the generation.

If you are going to say that the girl was 100% percent wrong for being rude to a system that took away her freedom then you at least have to be consistent and say the court of 200 years ago in the US deserves the same respect. After all- “denei demalchusa…”