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Gay Nineties is an American nostalgic term that refers to the decade of the 1890s… The phrase has nothing to do with the term “gay” to refer to homosexuality, a usage that long postdates the phrase. (good ol’ wikipedia)
Yita: If you read again, not only will you see that that’s not what I wrote, but that you’re not comprehending what I did write. Unfortunately that seems to be par for the course for my posts on this thread…
Ironically, I quoted a post with one mention of the word “Agudah” in this thread but yet have had all sorts of things about how I supposedly feel about the Agudah attributed to me. What I wrote speaks for itself and I don’t feel the need to rehash it. Well, maybe one thing, but then this post will get deleted as well, LOL.
In the off chance my posts aren’t still being deleted, I’d like to say to Middlepath that I am so sorry for what you’ve been through and I really respect where you are now in spite of it.
B”H I am not a victim of sexual abuse cv”s, but this just may be an argument for female moderators. I think someone has to be either a victim or a mother to really feel the agony they feel. It stays with them the rest of their lives. It destroys their ability to trust authority figures and seriously compromises their ability to have functional relationships with family, friends, and a potential spouse (esp. when the victim has received no treatment and/or it’s been swept under the rug “for the sake of shidduchim”).
Our precious kinderlach go off the derech for lesser reasons than this. Comparing frum offender rates to the general population doesn’t work because there are so few of us to begin with. One is too many!!
I second this notion 1000% (not a typo).
Excuse me, unidentified choshuve moderator (Mod-80/pba? Probably, considering the use of the word “retarded”, twice):
You COMPLETELY HIJACKED my post and the meaning behind it so you could cleverly toss your ad hominems out and threaten to ban me for something I DID NOT SAY.
You deleted my comment that followed Aries’ quote, without acknowledgment, and replaced it with your opinion of Aries’ comment that I (attempted to) quote.
The point I was trying to get across (which I invite you to respond to/pick apart/insult, perhaps using an actual screen name) was: Why is man/boy nonconsensual pedophelia being swept under the rug when consensual homosexuality is clearly an aveira ACCORDING TO THE TORAH?
Yes, that is precisely what I was responding to, and I deleted it because it was so disgusting, but I allow it now to respond openly.
Just what gives you the brazenness to suggest that aguda doesn’t care about man/boy pedophilia?
If you care to discuss the issues, do so like an adult. This is not the place for stupid accusations that sound cute because you managed to find some little “hook.”
What in the world does Hashem’s stance on homosexuality (which is completely undebatable) have to do with how our community to respond to accusations of molestation with varying degrees of substantiation?
And why don’t you learn sometime that just because someone doesn’t share your view of what the solution is, doesn’t mean that they are in bad faith, or are trying to encourage the problem.
And maybe have just a tad little bit of respect for your rabbonim. Just a tad.
And this really is the last warning on this thread. -95
You know, Aries makes a good point.
“All true, and the Agudah and other Jewish Organizations will attack the Homosexuals and the act of Homosexuality but will ignore the fact that most molesters are committing non consensual homosexual acts on minors and yet THEY themselves are not only ignoring it but protecting them. How hypocritical can they be? Seriously! “
Aries does not make a good point at all.
The aguda does not condone molesting, and it is retarded to suggest that they do. I have no reason to think they are not trying their best.
I’d like to see one of you clowns trying to decide whether to go to the police and perhaps destroy an innocent rebbi and his family since nobody will ever believe he is innocent even if there is no evidence, versus maybe allowing him to molest other kids.
If you keep going in that vein, you will both be banned. There are plenty of websites for that kind of stupid talk.
Yita:
Is it possible that bloggers will make mistakes? Absolutely. They are not gods. But they are trying, and that is all we can ask for.
Do squirrels always land on their feet like cats can?
The echidna is also remarkable with its two sets of inward-facing paws that dig into the ground and make it impossble for a predator to dig them out (or want to, considering the spikes on its back).
Aries, thank you, thank you. I have just felt like screaming sometimes because I feel like, is anyone paying attention? Does ANYONE care about OUR Yiddishe neshamas who are being utterly destroyed by the monsters among us?? YES, they ARE monsters who would do this to children. It is a horrible mental illness that prompts an adult to violate a child like this. Where is the outrage? How have we gotten to the point where we are so afraid of “Daas Torah” that we allow the destruction of our children to happen in our midst??
Just to clarify, I was replying to “slave-to-g-d”.
Thank you for summarizing, Aries.
There once was a Chana who wandered
She went here and there and out yonder
Once she didn’t go back
She became an expat
And felt just like a fish out of water.
I thought the conclusion they came to was the complete opposite of what you wrote.
If you were sending your child away to yeshiva, wouldn’t you want to know if they have what I’ve heard referred to as a “Catholic priest problem”?
OTOH, I’ve met many bnei Torah who went to NI and who have stellar middos. I wouldn’t hesitate to send my son for post-H.S. I’m not planning on him boarding anywhere before then – that’s the best way to keep an eye on what’s going in your son’s life on a day-to-day basis.
zahavasdad: the problem is the abuse AND the cover-ups.
There are lots of threads that *should* disappear…
Corey, my point is that if someone is behaving the way you describe, then the white shirt is just a costume because they’re not living up to what the white shirt represents.
Corey, if I see that, I know it means the white shirt is a costume and it might as well be blue stripes with pink polka dots.
My kids and I loved it when it came out, still do!
The 90s were my young adult, pre-BT days. Those years definitely set the stage for my journey to frumkeit. I was gainfully employed in the secular world, and I was exposed to all sorts of pritzus. I got married, we started a family, and it was during the 2000s that we made the gradual and sometimes painful transition to living a life according to Torah. The effort we expended and sacrifices we made over the years make the result all the more meaningful.
Fifteen years ago I would have laughed if you would have told me that I’d be living in a frum community with kids in yeshiva. Things have happened that only Hashem could have enabled. We don’t take our frumkeit for granted, having lived secular lives as children and young adults.
Sometimes it’s really hard to keep sight of what’s most important (to me, Torah and middos!), but we’ve been so fortunate to have had some amazing role models along the way, some of whom we’re still in contact with. I try to express my appreciation to them when I see them, but I wonder if they really understand what a profound effect they’ve had on our lives. It is a constant source of chizuk and gratitude for me just to have had such amazing people guide us over the years.
I would never, ever, post identifying info here, and I would also never, ever post things under a different screen name, i.e. Mod-80/Popa or Joseph.
(b”n?)
charlie brown – my eyes glazed over and it’s taken me 3 days to recover!
Mods!! I was promised there would be no math in the CR! Please delete this post immediately!
Good point, but you can’t count on girls OR boys to teach themselves middos. If the parents don’t display good middos, and the schools don’t teach good middos, and the rabbeim don’t talk about the importance of good middos, we can’t expect young people to grow up with good middos.
Best of luck, Goq. You can do it! One small change that I made that has been a huge help was switching from soda to seltzer. I always liked the taste of Diet Coke better than regular Coke anyway, but someone pointed out that Diet Coke still has all sorts of stuff that is bad for you – high fructose corn syrup (not at Pesach, I know), chemicals, and whatever makes it brown! Seltzer doesn’t have all that stuff. It’s definitely a different taste, but it could be an easier transition if the carbonation is something you’ll miss. Also, watch out for flavored “sparkling water” – they add artificial sweeteners, which can still cause cravings.
Real sugar is always better than artificial, but still best in small doses. Fruit naturally has a high sugar content, and someone told me that pineapple has the highest.
Go slow – one small change at a time will make it a lot more likely to become permanent. Good luck!!
There are non-Jews who are “that nice” everywhere, who are also deserving of our chesed. Maybe not so much in NY, but that’s NY!
Girls and boys both should be taught that Torah is middos. Girls should be taught how to teach middos to their future husbands and children !
A friend told me his rav said it was OK to buy a lottery ticket once in awhile, because how otherwise would Hashem be able to give it to you? So I asked MY rav, and he said: ONE!
-Before starting your first new thread on say, shidduchim or sheitels or loshon hora, go to http://j82.us/searchyw.php and search for the topic.
-when choosing a username, don’t pick one that contains “Joseph”. Trust us.
*aHEM!*
I may not start a new thread on someone’s spelling and/or grammar, but if it’s bad enough, I’ll make an honorable mention of it.
Cocoa Club, whatever. Just a place for the under-18 crowd to be.
A Cocoa Room. I beg you…
I still remember Shalhevet Pass, murdered Hevron March 26, 2001
How seriously is “seriously”? Depends on how you’re trying to represent yourself. If I tried to spout gemara I would be LOLed off the board, but I am almost as competent at grammar and spelling as haifagirl, and about now I should be an expert on being a BT.
Jothar: brilliant!
My screen name is pronounced with a flat midwestern accent, as opposed to the nasal Tri-State accent or the Yeshivish “woindering Choina”.
Junie B. Jones books were banned from my house from the time my oldest was in kindergarten. The poor grammar sets a terrible example for kids just learning to read/write. My kids aren’t even allowed to say the words “stupid” or “idiot”.
We will NEVER lease again. We got dinged for every little thing when we turned in a car we weren’t replacing. They are more forgiving when you’re trading in for a new lease. We own both of ours, and one is paid for.
Torah… duh! LOL
Tehillim
Birchas Hakohanim
Maoz Tzur
chutzpah
Crazy.
Bein_H: Perfect!
Oomis: Kol Hakavod!
akuperma: When I was growing up (pre-BT days), we knew to never bother going to houses where the porch light was off.
Once year, I got a pomegranate. I didn’t know what it was and tried to take a bite. BLECH!