Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
Feif: That doesn’t legitimize how she dressed.
Oh, and I’ve noticed you habitually follow up many of your controversial comments claiming some anonymous rabbi who you claim is famous does whatever you are advocating.
I don’t see Rabbi Frankfurter’s comment to imply that Chareidim intend to democratically (or otherwise) attempt to come to majority political power in the State of Israel. He seems to be speaking theoretically, not something he believe will happen in actuality.
I can only try: I’m unsure what you wrote in your still pending post, but whatever it is please understand there are poskim who permit copying when you would not have purchased the item. And I can name if so desired. It’s that simple. Please respect those poskim.
(And frankly, these poskim’s position is the basic halacha and more easily understood and sensible than those that forbid, imho. Those that forbid have to go into halachic tangles and knots to try to find some basis to forbid what is apparently halachicly allowed. But my main point here is that even if you disagree and go with other poskim that say otherwise, at least respect those that go with these poskim.
The producer is not losing anything by people who wouldn’t have purchased, making a personal copy. Obviously this is predicated on someone honestly assessing he would not have otherwise purchased it. As a side point (and this isn’t the main point), it’s not even simple that the entire problem of ???? ???? ?????? ?? ????? is an actual Halachic ?????. So why should the producer be unkind and purport to disallow rather than be kind and allow where he sustains no loss. Not even addressing the point that he has no halachic basis to disallow, as addressed in earlier comments.)
Actually the worst anti-religious were the Zionists. Especially the inventor of Ivrit, Eliezer Ben-Yehuda.
Yiddish, on the other hand, is spoken as a living language by hundreds of thousands and is learnt in as a primary Torah setting in many Yeshivas.
Curiosity: Because of the benefits?
Sam2: Google Mormon fundamentalist. They still marry multiple wives.
It’s a matter of psak din. And I don’t know how those three Rabbobim would have paskened. Do you have a mekor from ANY of them where they wrote a shaila and teshuva on this issue?
No, it is NOT pashut that it is assur. IF you would otherwise purchase the program, there is an issur of taking away business from the producer. (Though I believe this issur is only applicable towards a producer who is a Yid.) There is no other issur. And I’ve heard this psak from a Rov.
I understand Rav Belsky shlita paskens differently. And I respect that. And I respect your, and anyone else, following that psak. But that is not the only psak on this issue. Nor is it such a simple answer as you portray it.
Following the Dina D’malchusa in this case is a chumra because many Poskim hold that Dina Demalchusa applies only to laws that govern the relationship between you and the government (such as taxes etc), but for regular Bain Adam Lechaveiro tort laws we follow Choshen Mishpat, not Dina D’malchusa.
And yekke explained why it isn’t halachicly assur.
Check the website of the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics. The national data is all there.
And I still say you’re wrong. If you were correct all the chiloni Hebrew speakers should have a leg up in learning Torah. They don’t. In fact, the native Yiddish speakers have a leg up in the higher level Torah learning, as Yiddish is the language the higher level shiurim are given in Litvish Yeshivos. (In Chasidish Yeshivos, it is all Yiddish.)
There are 5.8 million Jews in Israel according to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics. Of those 3 million are Ashkenazim and 1.8 million are Sephardim/Mizrachim according to government statistics.
And a majority of Sephardim live in Israel. The overwhelmingly vast vast majority of Jews outside Israel are Ashkenazim. The only other countries with notable Sephardic populations are France with 300,000 Sephardim and the U.S. with 200,000. After that it is 50k in Argentina and 20k in Turkey. There is between 9-11.2 million worldwide Ashkenazim, with 5-6 million in the US alone.
Curiosity, you’re wrong. All the younger Gedolim, who were NOT born in Europe also speak Yiddish. As do their children. And all the great Litvish Yeshivos in EY teach in Yiddish. (I don’t have to mention the Chasidish.)
Also, the Ashkenaz / Sephard worldwide demographic breakdown is about 80% Ashkenaz / 20% Sephardic. In Israel it is only slightly less and you can check this with the Israeli Buerea of Statistics. Outside Israel it is even a much larger proportion of Ashkenaz. Before WWII it was even much greater difference. In 1931, 92% of Jews were Ashkenazic.
yekke2’s comments are halachicly correct and sound.
Almost all the Gedolim speak Yiddish, including:
Rav Aharon Leib Shteinman
Rav Yosef Shalom Eliashev
Ponevezh Roshei Yeshiva
Gerrer Rebbe
Belzer Rebbe
Klausenberger Rebbe
Rav Shmuel Auerbach
Rav Meir Tzvi Bergman
Rav Nissim Karelitz
Rav Yitzchok Sheiner
Rav Yitzchak Zilberstien
etc etc
Aside from gaslight’s exaggerated descriptions (how much choice in schooling do you really have locally?), there is nothing on either gaslight or yentingyenta’s list that Brooklyn lacks. And there is so much more in town.
There are Teimanim today that have more than one wife.
There are Temeinim today that have more than one wife.
The pasuk says you need two wives; not a second wife.
The rich could marry more than one wife.
WIY: A lot more than you think. For one, there is a shidduch crisis, where there are more girls in the shidduch market than guys. This is due to the age gap. And multiple wives is a good solution to the age gap crisis. And it will help many girls get married, where they otherwise could never have married.
For Ashkenazim, Cherem Rabbeinu Gershom expired. For Sephardim, they never had any prohibition to marry two wives.
I travel around the world and am glad to know Yiddish. It is often the only way I am able to communicate with my fellow Jew. (Whether Yekke, Litvak, Chosid, Oberlander, etc.)
That’s okay. But not when done AT THE EXPENSE OF THEIR CHILDREN. “Mental stimulation” does NOT justify abandoning your children to the shiksa baby sitter every day from when they come off the school bus until the evening without a Mom to care for them, because you want to “get out of the house and do somethibg a little more proffesional than feeding a toddler”.
That’s a krum outlook.
My point, obviously, was that it isn’t necessarily a good thing. In a certain sense the holocaust and the medina are a good thing; we’ll find out how these bad things are really good when Moshiach comes.
As far as Ma’ase Satan, a Ma’ase Satan is also Retzon HaBorei. So both the holocaust and the medina are Ma’ase Satan that is the Retzon HaBorei.
Did hashgacha pratis end in 1948? If the State of Israel exists, it’s obviously only because of the Retzon HaBorei
Did hashgacha pratis end in 70 CE? If the Eretz Yisroel was destroyed, it’s obviously only because of the Retzon HaBorei.
Did hashgacha pratis end in 1939? If the holocaust happened, it’s obviously only because of the Retzon HaBorei.
There’s a large baal teshuva community resident there.
ROB: It’s interesting that you mention Rav Zvi Hersh Kalisher. Rav Kalisher, when he wanted to make colonies in Palestine, defended his position by saying he has no intention of creating political independence, because it would be a violation of the shevuos. He insisted that he would never think of doing so if it means antagonizing the ruling powers of the land, as that would constitute a violation of the Shevuos. He said that others who have tried an “aliyah” idea earlier, who came illegally using force were nichshal and bordered on violating the shevuos – but he is not like them (writings, p.204).
As far as Rav Teichtal’s Eim Habonim Semeicha that you mention, it doesn’t contain anything new. It’s a collection of all the old Zionist arguments that have long been disproven. The truth is, his position stood no chance to begin with, because even though Rav Teichtel was a Talmid Chacham, he was opposing the collective Torah knowledge of the greatest Torah giants, including but not limited to Rav Chaim Brisker, Rav Samson Raphael Hirsh, The Chofetz Chaim, the Rogachover Gaon, The Lubavitcher Rebbe (Rashab), the Belzer Rebbe (R. Yisachar Dov), the Chazon Ish, the Brisker Rav, Rav Chaim Ozer Grodzensky, all who were opposed to Zionism and the creation of a State. So he was really quite outgunned from the start. The most extensive work on this topic is of course the Satmar Rav’s Vayoel Moshe, which disproves just about every Zionist “proof” ever conceived.
Example: On page 147 he addresses a powerful statement in Ahavas Yonason by R. Yonason Eyebuschitz ZT”L that it is absolutely prohibited for Jews to take over Eretz Yisroel before Moshiach, even if all the nations want them to, which is kind of a problem for a religious Zionist like Rabbi Teichtel. This is his response: “You should understand that the words of Rav Yonason only apply when there is no sign from heaven that we should all abandon the lands of Chutz Laaretz, meaning, when Jews can live peacefully outside of Eretz Yisroel … but not nowadays, when the words of the prophet came true, [that Jews will be hunted down by goyim]. So when the nations give us permission to return to our land, can there be any doubt that it is the will of Hashem that we return to Eretz Yisroel? I am certain, that if Rav Yonason Eyebushitz was living with us today and saw the terrible golus that we endure, he himself would say to us: ‘Brother Jews! The time has come for you to go to Eretz Yisroel, for this is the will of Hashem, for it is not coincidence what has happened to us in Golus, but rather it is the finger of G-d pointing to us to rise from golus…”
And it gets much, much, worse. This attitude that “everyone has to interpret the world the way I do” often passes the line into the realm of the absurd. On page 98 he deals with the Minchas Elozor, who was a vehement opponent of Zionism. He was vehemently critical in general, actually, when it came to protecting the Torah. And nobody was beyond his scrutiny. Here are some quotes:
The Zionists worked hand-in-hand in partnership with the Nazis in the annihilation of European Jewry. (i.e. Kastner and Eichmann.) After all, the Zionists said outright that they didn’t want old Jews or infirm Jews coming to Palestine. A cow is worth more to them than such Jews, they said.
It’s not an issue of supporting the medinah. It’s an issue of how to fight it. Those other Gedolim, such as Rav Ahron Kotler, the Klausenberger, the Vizhnitzer and the Gerrer Rebbes for example, opposed Zionism just as much as they did before the war. They just held that after ’48, the battle to prevent Israel from coming into existence is lost, the bad guys won, and we now need to fight Zionism on a different front. The way to do that is to try to obtain Hatzolah Purtah. if we cannot prevent Israel from coming into existence, let’s try to make sure it does minimal damage to Judaism. Frum Jews need to join the government and use whatever leverage the frum community has at its disposal to prevent bad decrees and to ensure the rights and the flourishing of the frum community. They held that joining the State was the best way to oppose Zionism and its bad effects. What changed was, before the State we had to oppose having anything to do with the Zionists. After the State, their goals are already accomplished, so now the best way to fight them is to join their State and make sure they don’t do more damage than necessary.
The Satmar Rebbe held that such an approach is not Hatzolah Purtah but rather makes you an accessory to the crime after the fact. He held that we still need to have nothing to do with the Zionists including joining their state.
Opposition to Zionism was not the issue. Opposition to joining the Zionists was.
Nothing being different sounds like a disbelief of techiyas hameisim.
eman: I would stay away from that guy. The ideas he expresses (elsewhere and potentially anywhere) is borderline apikorsus.
I can only try: Have you noticed that happen?
Someone who comes here boldly proclaiming “I am not frum at all…” “because I have chosen not to be frum…” is not a case off “someone who holds a less machmir shita”.
PuhLease: Someone who disregards the Torah has no legs to stand on to demand others give her respect based on Torah values. Furthermore, in fact the Torah does allow “name calling” of someone who routinely violates the Torah.
If you look at the UN website, you will find documents from Yidden living in Eretz Yisroel in the ’40’s, petitioning the UN to not create a “Jewish” State. Even then frum residents of EY were opposed.
Yes, prior to the advent of Zionism, with the Zionists riling up the Arabs to kill Jews, we did have access to the Kosel. But even if we didn’t, that wouldn’t justify creating the zionist state.
Goren was a bad apple. He not only tried to circumvent Jewish Law, he actually worked to increase mamzeirus by falsely mattiring mamzers.
Litigating in secular court division of assets, child support, visitation, or anything else for that matter is called arkoyos and is a serious violation of halacha (barring extenuating circumstances such as one party making it clear halacha has no meaning to him/her thus allowing a beis din to authorize the other party to denfed him/herself in court.)
Sam2: It’s a machlokes even if it was consensual on her part?
Is it done in front of the father’s house in all cases? I thought that was when the aveira occurred in his home. (i.e. Between the erusin and the nesuin.)
Sam2: Perhaps you missed what I wrote:
I said that some of them are things that you should actually be doing, as oppsoed to relying on minority opinions or precarious heteirim. Others are things that we apprently should be doing, but we dont simply because of historical precedent, even though we dont clearly understand the heter not to; still others are the opinions of some poskim, while others disagree.
My main point was that those are more halachicly well-founded than the case for Techeiles. If you want to take on chumras, at least take on those which make much more halachic sense. A good way to tell which are which, is to follow the lead of the great Gedolei Yisroel, those with the proper Yiras Shamayim and Torah perspective. This techeiles thing was not taken seriously by the overwhelming majority of our leaders. If you want to take on chumras, start with those that are not really chumras – first get rid of your kulos; then take on the chumras that are more halachicly weighty than this.
Btw, besides skipping a few from the list, how do you address that the Chazon Ish has a strong case for prohibiting using nails in your sukkah; a strong case exists for not opening and closing your refrigerator on shabbos; and some people hold you are not allwoed to wear glasses outdoors on shabbos.
Start taking on those chumras first. Then we can discuss techeiles.
In that vein, PuhLease, the guy who made the OTD guy feel like garbage is only an issue between that guy and the OTD guy, and no one else. So don’t bother us with his non-moichel thing, just as he doesn’t want to be bothered about his otd-aveiras.
Did the person who went off the derech yet seek mechila for going off the derech?
oy vey: He wasn’t a daas yochid at all, other than on some minor issues. On the illegitimacy issue, the others agreed with him. See my post here: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-was-the-national-anthem-or-g-d-bless-ameirica-not-sung-by-siyum-hashas/page/5#post-401162
The Chida writes that sometimes the Yetzer Horah convicnes us to do a good thing. He has his reasons – maybe he wants us to become baalei gaavah, or maybe he wants you to think youre better than other Jews who dont do whatever it is you are doing, or maybe he wants to distract you from the real issues you should be focusing on, whatever.
The Chidah says the way to tell whether our action are Yetzer tov-driven or Yetzer Horah-driven is to see whether they are consistent with our general spiritual standard of living. If they are not, if a certina hanhagah or chumrah is inconsistent with our general lifestyle, then it is probably the Yetzer Horah’s idea.
Thats my point here. One of the olden-day Roshei Yeshiva in YU, Rav Ueruchem Gorelick ZTL, a Rebbe of Rabbi Hershel Schechter who I know is into this techeiles, used to give a moshol for this:
A guy is at a wedding and everybody is laughing at him. He goes over to one of those guys laughing and asks him why hes laughiong. He sayd “look at you! youre missing your tie!”. He as wearing a facny tuxedo, but an open shirt with no tie.
That night after the wedding he gets undressed, gets into his pajamas and goes to bed, when he hears the doorbell ring. He gets up, goes to his drawer, puts on a black silk tie over his pajamas and answers the door.
At the door was the guy who was laughing at him by the wedding, standing there, laughing at him again.
“Why are you laughing at me now?” he says.
“Because youre wearing a tie” he answers.
“What? You must be crazy, the guy in pajamas says. First you laught at me because I am wearing a tie, and now you laugh at me because I am not wearing a tie. Make up your mind!”
The answer is, if youre wearing a tuzedo, a tie is a goo thing. If youre wearing pajamas, a tie is weird.
Same thing with our nehsoma. Certain actions are nothgin but weird even if they are chumras, becuase they make no sense in context of our lifestyle. Its liek were in pajamas and suddenly we become so frum regarding this one little thing. It shows theres somethgin wrong with the way we look at ourselves and our religiousness. If we had a healthy outlook, wed bother with other things first.
So if someone like Rav Elyashev shakes his head at this techeiles nad says its nothing at all to be concerned about, that theres zero reason to bother with it, your “in case its a good thing” attitude is misplaced. And if you were living a lifestyle like that, it would still be unrealistic, but at least it would be consistent. As it is, I think you should reconsdier the whole idea totally.
Oh, and of course certain doors need two mezuzos – one on each side, to fulfill disagreeing opinions.
(And I didnt even mention chodosh…)
This techieles wasnt even accepted as a real shitah. There are seriosu quesitoins as to whether it is real, before you get to the Arizal. Its really not worth doing.
And you dont need any brachah to wait 72 minutes after shabbos. I think whoever told you think probably means hataras nedorim anyway, nto a brachah. But you dont need any such thing. Theres no minhag in anybodys family to do melachah right after shabbos. Teh majority of Rishonim, inclusing the shulchan aruch and the nosei keilim, hold that shabbos ends 72 minutes after shkiyah. It is a quesiton of sofek chilul shabbos.
The Arizal says that techeiles only applies during the days of the Bais Hamikdahs. Rav Elyashev shlita wrote a lengthy, as-yet unpublished teshuva (as far as I know) about today’s techeiles to Rav Feivel Cohen, explaining at leangth why we do not use it. The Arizal is one of the reasons he brings.
The Arizal is difficult to understand: what does the bais hamikdash have to do with techeiles? There is an explanation on this by the Satmar Rav ZTL: Chazal say that the value of the techeiles color is that “techeiles is similar to the sea, which is similar to the sky, which is similar to Hashem’s throne of glory.” But Chazal also say that “since the Bais Hamikdash was destroyed, the sky has not been seen in its pure color”. Ergo: Techeiles is no longer “similar to the sky” and therefore no longer similar to Hashems “throne of glory” after the churban.
As for the YU rabbis and the rest, Rav Elyashev said they’re wrong. And he, being much greater than all of those Rabbis, says its useless to wear the Techeiles, meaning, no, don’t follow their example.
For the record, one of those modern rabbis is going around dismissing the Arizal because some sages in the Gemora after the churban worse techeiles. The fact that they use such reasoning – that the Arizal doesnt count based on what you see in the Gemora – is itself a reason not to follow them. We cant dismiss the words of the Arizal because we think we know better. Just because they cant think of an asnwer to the Arizal doesnt mean someone else cant. Bishvil kushya lo yishtaneh hadin – the Halachah doesnt change because you dont understand it.
(And even were we to accept their challenge to the Arizal, it is satisfactorily answered, as per above. So no more problem with the Arizal and the Gemora.)
Rav Shach ZTL writes regarding a certain issue, that if the Chazon Ish didnt think there is any reason to do it, and that doing it doesn’t benefit you in any way, someone who thinks he knows better “needs bedikah”. The same thing applies here. If Rav Elyashev, after hearing the case for techeiles, said theres no reason to wear it, and more, that we should not, because Klall Yisroel throughout the generations apprently ruled like the Arizal, then we dont do it. (And its not as if these rabbis have any reason why we should not follow the Arizal – as I said, their “problem” with the Gemora is quite answerable).
If you want chumras, the Chazon Ish has a strong case for prohibiting using nails in your sukkah; a strong case exists for not opening and closing your refrigerator on shabbos; some people hold you are not allwoed to wear glasses outdoors on shabbos.
If you really want to take on an important halachic behavior, follow Rabbeinu Tam’s shitah of Motzoi Shabbos – there you have the majority of Rishonim, plus the shulchan aruch, holding that if you end shabbos with the “early zman” you are a mechalel shabbos.
Let’s get a perspective here.
If you want to take on chumras, at least take on those which make much more halachic sense. A good way to tell which are which, is to follow the lead of the great Gedolei Yisroel, those with the proper Yiras Shamayim and Torah perspective. And thats excactly what Rav Elyashev is saying — believe me, he is more religious than you or I, and he is much more careful about violating and minotiry shitos. This techeiles thing was not taken seriously by the overwhelming majority of our leaders. If you want to take on chumras, start with those that are not really chumras – first get rid of your kulos; then take on the chumras that are more halachicly weighty than this.
Here is a small, starting-out “Action plan” for you of behaviors that are more halachicly well-founded than the case for Techeiles. Some of them are things that you should actually be doing, as oppsoed to relying on minority opinions or precarious heteirim. Others are things that we apprently should be doing, but we dont simply because of historical precedent, even though we dont clearly understand the heter not to; still others are the opinions of some poskim, while others disagree.
1) Wait 72 minutes before you end Shabbos
2) Dont eat chodosh
3) Dont let your wife wear transparent stockings
4) Do Birkas Kohanim every day, even in Chutz Laaretz
5) Do hagbaah before leining also
6) Wash for a davar shetivulo b’mashkeh
7) Specifically designate 2 witnesses by the badeken, like you do under the chupah
8) Wear a talis, even if you are not married
9) Dont use nails to support the walls of your sukkah
10) Dont let anybody Jewish use your credit card except you
11) Dont return something to a Jewish vendor for a refund, even if it was bought with a satisfaction-guaranteed, money-back deal.
12) In fact, dont even buy something with a 30-day (or whatever) satisfaction guaranteed or your money back deal.
My list is only the beginning, only a small moshol. We’re talking about an entire lifestyle that you are not living. Unless, you are one of the Gedolie Hador, and even then, Rav Elyashev doesnt think the case for techeiles is valid enough for him to worry about it.
The Oaths were the core of the opposition to creating a Jewish State by all the Gedolim, not only Satmar. Rav Samson Raphael Hirsch speaks about them extensively regarding his oppostition to Zionism in Chorev, the Lubavitcher Rebbe (Rashab) mentions says so, too, in his famous letter in Daas HaRabanim. Reb Elchonon Wasserman brings them in his Ikvesa D’Meshichah, and Rav Shach and the Steipler make mention of this as well in their letters.
Other Gedolim have said the same thing as well. In the famous letter of the Rebeb Rashab of Lubavitch about the Zionists, he writes clearly that even if they would all be nice religious Jews, it woudl not change anything. Their being heretics is emphasized because thats easy enough to see and understand even withotu any great Torah knowledge, and it is uncontrovertable even by the most confusing and confused Zionist. Its black and white.
The material there almost duplicates the Daas of the other Gedolim on all the core issues, such as, the prohibition of creating a State before moshiach comes, the violation of the Oaths etc. The disagreement between Satmar and other Gedolim are only on minor issues such as voting in the elections, being part of the government and taking money from them. And even in those issues, there is no unanimity among the authorities even outside Satmar.
The very possession of governmental control in Eretz Yisroel is a sin. The opposition to Zionism extends only to governmental control over EY, and to the idea of a Jewish “homeland” before Moshiach. Living in Eretz Yisroel has nothgin to do with Zionism c”v, and the reason for it is to fulfill the Mitzvos or the land, to live in its holiness, and, acocrding to some opinions, to fulfill the Mitzvah of living in EY which may apply nowadays. These Mitzvos and concpets applied equally before there was a Medinah as they do after. And they apply today to someone who lives in Southern Lebanon, which Halachicly is part of Eretz Yisroel, as much as in Tel Aviv.
Opposition to the government is due to the fact that there is much to oppose there. The heretics that run the government there have no right to violate the Torah, and no right to put Jews in danger, and no right to even present themselevs or their Medinah as representative of the Jewish People. All Jews have a right to live in Eretz Yisroel and fulfill the Torah – including opposing the government where appropriate – and no elected officials have a right to tell them they cant.
The Zionists were warned by the Gedolim that is they go through with their idea of making a Jewish State in Eretz Yisroel, they will be surrounded by hundreds of millions of Arabs, who were instigated by the Zionists’ threat of taking away the land where they live and making it into a Jewish State, into becomeing bloodthirsty enemies of the Jews, which will result in endless slaughter of Jewish lives. They heard this would happen but not being religious, they thought that having our own land will make us just like everyone else, and we will not be hated any longer. Our Tzadikim understood that anti-semitism hsa nothgin to do with social issues but rathre is a spiritual reality and that the “we-will-blow-you-all-up-with-our-tanks-if-you-start-up-with-us” attitude of the Zionists only serves to put Jewish lives all over the world in danger and just increase anti-semitism. Which it did.
So now you ask what to do? I dont know. I dont think there is a anything to do to “solve” the problem. We need to constantly see what to do to protect each and every Jew in EY and elsewhere, but the problem of the Arabs wanting the land will not be solved. And it cannot be solved by abolishing the Medinah because due to the behavior of the Zionists over the past 50 years the Arabs now hate our guts and want to kill us all, which makes giving the Medinah to the Arabs a terrible idea. After the Medinah was created, there was no going back. The problem was created, and, al pi derech hatevah, will be with us till Mohsiach comes. Only Hashem can get us out of this one. We have to return to Him with all our hearts and pray for His salvation.
roberlin: Repeating yourself over and over and over while ignoring the many many proofs brought and cited here doesn’t help, even if you subscribe to the idea that if you repeat a lie often enough some people will believe it.
Regarding the seven sources already brought, here is part of the Rambam:
???? ???? ???? ?”? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ???
And as Shlomo HaMelech knew with divine inspiration that the Jewish People would face the consequences of this and that suffering would come upon them, and warned the Jewish People not to do this (i.e. violate the Three Oaths), and made them swear not to commit these acts, as it is written in Shir Hashirim, 3,5: I made you swear Daughters of Jerusalem by the deer and gazelles of the field should you arouse or awaken love until it is so desired.
Therefore, you, dear brethren, must accept the Oath and do not attempt to arouse the love until the proper time when the Alm-ghty shall remember us and you with his trait of mercy to gather his portion from Exile to behold his glory at his holy Temple and redeem us from the Valley of the shadow of Death where he has placed us, thereby removing the darkness from our eyes and the fog from our hearts.
Maharal:
????? ‘????? ?? ???’ ????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ???, ???? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ???, ?????? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ?????. ?? ???? ?? ???, ?? ?? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????, ?? ??? ?????. ???? ????? ‘????? ?? ???’, ???? ???? ?? ?? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ???, ?? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ???. ??? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ????, ??? ????? ??
I gave you seven maare mekomos of psak halacha, regarding the oaths, plus an exact quote from one. Look earlier in the thread for the seven maare mekomos. Here is the exact quote again.
Maharal, Netzach Yisrael, Ch. 24:
?? ????? ‘????? ?? ???’ ????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ???, ???? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ???, ?????? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ?????. ?? ???? ?? ???, ?? ?? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????, ?? ??? ?????. ???? ????? ‘????? ?? ???’, ???? ???? ?? ?? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ???, ?? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ???. ??? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ????, ??? ????? ??
See the previous page where a partial list of where the Oaths are brought down as halacha, including by the Rambam (Igeres Taimon), Ramban, Megilas Esther on Sefer HaMitzvos of Rambam, Piskei Riaz, Rivash, Rashbash, and the Maharal is cited.
And you are better at determining who is a godol? If not, how do you think he is one? Ah, you determined it. And, of course, only you can say he is a godol, and no one else can say he is not. Got it.
In any event, he was never considered a godol, even in his lifetime. As I said, he is a talmid chochom. But not every TC is a godol.
Why is the term a “modern orthodox bungalow colony” inevitably a euphemism that they have mixed swimming?