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  • in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014421
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    as in how much money are we talking about?

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014419
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    yeah, but my mom only resorted to bribery because my seminary year completely flopped and I told her I want to take another year off, so she freaked out because she feels I will never end up going to college.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014415
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    Right, I mean we could say that when my mom tells me that “you will go to college, or I will cut you off” that that is considered brainwashing, but then, when my mom started bribing me to go to college, I didn’t hesitate to start looking at schools, anyone know of good Jewish colleges in brooklyn that don’t charge a ton of money, I have a full time job starting at the beginning of may, so I need to take part time evening classes. Preferably somewhere where they won’t brainwash me, no pun intended.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014394
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    Its much more complicated than that…

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014390
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    So your saying my friend could have just switched there and she would have been fine (she leads a very different lifestyle from her family, so there is a TV in her house, but she never goes near it, and she keeps on experimenting with internet filters for her electronic devices, its just hard to find a free one that works. She would have had a way to get accommodations made about the TV part, but she thought she would have had to get rid of the internet completely…

    Also, I apologize for any lashon hara about either school, I actually went to HSBY for a year, and went to a different school in a different town for the rest of high school, so I don’t really know so much.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014388
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    Conspiring to make a bais yaakov girl fail in life when your job is to be her teacher in a school setting, and then after she graduates making yourself in her eyes so powerful that you have been given ultimate control over things you should not have control over is one technique to brainwash someone.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014384
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    nope, but she made us all spend quality time together reading all the harry potter books as a mishpacha.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014382
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    oh

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014379
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    My mom said that. Like you get asked questions on tests like what color tie the professor was wearing on the first day of class as a part of the final exam.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014373
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    “Going to general college and having to put up with their agendas, whether it’s Woman’s Lib or the Toeiva agenda, Is Not fine. As a matter of fact it’s disgusting. People are there for a degree, not to be pounded against their will with s/o else’s beliefs or viewpoints.”

    And then they get graded on tests based on random information.

    in reply to: Brainwashing in College #943330
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    I think it would depend on how you look at it.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014371
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    gefen: Do you know the girl from chicago? I don’t really want to post the link for her own privacy. She is going through a tough time now.

    in reply to: Linkedin vs. Facebook #946844
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    Linked in is for professionals, Facebook is for social life. I haven’t gotten a job from linked in, but i have about 100 connections, so by the time I need to get a real job that will pay a decent amount, I will have an easier time finding a job.

    in reply to: The Sefiras Ha'Omar game!! #949727
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    There are 24 hours in a day…

    12 years old bas mitzvah.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014363
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    So you brainwash your graduate students and junior faculty?

    in reply to: Hebrew books #942822
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    How about Dr. Seuss books?

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014360
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    I hear, but those people don’t typically get married until their late 20’s early thirties. Like my mom is financially supporting me to a certain extent because she feels that I have been so resistant to going to college that she needs to bribe me.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014358
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    What about bais yaakov colleges? I mean, I plan on going to brooklyn college.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014355
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    But some people might argue with that because they just simply can’t afford to have a husband sit and learn without contributing towards family finances, we are a part of a society that appears to expect girls to get married when they are 19, rabbis won’t let young couples use birth control in many cases, not everyone’s parents can afford go support married children, then nine months later, the wife gives birth to her first child and she might not even be twenty years old, and raising a child is expensive and suddenly they end up on food stamps, yet many by schools will hammer into their students that living this type of lifestyle is the only way to be considered successful. Is there anything not messed up about that.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014353
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    On the other hand, in public high schools, they often not only encourage class discussions, but they might have an english class get into a circle, and each student is given three note cards, and its a graded discussion where each time the student says something, they have to write their name, and what they said on one of their note cards and toss it into the floor, and if they did not use up all three of their cards to say intelligent things, based on what the teacher remembers/ read from the card, then they get a bad grade for the class discussion, so in order to make the discussion last the whole period, people have to argue to a degree about what is being discussed (for example, if the class was to discuss if regents should still be required as a standardized test for all new yorkers when no other state has that type of intense graduation requirement, some people might say that it is still a good thing to do, and other people might counter and say “Why should my parents have to invest thousands of dollars every year in order for me to take prep classes so I can answer a 50 question test about a subject that I took and the test has random questions on it, just so I can graduate high school with the “right diploma” when no other states require this?”

    Are people saying that this would not be tolerated in a Jewish school about a Jewish topic?

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014351
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    It might not be, but it depends on the school and the teacher. Some classes have a dynamic that allows students to argue about controversial topics based on course content, and in others, the class gets in trouble if that dynamic exists and the class tries to act on it.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014337
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    My mom said I was brainwashed by the bais yaakov I went to. Also, none of you are me, so you have no idea what really went on on my part when these incidents happened. I was considered chutzpadik for politely asking a question.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014315
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    I never signed up for any organ donation industry. Basically, the non-Jewish public school teacher gave inaccurate information in order to convince Jewish kids to sign up for the organ donation registry. I said that if you do that, then they will most likely take organs that based on Jewish law, are not permitted to be donated, such as your heart, therefore, Jewish people should not sign up for the national organ donor registry. The public school teacher was open to accepting my feedback and correction, and I said this to her during class while she was teaching.

    I went up to the teacher from the bais yaakov after class to ask for clarification about some information that I was reading about a gadol for my school project, I was very polite, but after I asked the question, she gave me a whole lecture about how I was putting down the gadol (when I was asking a question because I did not understand something) and said I was chutzpadik and how dare I ask such a question. When I took the final exam at the end of the semester, which I had to make up because I was sick on the original test date, I was granted including extended time, an hour and twenty minutes to take the exam, and she spent an hour lecturing me about how I was wrong to ask that question (two months after I asked it) and I only had 15-20 minutes to take the exam, and I failed. I almost did not graduate high school because of that exam.

    in reply to: Pesach is over! CHAMETZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #1074727
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    I don’t get it. Were they eating the cereal?

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014310
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    At least the one I went to did. I have sit in on classes at public high schools for various summer school electives, and those classes were very anti-religion. I took an intro to health care careers class, and the teachers would tell us about how the common Jewish belief that it is wrong to donate organs such as your heart, is not true. And they tried to get me to sign up on the organ donor registry for my state. I didn’t fall into that trap, but still, I understood that they were wrong, and I corrected the teacher, and she apologized for giving the wrong information because as a person who was not Jewish, she would have had no clue.

    In a Bais Yaakov, I was assigned to do a report on a gadol, and I wanted to seek clarification from my teacher about something I read in the book about the gadol, and she went ballistic and said that I was so chutzpadik (and I asked her politely!) and how dare I question a gadol, and she went on and on, and then when I tool the final exam (which I had to make up because I was sick on the actual day), she gave me an hour lecture, so I only had fifteen minutes to complete the exam, and then I failed the exam, I am lucky I graduated because of that exam.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014305
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    Meaning having the belief they can succeed.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014303
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    brainwashing someone into not believing in her self is really bad.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014300
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    yeah, i didn’t mean anything like what people in terrorist societies do. People in bais yaakovs aren’t terrorists.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014296
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    I mean that we spend so much time in school that our schools have such a big influence on our lives, but sometimes schools do not take into consideration a student’s family situation, or background and may say something that the student will get stuck on, but is not right for the student to hear and then the student’s reaction will not be a good one and then things get chaotic because of something the school said in front of that student.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014292
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    My definition of brain washing in this case is that, for me at least, and some of the secular teachers pointed it out at the school I went to, we would be told about how we HAVE to do ____________ and if we don’t do it in our future, it will cause harm to society, also, I usually have questions, and even though, I didn’t ask most of the questions I had in high school to my teachers, the ones I would ask, I would end up in a ton of trouble for them.

    Personally, I think the fact that people say asking questions is bad needs to end and when it changes to “as Jews, we need to understand the religion we are practicing, ask away!”, then I won’t be as bothered by the bais yaakov movement. I still cover my legs and stuff like that, but its just that the system of chinuch is so mind boggling, and I am sure that might not be exactly the same for every school, however, take the girl in chicago that I mentioned in a different thread, she literally had no choice about which bais yaakov to go to, and she did not do well there, but was stuck there because of her hashkafa, when she graduated, she had a major identity crisis, and that has caused her a number of issues that she wants to sort out.

    Unfortunately, I highly doubt she is the only one in the entire system that had that issue. On top of that, this can even happen in yeshivas, my cousin went to a black hat yeshiva for a year and he had similar issues to that girl, now he is doing fine, but only because he ended up not going to a Jewish college. Still shomer shabbos.

    There needs to be someone who knows about all the schools in a community that can help people choose the right school for them so that they don’t have these issues. There is more to a school than the hashkafa.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014275
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    I did go to a bais Yaakov, and there were good things I learned there, and there were things that were bad, don’t get me wrong, I made amazing friends in school, I just never felt like I could completely connect to the movement, there are other bags Yaakov besides bjj

    in reply to: Good Communities Outside of NY #1153504
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    *Your

    in reply to: Good Communities Outside of NY #1153502
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    But you can always take train rides through Amtrak I am taking a twenty two hour train ride from new York to somewhere else, they even let you bring liquid and food on the train so you could bring tour own kosher food on the train and save money on liquids

    in reply to: Beitar Illit Boys Fall Into Pit #942565
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    Nope but that is absolutely awful

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014259
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    People attempted to brain Wash me in seminary, I had a gut feeling I was allergic to sunflower seeds but kept on eating them so I wouldn’t be able to go to class and be brain washed.

    in reply to: Brainwashing as Part of Chinuch #1014257
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    Also, there are for sure ways to improve the situation.

    in reply to: Good Communities Outside of NY #1153495
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    I feel like constantly refreshing this page.

    in reply to: Emunah Help? #1194801
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    Garden of emunah

    in reply to: Good Communities Outside of NY #1153494
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    If you paid attention to my original post on this thread, I said that you need to check out the schools to determine which is right for you.

    I mean if you put it into context, the girl I got most of my information from no longer enjoys learning Torah or davening and is having some serious religious issues,but everyone thinks she is a really good girl so she isn’t able to get the help she needs. Maybe other girls had better experiences at the schools.j

    in reply to: Pesach is over! CHAMETZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #1074725
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    Yeah, but Baruch Hashem I have a very high metabolism and a severe case of adhd so I get hyper if I don’t eat a lot and I work out a lot, but Matza isn’t good for me. Also I get reactions to chalav stam milk so I have to drink chalav Yisrael milk, but I can still eat stuff like Ben and Jerry’s.

    in reply to: Israel Gap Program, Conversion, Army Questions #943927
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    STOP! We are missing a very critical point here! Halachically, one’s yiddishkeit is passed on to them by their MOTHER, not their father.

    in reply to: Pesach is over! CHAMETZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #1074717
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    I had ice cream sandwiches and a bagel with (Temp Tee) cream cheese.

    in reply to: Good Communities Outside of NY #1153464
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    I have a bunch of friends who went to hanna sacks, and I have been in the school building myself. The girls are very nice, however, my friends all had issues with the administration that, if I would have gone there, I would have ended up switching to Ida crown (the modern co-ed school) because I was not a hashkafic fit for bais yaakov high school at the time. The girls are only allowed to wear, clear, french manicure, or pale pink nail polish to school, or no nail polish. Otherwise, they make you take it off. There are ten different uniform shirts, grey skirts, navy, and ugly plaid skirt (they phased out green skirts and replaced with grey), you could probably come up with a different outfit every day for a month if you get every single item from the uniform store. You are allowed to have internet in your house, you have to turn in your cell phone to the office at the beginning of every school day, their erev shira is mandatory, or your substandard (I know someone who dropped out, and the school tried to prevent her from being successful in school, she had learning differences to, so it wasn’t even easy for her to go to school all day to begin with). The school day is from 8:15-5:22 pm. Most of the teachers are very nice, but sometimes, my friends have told me that the administration almost made it not worth going to school there- or at least that is how they felt at times. On the plus side, on Rosh Chodesh, you can wear whatever you want, as long as it isn’t denim and does not have words on it.

    Bais Yaakov high school, starts their school day at 8:30 and ends at 4:30. Girls are not allowed to have internet in their homes, I have heard from my friends there that the administration there is on the opposite extreme and doesn’t always notice, or attempt to deal with issues girls have. They have significantly fewer options for uniforms. On Rosh Chodesh, you are allowed to wear any white shirt you want, there are restrictions on colors you can wear outside of school, and some other rules.

    Basically, there are plusses and minuses to each school, you really need to check them out before making the decision to move there, or you might want to consider sending your children to schools outside of chicago for high school. In terms of issues with administrations as mentioned above, they aren’t biased at either school about which girls are affected by their “unofficial issue treatment policy” I feel that you really need to know who is teaching the classes more than the hanhala. But thats just my take on it.

    in reply to: Stomach Cramps…On Pesach #942092
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    Or in my case, chocolate and other unhealthy foods because I am allergic to most healthy food.

    in reply to: Buchorim Wearing Designer Clothing #971174
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    And then you have to worry about the hat brushes, and other things, an most men own at least two. One for shabbos, and one for weekday.

    in reply to: English speaking yeshiva for beginners #943655
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    Try contacting oorah. You can get a big scholarship for attending an eleven day summer camp towards attending yeshiva in Israel, including stipend. They can even help you find an appropriate Yeshiva for what you need. Even if you only get the financial grant for shana aleph, the camp will help you learn about the chareidi community in a kiruv environment, and I feel it would be very beneficial to you. Don’t rely on people from this website to give you advice if they have never, at least, spoken to you on the phone about your life. Its totally worth it. They have an office in Lakewood, I know a lot of girls and some guys who got tuition assistance from oorah and it made a big difference financially for them for their year in seminary/ yeshiva.

    in reply to: Stomach Cramps…On Pesach #942084
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    My stomach cramps actually went away this pesach, apparently I am allergic to kitniot, like sunflower seeds and popcorn…

    in reply to: Yeshivas To Date From #937620
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    cool beans, I can’t believe that I am at that point hashkafically, but I have also grown a lot religiously over the past few years.

    in reply to: Yeshivas To Date From #937618
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    i hear, i am just wondering about hashkafic compatibility.

    in reply to: Make Up – Kosher L'Pesach #937598
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    ok, sounds good. Am I only required to get Kosher for pesach lipstick for pesach, or do I have to get everything else kosher for pesach as well?

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