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It’s time to shut doomsday down. She keeps repeating the same stuff that has been disproven by others over and over again. She keeps quoting her 157 studies which numerous people have debunked. She ignores the comments and just says the same thing over and over again. I think we should stop responding to her. We are only encouraging her childish illogical behavior. We need to deal with her the same way we deal with our little children-you don’t argue with them. If everyone would just stop responding to her she would have no forum in which to continue her idiotic illogical unscientific comments. Let’s stop encouraging her nonsense once and for all. She hasn’t said anything new for the past 800 posts!
Dooms keeps mentioning Scheibner and her magic machine. Scheibner couldn’t even get through medical school (ONLY ONE year)! She’s a geologist, to be exact a micro-paleontologist (someone who studies microfossils). And even THAT degree she got from the University of Bratislava! Can you believe it?? What a joke!!! She has ZERO credibility in pediatrics or medicine, consistent with everything Dooms posts. But, I can’t believe she keeps referencing Scheibner when I explained to her many posts ago that Scheibner’s comments are useless as she knows nothing about medicine but of course Dooms doesn’t listen. What Scheibner HAS done is amassed lots of money supporting the anti-vaxxer cult. And this gives me an opportunity to point out that many of the “star doctors,” “star scientists,” and “star researchers” – and “star lawyers” – NONE of whom are stars – that the anti-vaxxer group keeps quoting are in it ONLY for the money!!! And they are making LOTS of it – more than most of the government researchers and Pharmaceutical employees that the anti-vaxxers keep putting down. Wakefield the shamed evil charlatan is a prime example. So, as I’ve tried to teach Doomsey before, she only proves the weakness of her arguments by needing to scrape the bottom of the barrel and pull “scientists” like geologists out of the sewer to try to make her very flawed pathetic case.
To all the normal people in this conversation: I just want to call your attention to a new piece of junk that is being posted around town. It is titled “Junk food has a negative affect on your immune system” (the misspelling of “effect” is on the trashy letter, not my doing-since they don’t know any science, I wouldn’t expect them to be able to spell either) . This paper is actually a slimy anti-vaccine paper that, like all the others, is non-scientific sleazy trash. B”H, we were able to tear this one down from the bulletin board in shul where someone posted it (without any authorization). In case this is part of a new tactic by these idiots, I wanted to bring it to your attention so that if you see one you can tear it down and destroy it before it does any damage. What garbage! You can just destroy it along with the missionary materials that have been sent recently to homes in Lakewood since the two are basically the same thing, and it’s not clear to me which is worse. Just wanted to let you know to be on the lookout for this rubbish.
Yserbius: you’re correct. I meant valid as related to any vaccine-autism link.
Yserbius: just want to give you the correct answers (you can ignore Doomsay-she doesn’t know anything about science). Re: Dr. Scheibner-she’s not a real doctor-didn’t get past the first year of med school. Her doctorate from the university of Bratislava is in geology. So, you can disregard anything she said. She clearly has zero to contribute about vaccines (unless you are injecting dirt and stones-her expertise). As for the purported 157 autism studies, those who say there are no studies, they are correct. Any studies that are not valid, like those 157, can just be disregarded. Science does not consider invalid studies to be studies. So those who say there are no studies are correct.
Oh, and one more very important point from the bio of Doomsey’s #1 “vaccine specialist” – Dr. Scheibner: She received her GEOLOGY DEGREE (yep, that’s right – geology) from the University of Bratislava! Somehow, I don’t think that’s quite on the level of Harvard, Yale, Hopkins, Columbia, Penn – the places where the REAL vaccine experts trained! The anti-vaxxer cult will stoop to whatever it takes to make up science to support their ignorant positions!
Hey guys! Doomsey is REALLY scraping the bottom of the barrel. She is quoting Dr. Scheibner? So you know who Dr. Scheibner is?
Although it does seem like she went to medical school, it was for ONLY ONE YEAR!, so she is not even close to being an M.D.!!!
So , you know what she really is???
Dr. Viera Scheibner did receive a doctorate – it was from the Department of Geology and Palaeontology. She is a micro-paleontologist! WHAT A JOKE!!! DOOMSEY CANT EVEN FIND ANY REAL DOCTORS TO BACK UP HER IDIOTIC COMMENTS!!! SHE HAS SUNK TO QUOTING MICROPALEONTOGISTS!!!
ARE YOU LAUGHING AS LOUDLY AS I AM???? What idiocy!Please stop yelling.
Oh, and if you want to know a REAL important fact about Doomsey’s vaccine EXPERT, Scheibner, she published the world-famous “Cretaceous Foraminifera of the Indian Ocean,” published in a monograph entitled Synopsis of the DSDP in the Indian Ocean. Now THERE’S something she may be able to speak intelligibly about (but who would listen? :-):-):-). ). This is Doomsey’s #1 expert!! Are you still laughing? I sure am!
Doomsday: THE TRUTH IS OUT! YOUR CHILDREN ARE GROWN! YOU HAVE “NO SKIN IN THE GAME”! NO WONDER YOU CAN SPOUT YOUR MONSENSICAL NON-SCIENCE ARGUMENTS. YIU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY! THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN STATE AT THIS JUNCTURE WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE DONE IF YOUR CHILDREN LIVED IN THE VACCINE ERA. GIVE IT UP! YOUVE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY! (Yes, I’m shouting because Doomsey’s revelation deserves a shout-out – she’s a TOTAL FAKER!!!)
The Little I Know: EXCELLENT post and I second it. And though I have posted a lot myself, I think that, at this stage of the game you are right and there is no purpose to proceed until the verification you suggested occurs. Thanks for the voice of reason.
Doomsday:
Vaccinator: No, you don’t have the right to decide what you do with the bodies of your children.Vaccinator, who does get to make medical decisions for our children? The Parents or The Government?
The answer is: The Torah, parents, and the government. It is most definitely NOT just the parents- as I said, you do NOT own your children. And we know that if parents are not being responsible in caring for their children, the children will be taken away. That is the responsibility of a society (ie, government). You can’t throw your children out the window even if in your warped mind you think that’s best for them. The Torah tells us we need to follow the majority and we need to take care of our bodies – and the Halacha gives great priority to doctors’ opinions. It is nearly unanimous among doctors that vaccinations are required (in spite of all your speculations about how many doctors feel “deep in their hearts but not willing to say it publicly” that they don’t believe in them). So, yes, in this case, those who know better than uninformed parents like your anti-vaxxers (and all your posts have shown that you are very very uninformed) are nearly unanimous in their opinion, yes, we are required to listen to them.
And, in more direct response to your question (who gets to make the medical decisions for our children), if we are talking about parents like you, then government (or just about anyone else) is in a better position to make responsible, caring decisions for the children, rather than having you follow a personal agenda and philosophy that has nothing to do with caring about the children but rather simply fighting the establishment like the 1960s hippies. If you care about your children, you’ll get them vaccinated as soon as possible. You’ve lost the argument.And although you don’t care about the rest of the world, in 2017 (just last year) there were 110,000 deaths worldwide from measles. Measles is a DEADLY disease!!
Doomsday: you NEVER did the assignment I gave you. YOU NEED TO LOOK UP SPURIOUS CORRELATUON! It it IDIOTIC to attribute the things you mention to vaccines! IDIOTIC! Lots of stuff has changed during that time! Correlation is not causality! Go learn 5the grade science! And thank you for pointing out the zero deaths from measles because you have proven the great success due entirely to vaccination. Thank you for admitting it!
Kavod habriot: don’t be an idiot! No, you don’t have the right to decide what you do with the bodies of your children. They are human beings, not property. You can’t decide to throw them off the roof. You can’t decide not to use seat belts. And you can’t decide not to protect them against dangerous diseases.
Being sued means nothing. Anyone can sue anybody at anytime for anything. And people usually sue companies because they have money. Most lawsuits never get to court. To imply that there’s fraud because a company gets sued for fraud shows that you know nothing about the legal system.
Dooms: STOP LYING – NOW!!! Don’t state stuff that can easily be verified. Doctors cannot lose their license for not vaccinating!!! That’s easy to verify in the state boards of medicine (they’re the ones that determine the laws for the doctors and determine what you can lose your license for). AGAIN, READ MY LIPS!!! YOU CANNOT – I REPEAT SO YOU HEAR IT THIS TIME – YOU CANNOT – LOSE YOUR LICENSE FOR NOT VACCINATING. You’ll need to look at each of the 50 states’ laws to prove it to yourself – and you’ll needs lots of help with the words because they’re way above your reading level – but once you get through them, you’ll find that there is no such law. Another LIE from the anti-vaxxers CULT! One of VERY MANY MANTRAS the anti-vaxxers promulgate.
Doomsday: anyone who’s afraid to speak out is useless. You can make up any number you want when you say they’re scared to speak out. Like the fools who say “I have a gadol who’s against vaccines, but he doesn’t want to say it publicly!” Obviously that too is useless. I’ll go with your original 150 – that’s the REAL number. As I said, 0.014%. HaHaHa!!!
Oh, and by the way, Doomsey, NO doctor EVER saw with his/her own eyes children dropping dead or regressing into autism after vaccination. None. Period. More fake news/fake science from the CULT. Give it up, Doomsey. Your case is lost.
Sorry, Doomsey, there are NO ORDERS for doctors in medicine. Nothing. Nada. You can look it up if you want. You won’t find it ANYWHERE! Because it doesn’t exist. You have called everybody else liars but this is a 100% bald-faced lie. Try to prove it. You will never find a source because none exists. Another piece of fake news/fake science from the anti-vaxxers world. Doesn’t exist. Period…
Doomsey, you’re wrong again! People ARE allowed to sue. But then they lose their option of using the vaccine injury program. Given that most of the complaints are frivolous claims, people would much rather go through the program where they might get a payout as opposed to suing where they will definitely lose!
Doomsday: As I said, ALL credible doctors believe in vaccination. You say that there are 150 doctors who have come out against vaccines. Out of 1.1 MILLION doctors in the US, that would be – hmmm, let’s see – 150/1.1 million=0.014%of doctors – yep, less than 1/50 of 1% of doctors! Wow! Lots of doctors! HaHaHa! You lose this one, Doomsey!!!! As for your comment about doctors losing their license for not vaccinating, I have previously told you that is not true so stop perpetuating that lie. Doctors do not follow orders. Much of what pediatricians do is outside of labeling, because doctors are entitled to Make their own decision about practicing medicine. You just can’t live with the fact that nearly 100% of doctors believe vaccination is the only way to go! Now, they may be afraid to not vaccinate because they know it is VERY, VERY BAD medicine and when kids catch vaccine-preventable diseases, they would be – correctly sued because not vaccinating is unquestionable malpractice. That’s why nearly all pediatricians In our community will not accept anti-vaxxers into their practices – a very sound decision. The fact is, doctors trust the CDC, the AAP, the WHO, the FAAP, the ACIP for very good reason – they are fantastic organizations that do careful, methodical research that everyone trusts – except for you anti-vaxxers – and, oh, yeah, lest I forget – 0.014% of doctors in the US! HaHaHa! What a joke!!! Give it up, Doomsey! You lose!!
Truthishidden: unfortunately, much like doomsday, you don’t know any science and just keep passing along the fake science promulgated by anti-vaxxers. Here’s the REAL story about monkey kidney cells:
You do find monkey kidney cells on the ingredients list of some vaccines, notably the inactivated polio vaccine (Vero cell line), but that certainly isn’t the same as monkey kidney tissue.
The virus or bacteria in a vaccine has to be grown in something. That something is typically a cell culture – cells growing in a culture dish.
The virus or bacteria that you grow – the antigen – is then released from these cells and purified. The original cells from the cell culture aren’t in the final vaccine that a child is given.
So while monkey kidney cells might be on the ingredients list of a vaccine because they were used to make the vaccine, they aren’t actually in the final vaccine product.
Again, false science from the anti-vaxxers.Truthishidden: Formaldehyde is essential in human metabolism and is required for the synthesis of DNA and amino acids (the building blocks of protein). Therefore, all humans have detectable quantities of natural formaldehyde in their circulation (about 2.5 ug of formaldehyde per ml of blood). Assuming an average weight of a 2-month-old of 5 kg and an average blood volume of 85 ml per kg, the total quantity of formaldehyde found in an infant’s circulation would be about 1.1 mg, a value about 1,500 times more than the amount an infant would be exposed to in any individual vaccine.
Doomsday: I will listen to the government and corporations over you any day!! They take the time to do studies that make sense, not the junk you keep barfing up. As mentioned the CDC is one of the most credible scientific organizations in the world and I trust them implicitly. And if it’s any more meaningful to you, the World Health Organization has come out even more strongly about the need to vaccinate. THOSE are organizations we can ALL trust and we do-as do all legitimate health care professionals in the world. If THEY say
It that’s good enough for me and 99% of the world. We really don’t care about your fringe opinions. You lose!Dooms: once again, your attempts to simply discredit the CDC because you can’t stand real science are a waste of time. Most of my post you ignored as you have done with nearly everyone’s posts, instead doing what you do so well-throwing temper tantrums, accusing everyone of lying, etc. And by the way, if you would have done the assignment I gave you to help you learn a little about science, you would understand why CDC wouldn’t do your retrospective study—because scientifically, retrospective studies don’t prove anything. (You can read up about that too-consider it another assignment). We already told you before, it’s avocados and green jelly beans that cause autism because they are much more closely correlated with autism than are vaccines. I’m trying once again to teach you about spurious correlation-except you don’t know what the term means and refuse to get educated. You’d rather throw your childish temper tantrums and call the whole rest of the world liars. You don’t really think anybody cares about what you say, do you? The people who are taking their time patiently responding are just trying to educate you, but apparently to no avail. Hopefully, some other of your cult members will come around given the excellent counter-posts and educational input people have been providing in response to your rants.
Dooms: are you still spouting nonsense? The CDC is the only organization worth listening to with regard to the science of vaccines (and other things too). So those who say there are no studies (meaning of course no studies with any validity) are absolutely correct. You, Dooms, will of course not believe them because it is not consistent with your view of the world, but that’s the way it is – and any credible physician feels that way too. So, Dooms, you’re outnumbered (like 600,000 to 1) and no one will believe you. And the more you call the normal people (whom you have renamed “Provaxxers”) liars, dumb, etc., the more and more idiotic you sound.
Dooms: well, I guess if you continue to refuse to learn any science, as I’ve tried to encourage you to do multiple times – including giving you an assignment to look up some key terms that you don’t understand – then your only recourse is to call everybody else liars – including even the CDC, which is one of the most trusted credible scientific organizations in the world trusted by every physician in the country! Yes, I know that you’ll say you know better than every physician in the country because that’s what your anti-vaxxer cult indoctrinated you with; however, it’s not going to fly because, sorry to say this, the only ones who are going to listen to you are your anti-vaxxer cronies. But, you are actually doing a fantastic service for vaccines since everyone who reads your trash (except of course for the cult) has become even more convinced that vaccines are critical and that there is NO valid argument not to vaccinate so for that I thank you.
Doomsday; Read my lips!!! There are NO studies linking vaccines to autism! None! You can Google all you want but unless a study is valid – which NONE of your 24 are! – they are not studies! Nothing! Meaningless! Stop saying the same mantra over and over again! It’s beginning to sound like a Buddhist chant! and if you want some REAL data look at all the cases of measles that are now occurring in NY! 100% in frum neighborhoods! 100%! The biggest chillul Hashem in decades – all perpetrated by anti-vaxxers. Give up! Get out of our communities!
Doomsday: why do you keep talking to yourself and saying the same things over and over again? Your 24 studies have been debunked over and over by very logical arguments-you just talk and don’t listen! Here’s the story:
“Over the next twelve years [post-Wakefield’s criminal “research”], the possibility of a link between MMR and autism was studied exhaustively. No reputable, relevant study confirmed Wakefield’s findings; instead, many well-designed studies have found no link between MMR and bowel disease or MMR and autism.”
That’s the end of the story.To all: Of course, the reason Dooms keeps calling people liars and keeps barfing up the same nonsense over and over again is because she knows that nothing she is saying has any data or science behind it. This is what she’s been fed by the anti-vaxxers network and, not having the capacity to think on her own, she just keeps spitting the same thing out. I really feel sorry for her. She needs to get a life.
Dooms: since you’re obviously not taking my advice to go get educated a bit in science, let me give you a list of terms that you can look up online and at least become slightly educated in science and research which may lead you to stop posting stuff that has no scientific validity. If you at least know what these mean, you may begin to understand research.
Placebo-controlled
Double blind
Statistically significant
IRB (institutional review board)
Spurious correlation
Study arm
Association vs causality
Results validity
Observational study
Prospective study
Randomization
Ethics board
Peer review
Epidemiology
Methods
Disclosures
That’ll get you started. Once you have a basic understanding of these terms (which your posts to date have shown that you don’t as of now), get back to me and I’ll give you the next list to work on. We’ll get you educated yet! Maybe then you’ll come to your senses.Dooms: Lets put to rest one more of your numerous unscientific ideas explaining once again why you know nothing about science or research. No one will do a vaccinated vs unvaccinated study because it is universally considered to be unethical to NOT vaccinate in this day and age since vaccination has been proven to be safe and saves lives and no study is allowed to be done in situations where a safe effective treatment exists. So, no IRB (do you know what that even is?) would approve such a study to be done. And, someone said that well, just use unvaxx kids for the unvaccinated arm (do you even know what abstudy arm is?). That would violate the scientific principle of blinding in a study (do you even know what that means?) as it would introduce study bias (do you know what that is?). And, although bias potential doesn’t need to be demonstrated as it just violates every principle of scientific research but I’ll tell you how bias would be introduced: when autism occurs in an unvacccinated child, which it will since it occurs in the unvaccinated in exactly the same percentages as in vaccinated (since there is no connection between vaccination and autism), anti-vaxxers would not allow the parents to let the child be examined or to report their observations (and would give death threats to any parent who wanted to take their child for autism treatment. So, it’s not an issue of not wanting to do this study-this study CAN’T be done because it wouldn’t be a valid study and would never be approved since vaccination is now standard of care (do you know what that means?) and no study can violate standard of care. So now that I’ve demonstrated once again that you know nothing about science or research, it’s time for you to give it up and get your kids vaccinated. It would be good anyway for you to spend some time with them as they will likely
Be developing autism since their mother is spending no time with them and they’re getting no stimulation or parenting since she’s too busy writing unscientific nonsense.Hey, Dooms! So you don’t trust CDC or HHS? Do you trust anybody/anything – other than yourself of course? I suspect not. Too bad. It’s already clear that you don’t trust Halacha or our Gedolim since every gadol that has come out publicly has said vaccines are mandatory. Yes, I know that you will say that you have the worlds greatest gadol locked up in a closet telling you not to vaccinate. Are you surprised I don’t believe you? 🙂 🙂 🙂
I’ve come to the conclusion that Dooms is actually a religious missionary. She uses the same tactics of saying the same nonsense over and over and over again in the hopes that somebody will believe it (or more likely trying to convince herself!)! I read her posts because I find them so amusing. As someone who has been involved in science my whole life it’s entertaining to see how facts, data, and statistics can be so badly botched up. I’ve recommended in previous posts that she take a basic science or statistics course but she doesn’t have the time because she spends all her time writing gibberish. I enjoy hearing her try to discredit the Danish study – the study was very well-done and had international experts review it. For some reason, she thinks I’m going to
Listen to her instead of credible knowledgeable scientists. HaHa! Again, she is very entertaining. What is NOT entertaining is seeing the news about the 10 year old unvaccinated boy who got encephalitis in Emanuel and is likely to be brain damaged as a result of this common complication of measles which vaccines prevent. I hope those parents are locked up and their children taken away from them for this abuse. Somehow, these anti-vaxxers seem to think that they have the right to do whatever they want with their children-obviously that is not the case either according to Halacha or secular law. Parents who abuse their children have them taken away. Some states (May there be many more) have convicted non-vaccinating parents for medical neglect in the child welfare system. We all need to write to our congressmen to implore them to strengthen the laws against parents who abuse their children in this way to ensure that all children are vaccinated and do away with religious exemptions (given that anti-vaxxers in our community are lying and calling their position “religious,” when we all know it has nothing to do with religion- what a chillul Hashem !) leaving only PROVEN VERIFIED medical reasons to allow for exemption from vaccination. I would hate to see all these poor abused unvaccinated children suffer by being isolated from peers and home-schooled but at least that would keep them from spreading disease in our community.And, doomsday, I’m glad that you are quoting HHS statistics as being truth. So if you implicitly trust HHS, then you certainly will trust CDC which is part of HHS! HaHa! I GOT YOU!!!
And, doomsday, it has been proven by REAL science beyond a shadow of a doubt that vaccines do not cause autism. Stop hanging on to that FAKE SCIENCE of the discredited, unethical charlatan, MR. WAkefield.
Doomsday: Once again, your post shows a total lack of understanding of science, research, scientific studies. You’re just regurgitating the same nonsense all of the rest of the anti-vaxxers spit out. Many people have responded to your numerous nonsensical quotes and you just keep spouting the same useless nonsense over and over again. It’s not worth responding to. Go take a course in science before you pretend to understand research.
Doomsday, health, kavod habriot: CDC has never published a fake study. Anyone who says so is just a plain idiot. It’s ridiculous how you keep quoting bogus studies, unverified information, and statistically insignificant studies. You clearly know absolutely nothing about how the CDC works, anything at all about science, and you certainly don’t know how pharmaceutical companies operate. This unrealistic fear of companies is totally ludicrous. I suspect that if you were in the hospital dying from meningitis, your family wouldn’t decline having IV antibiotics infused – even though they were discovered and manufactured by pharmaceutical companies. If you had out-of-control diabetes I suspect you would take insulin or other drugs to lower your blood sugar. If you r”l had cancer that was going to kill you I suspect you would take drugs to help with your cancer even though they were discovered and manufactured by pharmaceutical companies. And if your child had r”l leukemia you would let him get medications which can cure his leukemia even though the drugs were developed and manufactured by pharmaceutical companies. So, don’t be two-faced about vaccines. You have a personal vendetta that has nothing to do with data so don’t pretend that you really believe that pharmaceutical companies are criminal – you only believe that when it fits with your agenda. Autism is absolutely not caused by vaccines. Several people have very patiently debunked your “24 studies,” but you don’t listen because that is the nature of members of a cult. And, as I’ve pointed out in a previous post, AVOCADOS CAUSE AUTISM because my research has shown that the increase in autism is directly correlated with an increase in avocado consumption. So, based on your (faulty) pseudo-science, avocados cause autism.
It’s real clear why these anti-vaxxers are so strident and frequent in their comments: the only time that ever happens is when someone is insecure in their beliefs and/or feel guilty about what they’re doing. In the case of the anti-vaxxers, it’s both. If they really believed what they said there would be no reason to be so vocal about it – unless they are closet Missionaries and are building up to a bigger sales pitch.
Guess what?! I just did research and discovered that the increase in autism over the past twenty years is directly correlated with the marked increase in avocado consumption!
Yep, you heard it here first: AVOCADOS CAUSE AUTISM!! 😉Let’s clear up once and for all the terrible misunderstandings and intentional misleading by anti-vaxxers regarding the vaccine injury compensation program. This program was created in the 1980s because the number of frivilous lawsuits and ridiculous awards had grown to the extent that there was great government and public fear that manufacturers would stop manufacturing vaccines entirely and the recognition that vaccine availability was critical to the lives of The US population. The program was created as a NO-FAULT program to evaluate cases and reach a settlement out of court. ***Almost 80% of awards comes as a result of a negotiated settlement in which HHS HAS NOT CONCLUDED based on a review of the evidence that the ALLEGED vaccine caused the ALLEGED injury***. The idea is it saves money to just settle cases rather than spend extended time and money in court. So, all of the data and comments above by the anti-vaxxers regarding this program are useless because it reflects a total misunderstanding of what this program is! However, the comments are consistent with the many half-truths and out-and-out lies promulgated by this dangerous cult. I’d like to believe that all the anti-vaxxers making these posts are just ignorant but I’m afraid that it’s worse than that – they are evil and are intentionally misleading the public for their own gain.
Doomsday: nice try but none of us believe that you passed reading comprehension let alone did well on it because everything you write shows a total lack of understanding of everything in the literature. But, anyone who can accuse the CDC of lying is a fool anyway. Like, we should believe YOU who have no science background and no understanding of research and also have a big ax to grind rather than the CDC who is one of the most credible organizations in the world and have hundreds of international experts on their various review boards. That thought is so laughable! Time for you to pack up your keyboard and go home-the outright lies you are touting aren’t worth even your time.
Syag Lchochma: Beautiful response! Thank you for putting doomsday (and others) out of commission. Although science has 100% debunked the autism connection such that it doesn’t even warrant discussion, you developed a nice discussion to help people in the understanding of spurious correlation vs causality. Thanks. The autism issue is dead except among the anti-vaxxers none of whom understand science.
If anyone is reading this stuff, you’ll notice that 90% of the posts are written by the same handful of people. “Doomsday’s” comments can all just be ignored because they are totally nonsensical. If you’re going to spend your time reading this stuff, just ignore doomsday-that’ll save you about 50% of the time! 🙂
Doomsday: so, I guess that, since MMR contains neither thimerosal nor aluminum, you must be vaccinating with MMR! HaHaHa!!! You’ve also clearly taken the KoolAid if you can call vaccines “poison.” Your many comments are too ridiculous, unscientific, and not based on any data to deserve a response – so, I won’t bother.
Truthishidden: you should have kept your comments hidden! You clearly know absolutely nothing about interpreting studies nor about the concept brought out above about spurious correlation. Before you try to selectively cite individual studies, you need to go and learn some basic science. Because someone published a study does not make it valid nor does it mean the conclusions are correct. There are many, many, many more studies about the benefits of vaccination with many more patients than there are studies describing potential problems (on the order of MILLIONS, or probably even BILLIONS more). Furthermore, you keep talking about the adverse experiences in the pharmaceutical companies’ labeling-how come you don’t trust them at all with regard to the excellent studies that they did before licensing their products but trust them implicitly with respect to side effects? What idiocy! Furthermore do you have any idea how the companies’ Product information works? I’ll answer that; No, you don’t. A company is required by FDA to report EVERYTHING that occurred within a period of time after the product (in this case, vaccine) is used with the CLEAR RECOGNITION that this bears NO RELATIONSHIP to causality. That’s why you’ll find that the number 1 “ side effect” listed for all children’s antibiotics is “upper respiratory infection.” Clearly the medicine didn’t CAUSE the cold but the cold happened while the child was taking the medicine and is required by the excellent system the FDA has in place to be reported by the company. But, then again, anyone who’s ignorant enogh to think that the CDC is falsifying data and would rather believe anecdotal unverified reports is clearly someone who doesn’t deserve to participate in any scientific discussion.