Little Froggie

Hurray!! I didn’t get

edited

So, will the one who approves my posts kindly raise his/ her hand.

Oomis:

Wow, just logged on this thing to shut it off before Shabbos, and read yours.

Without asking any particulars (you’ve spilled out enough), may you and entire family have a refuah shlaima, b’karov. Will ??”? have you in mind.

OK, I’m here again, (with a different s/n, of course), to get a new fresh round. Rebbie, bless me. ????? ?? ???..

Lior: Thank you (if you meant it!, no, even if you didn’t!!)

One of the biggest problems here in the CR is that one cannot view the facial expressions of the one commenting. Cannot know if s/he’s earnest or laying it on…

and Mod(x), I meant it, not only regarding approving posts, I meant the other things (?) too.. (and the one who understands should /would /could understand)

A choson shouldn’t need a Shas. He should know it by heart.

Whew!!!!

Do they really have a record of all my posts, deleted, edited and approved. (Is it really going to be so bad up there? Nothing gets DELETED!!)

Could Mods produce grand totals (all s/n, including try outs) for:

Threads created –

Posts approved –

Posts rejected –

How many nasty ones –

How many respectful ones –

Ones outright silly (or humorous)-

and (oh oh)

Hours I spend here –

Thanks Mods. (I have an extra adding machine somewhere.. You have to plug it in to 99 + 11 volts.)

I don’t understand English. Is anyone talking about me here?

I’ll take the challenge:

Posting X (and Y, etc.) number of times: Mods- you do the math

Starting a thread (and X number of threads): Again, too complicated..

Getting X (and Y) number of responses to a thread. Nah, almost none of mine

Bumping an old thread (and bumping a really old thread): mostly from my oldies

Posting a post of a certain length: Not really, I generally have nothing important so state

Getting a response from Popa to a thread of yours: Could be

Getting a response from a mod in any context: Ohh. Opening old wounds..

Having a post edited: With salt

Having X (and Y) number of posts rejected: Actually SOME MADE IT THROUGH!

Having a post deleted after being initially approved: That too

Having one of your threads closed: Sure

Having one of your threads deleted: Sure

Making an “interpreting a post wrongly” joke: Not sure

Making an in-joke: Have no idea what a joke means

Having your spelling, grammar, or language criticized: Yes

Being trolled: Yes

Being accused of being a troll (and, in olden times, Joseph): Um…(Hello, is the sky blue)

Identifying a troll: NO

Wrongly identifying a troll: NO

Getting a subtitle (without asking for one) Yes, unfortunately

Getting a second subtitle: Yes, unfortunately

Being generally known or recognized for something or other: No, not at all

Getting an all-bold warning: Yes…

Being rendered inactive: And YES

Being blocked and unblocked: YES (and NO!!!)

Proclaiming that you quit the CR: (you put that in just for me, right?)

Coming back after said proclamation: Nope! (I’m not really here, am I?)

Posting under a different name (against the rules, of course): How could I do such a thing? Why would such a zee.. I mean shre.. I mean Golem.. do such thing?

Getting into a serious debate: Yes, rarely

Being accused of apikorsus: No

Getting into a silly debate: Yes

Having your name appear 10 times in a row on the front page: Sometimes

Having your name be half of the names on the main page: Again sometimes. Especially when board.

SL,

(I suppose you were responding to me)

I’m sorry you had such an experience. But know, that’s not the norm. At least not around here.

Read what the Rebbe above wrote. I have the same feelings.

And I wasn’t saying that OTD cannot come from other sources, only that a family which tolerated belittling, derision, scorn towards Rabbonim, Rebbes and Morahs will have ?”? an issue… (btw, it’s not my own words)

And I wasn’t ?”? condoning abuse, or abusive educators. The problem with abusive educators can be even those who abuse verbally, a scar from a verbal attack can be very long in healing too.

Again, (and I’m not going to be drawn and dragged down into debate) plain ???? and Gemarrah do warrant corporeal punishment, no amount of books, sefarim, sermons etc. can distort or falsify the sagacious advice of Shlomo hamelech himself. All later books and advice are NOT the intended words, rather an adaptation towards our generation. And as I’ve written above, today’s system has nothing special to show. Read Rabbi Miller’s approach to chinuch. Again, this is all about an approach for caring, devoted, rational, level-headed mechanchim. Those who act not upon impulse rather upon sound judgment and deliberation. I was not at all referring to the issue of abusive mechanchim.

Again, I really feel bad for your terrible encounter with the system.

OK, so no one noticed.

Mazel Tov and ???? ??? ???, Flatbush Mother, to all your “candles”

Have people acknowledge that you brought a smile to their face.

SL, thank you!!

And yes, some of my children are young. Esp. our new addition ?”? two months ago. But some .. suffice it to say a couple of them are “not young” anymore. (maybe, no definitely, I am)

“The Little I know”,

To start, Shlomo Hamelech in his oft misconstrued, distorted words of true chochma and mussar, says explicitly to train, by use of the punishments where needed. Scratch that – even where NOT NEEDED!! Anyone who had a bit Gemarrah ‘reading’ will have come across ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ???? ????? ??????. And they bring the wise words of Shlomo hamelech, not the ones so often misconstrued, but the saying ???? ??? ??????. And I suspect the Gemarrah is refereing to physical punishment – no one died from an extra scream. And to say Shlomo hamelech used that as a last resort, a last emergency option – well that’s just being foolish and distorting the Gemarah. Gemarrah actually says it’s a FIRST OPTION ??”? ?????. And then again, one can always distort ANYTHING written (oh, it’s the last resort, oh, there’s a new method, a new torah.. that’s from the dark ages…)

You wanna say something about ????? ??????, today’s generation is weaker, cannot live up to the wise counsel of Shlomo hamelech, say it. But don’t misconstrue and falsify his timeless wise words.

And I don’t think there are Yeshivos who “who boast having rebbeiim who will find an excuse to smack up talmidim towards the beginning of the school year to “show who is boss””. Aren’t you laying it on a bit?? Really?!? – smack up …to show who is boss.

And if those that went off were a direct outcome of the system of old, doncha think there shoulda been a whole army of OTDs just STARTING to come to an END now, when we have our grand new methods?!? Hmm, just wondering.

And I don’t really suspect today’s system has anything to brag about. Teaching children to challenge their elders, parents, teachers, Rebbeim etc.? I have a strong feeling that today’s generation of selfish, over indulged, arrogant, egotistical, insolent, brazen and disrespectful youth (and already some adults) is a direct consequence from the “child first” mentality. ?? ???? ??? ??? ????. “Lay your hands off the child”, “reward him” etc. Show him he’s in charge, show him how to disdain his elders, authority etc. What do you expect?

I have no idea what went on in this particular case (for some reason they don’t seem to care for my sagacious advise), but this I do know – to TEACH a child chutzpah, any chutzpah, is to kill him for life! – ?? ???? ??????? A career of destruction.

Could be I wrote about this one time, (true story). There was this famous mechanech (maybe Rosh Yeshiva, Rebbie?) in Eretz Yisroel who a father came literately crying to – his son rebelled, went off etc.

So the Rabbi said “I know. And I’m waiting for you”

“Hu?!?”

Replied he, “You don’t recognize me, I do, however, recognize you. You were once with your son sitting on a bus, when an elderly man got on. Your son respectfully stood you and offered him his seat. You told your son to sit down, he got the seat first, no need to give it away, etc. You sowed the seeds with your own hands – now you’re reaping the fruits.”

Teaching a child disrespect – the worst thing a parent could do.

One more thing if I may, I’ve been around here (this globe, not this site) quite a few years, I’ve noticed that a home where Rabbonim, teachers, Morahs, Rebbeim are held in high esteem and reverence, children of that home are ?”? more or less OK. Homes where the Shabbos table is replete with derision of the above… ?’ ??????. AND I’VE SEEN IT, time and again.

Parents – the future of your children is in your hands. It’s an easy game to blame this one and that. Oh he went OTD because of this Rebbe, that one potch… A lot (not all) boils down to what I wrote.

oh, And blessed be my Rebbi’s hands (and stick) who tenderly, caringly, lovingly guided me on to the right path.

(too ashamed to admit my CR age)

PAA:

Rashi in Chumash ommits the ?????. I don’t know medrash, am not a Talmid nor a Chacham (there’s a reason I don’t join in all the scholarly discussions here…)

OK, A GOOD question.

Here lies the main difference. The reform conservative etc. are not haters of our people, neither of HaShem. And, if I may add, it’s IS possible to get through to them. These characters, however, are ???? ????? ?????, they are ????? ???? ?? ???? therefore they’re ???? ?????. And it’s a mitzvah to hate these as an extension of Ahavas HaShem – we cannot stand a hater of our Best Friend. No, we’re not here to get through to them – we can’t – nobody could – we’re just here to show our utter contempt towards ????? ??? ????. That’s ???? ?? ?????, no answer, because there’s no dealing with them, just for us (and others so they not join).

That’s what David Hamelech wrote, ??? ?????? ?’ ????.. ??????? ??? ??. The same Dovid Hamelech, fiery with love for HaShem and Jewish people, wrote the immortal, inspiring word of Tehillim, laden with feelings of yearning, repentance, joy, awe etc.

Oomis, who cares how many chronological years, how many birthdays (candles) have passed? The main thing is how you make yourself out to be, which is not bad, no, not bad at all!!. Gemarah, in fact, says that ‘old woman’ is determined not by actual age, but by one’s own youthfulness, which I detect is pretty much still vibrant, pulsating through your veins.

OurTorah: While they did point out that you’re civil and impartial while engaging in debate and argument, it should be pointed out that here it’s different.

We’re talking here about a hater of HaShem and His people, as was pointed out here time and again. There is no room for civility – an enemy of my HaShem, of my people, is my enemy too. One of the aspects of ???? ??? is feeling and showing contempt for ????? ???.

Uh oh. Now you gave me a reputation to live up to… Nah… (where’s the <Esc> key?!?)

How’s a wild, untamed, <Edited/Deleted/Zapped> supposed to compare to soft spoken, intellectual, level-headed….

WOW! How in the world did I make it into your radar?! (blush) Thanks.

But anyways, there was a time when I actually did that, well not really getting too personal, but bashing a bit. At least that what some here think. (Luckily under a different s/n so you wouldn’t know!) It was about about HaShem, Torah or Jews or Ikrei Emunah which I don’t take lightly, neither should anyone else.

And believe it or not, I’ve learned that, too, from the ‘bit’ of time I’ve been here. Something about ???? ?? ???? ????. Still learing… progressing… maybe one day…

(pssst what was it?, mod’s aren’t looking now)

I don’t know if he’s sincere… (read all above posts), we’ll give him the benefit of the doubt…

But why would you, Oomis, see a doctor if he was bothered by it??